Best tier 2 links for web 2.0s?

I don't know why people say web 2.0's are spammed. makes no sense to me really.

wordpress is spammed and every top 2.0 but it makes no sense google would not value a quality wordpress blog lol. Blogspot/tumblr/typepad are spammed too so ? no need to make links there ?

conrulez said:

LMAO... 4 days is what I believed he said and what you actually quoted?

I bet it takes him around that. I've done maybe half that work and it's taken me 2-3 days. I don't have his education, but I most definitely have above average writing skills. He does some massive sentence writing though that's for sure. Interchangeable within the very same paragraph is not so simple. It means EVERYTHING has to be completely generic. Easier said than done as it's very natural to write "specific" facts about a subject that would naturally flow from sentence to sentence.

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ive been experimenting with a member on here on variations of EP's spinning method for a while. Like he said about 2 days is right, as soon as you get used to writing sentences that read well in any order the whole process gets quicker every time (to an extent) my first one took me over a week!

the main thing ive found is not to rush it, one weak paragraph can leave a footprint big enough to be caught. Accept its going to take ages and just think about all the content you will have. This type of spinning really separates the men from the boys.

Yeah ...

But there are many easier ways to create 30-40k spintax article and every articl.e is more than 90% unique and they are indexed like anything

shoaibahmad9999 said:

Yeah ...

But there are many easier ways to create 30-40k spintax article and every articl.e is more than 90% unique and they are indexed like anything

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and they are readable? care to share?

shoaibahmad9999 said:

I don't know why people say web 2.0's are spammed. makes no sense to me really.

wordpress is spammed and every top 2.0 but it makes no sense google would not value a quality wordpress blog lol. Blogspot/tumblr/typepad are spammed too so ? no need to make links there ?

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It is ok if a sites is spammed, but i may be bad if you can go to a spammy article, from your article in just 2 clicks. As in example i shown above (elgg platform).

Expertpeon said:

No? Seriously wtf?
Tons of sites are open for posting but are NOT spammed. Why? because there are no out of the box tools for them to post on them successfully! So no, you're 100% wrong. (for instance, every freaking freehost is practical UNSPAMMED)

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I will take a look. Do you have any example/willing to share of a platform that isn't spammed. I think custom scripts aren't hard to do, because platforms are usually easy to automate, and also when you automate one, you have automated all sites, so it pays off. I was able to automate each such platform i have tried even using imacros, it can be done better using crappy tools such as magic submitter.

Also your idea of searching free hosting is rather awesome. I thought about doing the same, but i was in dilemma if itis worth the effort. But i found lots of sites using keyword "free website builder" and i am waiting for Nuaru to update zennoposter, with drag and drop support. Most of such web 2.0 can be automated easily, if they allow blog, but that isn't ideal. Drag/drop requires more work.

But free hosting isn't a platform, thought there may be a platform for that. This is why hostings aren't spammed, because script for this requires custom work, as web 2.0.

Some of best social networking platforms:
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http://www.vivalogo.com/vl-resources/best-community-software-social-network-scripts-platforms.htm

Expertpeon said:

I'm not sure you understand how "hard" doing that would be... at least if it was done right. I'm not sure I agree with you on it generating MORE. You could sell links on it I suppose, I'm not personally interested in that

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Thanks to ZP i think it could be 90% automated, except writing content. Pnly think that could be really hard to do is writing, tier1 ultraspun articles, that need to be different from each other to avoid backlinks profile footprint. But i guess there are some things i haven't thought about. I am not sure if that can be done (safe) on several c-class hosting accounts. If it is much better to use separate (shared) hosting account, then yes , it is insanely boring task.

MrBeastsOnToast said:

ive been experimenting with a member on here on variations of EP's spinning method for a while. Like he said about 2 days is right, as soon as you get used to writing sentences that read well in any order the whole process gets quicker every time (to an extent) my first one took me over a week!

the main thing ive found is not to rush it, one weak paragraph can leave a footprint big enough to be caught. Accept its going to take ages and just think about all the content you will have. This type of spinning really separates the men from the boys.

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Also one sentence that isn't spun well using synonyms in such article can also be a weak point. So i try to write sentences, that are simple, so i can have lost of synonyms.

But i still didn't broke in sentence reorder proof paragraphs. Can you {show us|give us) an example? I am doing some reordering, but i always keep units of 2 sentences together.

moonlighsunligh said:

I will take a look. Do you have any example/willing to share of a platform that isn't spammed. I think custom scripts aren't hard to do, because platforms are usually easy to automate, and also when you automate one, you have automated all sites, so it pays off. I was able to automate each such platform i have tried even using imacros, it can be done better using crappy tools such as magic submitter.

Also your idea of searching free hosting is rather awesome. I thought about doing the same, but i was in dilemma if itis worth the effort. But i found lots of sites using keyword "free website builder" and i am waiting for Nuaru to update zennoposter, with drag and drop support. Most of such web 2.0 can be automated easily, if they allow blog, but that isn't ideal. Drag/drop requires more work.

But free hosting isn't a platform, thought there may be a platform for that. This is why hostings aren't spammed, because script for this requires custom work, as web 2.0.

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You seem to be a bit too obsessed with the possibility of something being spammed. However, I will continue to use all platforms where a simple addition of say, recaptcha, totally botches every bot there is (elgg for instance).
I love having articles on sites with PR4 and literally 30 total articles on the entire domain (for free of course).

Whether you buy links, do guestposts, etc you will ALWAYS be faced with sharing the space with the coach purse and cialis crowd. I don't think google cares.
I have around 75 or so web 2.0s automated that appear to be completely unspammed (custom platforms). Just because it COULD be automated, doesn't mean it will be.

Expertpeon said:

You seem to be a bit too obsessed with the possibility of something being spammed. However, I will continue to use all platforms where a simple addition of say, recaptcha, totally botches every bot there is (elgg for instance).
I love having articles on sites with PR4 and literally 30 total articles on the entire domain (for free of course).

Whether you buy links, do guestposts, etc you will ALWAYS be faced with sharing the space with the coach purse and cialis crowd. I don't think google cares.
I have around 75 or so web 2.0s automated that appear to be completely unspammed (custom platforms). Just because it COULD be automated, doesn't mean it will be.

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So the idea is to choose just high pr sites?
I worry because i am yet to find a single site, which has (for example) Elgg links, that is actually getting traffic from search engines (I check that using semrush). Not just now after penguin, even before the penguin the situation was the same. But for sure there are other factors.

ExpertPeon do you have a personal blog?

Would follow >_<

moonlighsunligh said:

So the idea is to choose just high pr sites?
I worry because i am yet to find a single site, which has (for example) Elgg links, that is actually getting traffic from search engines (I check that using semrush). Not just now after penguin, even before the penguin the situation was the same. But for sure there are other factors.

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Once again... who... cares?
Tons of blog networks never get traffic either.

Expertpeon said:

Once again... who... cares?
Tons of blog networks never get traffic either.

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I didn't explained it well enough. I do not care if Elgg site is getting traffic or not.
Problem is that sites, that have backlinks from these Elgg sites, don't get any traffic from search engines.

moonlighsunligh said:

I didn't explained it well enough. I do not care if Elgg site is getting traffic or not.
Problem is that sites, that have backlinks from these Elgg sites, don't get any traffic from search engines.

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The same could be said about a ton of sites
Pretty much anyone using ultimate demon, etc doesn't know anything about SEO. I doubt most sites linked to from wordpress.com, blogspot.com etc get traffic either, but if you know what you're doing, you can still make them into something great.

People seem to think that "turn on SEnuke, blast some crap from Article builder" is the way to rank... so it doesn't surprise me at all they don't wind up succeeding.
Hell, from what I can tell, people don't even seem to realize that Jcow sites are all nofollow and that a crapload of other platforms are as well.... they just keep right on using their bogus tools thinking they're submitting 500+ web 2.0s.

moonlighsunligh said:

I didn't explained it well enough. I do not care if Elgg site is getting traffic or not.
Problem is that sites, that have backlinks from these Elgg sites, don't get any traffic from search engines.

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Are you trying to say that the pages on these Elgg sites (thus the ones that will have your backlinks on them) do not get indexed because the search engines don't visit them?

That's about the only thing I can see you're saying....You can over come that with a service like lindexed (usually) or by publishing links on blogspot blogs, etc...do searches for indexing and you'll find solutions...

If that is not what you're saying, if in fact you are implying that sites that are making links on those sites aren't getting any traffic so therefore those links don't work, well there are WAY too many other factors to come to that conclusion.

Moral of the story is GET THE LINKS and GET THEM INDEXED.

Good luck,
Con

conrulez said:

Are you trying to say that the pages on these Elgg sites (thus the ones that will have your backlinks on them) do not get indexed because the search engines don't visit them?

That's about the only thing I can see you're saying....You can over come that with a service like lindexed (usually) or by publishing links on blogspot blogs, etc...do searches for indexing and you'll find solutions...

If that is not what you're saying, if in fact you are implying that sites that are making links on those sites aren't getting any traffic so therefore those links don't work, well there are WAY too many other factors to come to that conclusion.

Moral of the story is GET THE LINKS and GET THEM INDEXED.

Good luck,
Con

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When you build pyramids of the size I usually do, it's almost laughable to worry about getting stuff "indexed"... Hell, just the 2nd tier of web 2.0s alone (with nothing else at all going on) is enough to index the entire tier 1. Let alone once you toss in 3 million SB comments, pliggs, comments to wikis, wikis, blog network links to tier 2 by the thousands etc.

Expertpeon said:

Hell, from what I can tell, people don't even seem to realize that Jcow sites are all nofollow and that a crapload of other platforms are as well.... they just keep right on using their bogus tools thinking they're submitting 500+ web 2.0s.

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Yeah i remember a thread, in which more than one person claimed UD submits to more than 500 web 2.0 sites. Are you sure nofollow links such as wiki-links do not pass link juice at all? I am gonna test it anyway, at least to find out do they help ranking in yahoo/bing.

moonlighsunligh said:

Yeah i remember a thread, in which more than one person claimed UD submits to more than 500 web 2.0 sites. Are you sure nofollow links such as wiki-links do not pass link juice at all? I am gonna test it anyway, at least to find out do they help ranking in yahoo/bing.

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Bing/yahoo are a different beast, you have to do different things to get MSNbot to crawl your stuff.
Massive amounts of nofollow links appear to pass some juice, I've tested this several times... usually need at least 30-40k of them.

I have cleaned ********/nofollow lists for every platform at this point... almost anyway.

Expertpeon said:

Massive amounts of nofollow links appear to pass some juice, I've tested this several times... usually need at least 30-40k of them.

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On both yahoo and google?

moonlighsunligh said:

On both yahoo and google?

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Bing/yahoo do not index blog comments 99% of the time...
They're quite a bit smarter than google with their crawler these days.

Expertpeon said:

My structures go:
200 different web 2.0 domains (5 different accounts per domain) for tier 1
25 different web 2.0 domains (50 different accounts per domain) for tier 2 in a wheel with each other as well
5000 or so spun blog network posts for tier 3 + a few thousand wikis for tier 3
2-3 million SB comments for tier 4 (only pointing to wikis and some point to tier 2 as well, but only a small amount)

The sad part is, the above structure may not be enough to rank medium competition terms #1-2 anymore. I'm not having a tremendous amount of success with ONLY the above (have to go over with extremely, extremely valuable links to push it the rest of the way).

Google is 100% random post penguin... and makes no sense.

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Expertpeon hi, kind of old thread but still very informative post!
Can you tell what kind of KW you use for tier2/tier3/tier4
I am thinking going 50% KW related(blue widgets | best blue widgets | cheap widgets.....etc) and 50% generic(here, info, more info...) Sounds right?