Banned By Paypal?

I experienced this horror show 6-7 years ago. It bothers me that people still want to use PayPal. It's almost unavoidable when doing sales of service.

Many people have different strategies in how to contact higher ups on PayPal to get through to them and get your money back quicker, so there may be a chance.

Regardless, PayPal thinks it's inevitable as a service but will meet its demise the way Yahoo got shifted off from Google unless they have a overhaul in management.
 
you may want to pick up the phone and talk to Paypal support to explain your circumstances and how you plan to run a business

um, no. I don't have to explain myself to anyone on how I plan to do business, just like Paypal doesn't explain to us how THEY do business. If they did, they\d make this apparently important information visible on their homepage and - for double good measure - as an unblockable popup when you log into your account - so that everyone can see and know what they're supposed to do. Paypal, just like any other rich and popular company, does whatever they want, without being held accountable.

If they cared about their customers so much they would be the ones to pick up the phone and call you to inquire about your business, not us. If they do that and I'm just speaking my frustrations out I apologize. But I never saw them doing this. They downright block your funds (your life might depend on your money, so won't give a shit) and if they decide that your money is not yours they keep it.
 
Sorry to hear they shafted you @MisterF
Whenever I know I'm getting a payment via PayPal, I'm already logged into the dashboard to get that money out pronto. Having said that, if the bandits do an automatic ban then you're up the creek.

I'm always wary that it's going to happen, and it's a huge worry it does happen to reputable sellers.
 
Paypal is simply terrible, it seems they truly don't care about their customers.
It is really important to withdraw daily on there, you can get locked at any time. I have a friend who's had their funds completely disappear as well. I wish more people used cryptocurrency for payments, but with this would make it easier for scammers to get away with it..
 
HI there everyone.

For reference, I do not work for Paypal now, but did work for them a short while. I am not handing you top secret information here either, but a general dose of common sense.

Paypal like any company, is trying to minimize 'fraudulent' transactions. Let that sink in for one moment. They do not keep tabs on what you sell or who you sell to. What happens is that they will periodically check you are a legitimate person and request your identification like Passport, which they have done recently to myself as well. That is one way to check who you are. Other ways they do actually keep tabs on fraudulent activities are through how much money you obtain in any 30 day period. If like most people, you happily go along with a normal Paypal account and all of a sudden decide to be an affiliate and make tons of money or expect a fair amount to go through your account in the days that follow, you may want to pick up the phone and talk to Paypal support to explain your circumstances and how you plan to run a business. That right there is common sense. Alert them to what will happen and they will keep an eye on your account, and may even still require authentication on your part if they feel something is not right. There are countries that are considered higher risk than others, so think like a business whose primary concern is the safety of their customers and transactions. They only want to ensure everything is fair.

Paypal, will also suspend accounts linked to eBay if you sell items, and not adhere to their terms of service in relation to refunds or items you sell, example: Items as not described where the person opens a dispute. After a few disputes, you will get into trouble.

This is all common sense and tons of high-end companies that even host contests these days, will sometimes say in their terms and conditions that they do not deal with some countries, due to the influx of fraudulent activities that take place.

Heck, when I worked for another game company (actual game, not gambling) as tech support, they had a round number of $5000 which would trigger account suspension and investigation. So, at what point do you think a company like Paypal may not have the same thing in place? Think about that.

People need to think about what they do and not just assume it is their right to have their money. People try dodgy things all the time, so companies like Paypal will look after themselves and their customer base first and foremost.

You wonder why I quit Paypal... company was great... I just do not have a head for complicated search systems to obtain information. It is the one thing that has me quitting a company faster than anything else. If the UI and system is not designed for ease of use, then I walk. I hate having to muddle my way through systems just to find out how to help a customer within the allotted time frame they offered. :) I think over the years, Google has somewhat spoiled me with its beautiful search. In that way I love Google so much, and get really disappointed when I work for a company who do not tag customer support articles properly with keywords. It slows down the workplace, people get frustrated as they can't find the right solutions and then customers get angry when you ask them to 'hold the line' for at least 7 minutes or more, looking for this information. My ultimate goal one day, is to create a super friendly user system a company can use. Which is why I ended up doing a foundation degree in graphic design, digital design (UX/UI) and advertising. Now I am doing my Honours degree at University. Either way, just know I am motivated to make a change, and absolutely dislike badly designed information portals.

I... Don't think you read this post. If you in any way think what PayPal does is fair, you're delusional.

What you said seems fair but when you have no human mediation when deciding someone's livelihood, and not giving them a chance to plead their case, then I'd say it's criminal.

How do you just bar off someone's money under assumptions your algorithm made without alerting the system for human mediation to truly understand perspective and conduct proper analysis.

Imagine someone who literally depends on that money for rent, for medical expenses or something life changing, being barred from their hard earned money with no chance to appeal. Fuck that.
 
Be the change you want to see. BHW has enough angry people with enough bots, social accounts, and proxies to change public opinion and demand PayPal is treated as a bank with all the regulations that come with it. You guy's have the power at your fingertips, all you need is someone to mobilize and strategize it.
 
Be the change you want to see. BHW has enough angry people with enough bots, social accounts, and proxies to change public opinion and demand PayPal is treated as a bank with all the regulations that come with it. You guy's have the power at your fingertips, all you need is someone to mobilize and strategize it.


Anyone in the UK unhappy with them can go to the Financial Ombudsman.

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/faqs/all/can-complain-paypal
These people do wield power too.
11 Years back my Skrill got hacked and emptied, Skrill said it was not their issue and refused to refund me the £7k in there.
I took my case to the Ombudsman, who decided in my favour.
Skrill repaid me in full and said sorry.
 
I... Don't think you read this post. If you in any way think what PayPal does is fair, you're delusional.

What you said seems fair but when you have no human mediation when deciding someone's livelihood, and not giving them a chance to plead their case, then I'd say it's criminal.

How do you just bar off someone's money under assumptions your algorithm made without alerting the system for human mediation to truly understand perspective and conduct proper analysis.

Imagine someone who literally depends on that money for rent, for medical expenses or something life changing, being barred from their hard earned money with no chance to appeal. Fuck that.

I understand where you come from in terms of money being unlawfully held. However, any company dealing with finances have more to lose in the long run, if they do not follow due diligence if they suspect something fraudulent is going on. It is unfair to the individual, but they have these rules in place for a reason. A lot of people scam other people and use Paypal to do so. Thus, if they suspect something is going on, they will investigate. It could be as simple as you spending more money than normal, which is what happened to me as of recently. They asked for my passport details and then restored my account within 24 hours. I was pretty lucky. The other thing you have to watch for is people who unrightfully may report you, if they feel you are a threat to their livelihood or way of making money. Online, people do take note of affiliates and people who do well. Even on Amazon there is a trend where indie authors deliberately hire and target other books competing with theirs and try and get the books banned. I am part of author groups and seen the woes and anger of people who had this happen to. In this day and age, it is a dog eat dog world and people will do a lot to harm others. Just be careful really.
 
Anyone in the UK unhappy with them can go to the Financial Ombudsman.

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/faqs/all/can-complain-paypal
These people do wield power too.
11 Years back my Skrill got hacked and emptied, Skrill said it was not their issue and refused to refund me the £7k in there.
I took my case to the Ombudsman, who decided in my favour.
Skrill repaid me in full and said sorry.
You guy;s got a great system of consumer protections in the UK. I wish it was the same here. :(
 
Paypal is gay and its confirmed now , they locket mine to but they released after 180
 
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Payoneer.


Crypto is another option but it's up and down like a whores drawers at the moment, so what you think you're getting for $500 could be worth $750 or $250 overnight.
Stripe is even worse
 
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I understand where you come from in terms of money being unlawfully held. However, any company dealing with finances have more to lose in the long run, if they do not follow due diligence if they suspect something fraudulent is going on. It is unfair to the individual, but they have these rules in place for a reason. A lot of people scam other people and use Paypal to do so. Thus, if they suspect something is going on, they will investigate. It could be as simple as you spending more money than normal, which is what happened to me as of recently. They asked for my passport details and then restored my account within 24 hours. I was pretty lucky. The other thing you have to watch for is people who unrightfully may report you, if they feel you are a threat to their livelihood or way of making money. Online, people do take note of affiliates and people who do well. Even on Amazon there is a trend where indie authors deliberately hire and target other books competing with theirs and try and get the books banned. I am part of author groups and seen the woes and anger of people who had this happen to. In this day and age, it is a dog eat dog world and people will do a lot to harm others. Just be careful really.

Right, and I addressed the fairness in that. I do think some people are naive when they say PayPal has no business asking for your business conduct, because they really do. They are responsible for any misconduct on their platform.

But you missed my point. There are many cases where you are given a judgement with no chance of appeal or trial without taking it to an authoritative figure beyond PayPal. This is all due to their dependency on an algorithm to be the judge, jury and verdict.

As I said, PayPal should have the decency for human mediation based on alerts rather than shunning you and your money with a vague justification.

I've seen people kill themselves or go homeless over situations in life where they couldn't support themselves. In a world where money can be the make or break for survival, a company having no or not enough human touch in the process for deciding whether you can put food on the table is malicious and cheap especially for those that depend on it.
 
You guy;s got a great system of consumer protections in the UK. I wish it was the same here. :(
The UK has rules for almost everything, and well, there again, people feel safer knowing the law has their back to some degree. A few years ago, someone took a card that was meant for me and purchased illegal goods. First time that happened to me in my life, but lucky for me I already had a feeling who the culprit was as she lived next door to me. Prior to this I received a call from a company that said, my finance application for clothes was denied. I did a double take and was like 'What!' Now imagine me...someone who barely buys clothes once every 2-3 years being told this. Thus, I queried the person and they dropped my neighbour's name, asking if that name means something to me. I was mortified and said, 'Yes! She is my neighbour!' at which point the poor customer service agent declined to further comment on the matter. Not long after I moved from that place. After I moved, and about a few weeks into my residency in my new place, I received a letter to my email address and at first I thought I was hallucinating. But it threatened me with suing, courts, etc. If I don't reply and pay back the money. I called up, and found out that someone took the new card which the retail store sent to my old residence, and someone used it. Here is the interesting thing... 'they activated the card and signed for it.' Their worst mistake ever, which at this point, I highly suspected it was my neighbour. I went back to the old residence, knocked on her door, and quite firmly told her, that someone in her household used the card to spend money, and didn't care if her mother, brother and friends heard it. They were all there. She mumbled that she had no idea about anything, and I just smirked as I left her standing in the dust.

You want to know how it ended? After me supplying proof of me moving, who I am, my picture, passport, identity, signature etc. They ensured I was promptly supplied with a new card and removed the unlawful charges. One, the company did wrong, as she could sign for things (which should have never gone through in the first place), however, she didn't know my signature. In that they did not check the signature, so imagine how quickly they wanted this out of the way. In the end, the law prevailed and some good investigative techniques, and she disappeared off social media- possibly jailed. I also happened to supply them with what she looked like, so they could thoroughly reference her face to the day in question as they had cameras in store as I was told. So, if you think the UK is good in catching criminals... yes, they are damn good in catching criminals. :)
 
Offering SEO or IM services and suddenly wake up to find an email from Paypal advising you that you are no longer allowed an account and they're holding your funds for 180 days and you have no idea why?

It's happened to a few SEO guys I know this past 12 months, myself included. I think too that @Stan Fox might have been caught out by them too?
In my case it was an email notifying me they had closed my fully verified business account and locked £30k+ away for 180 days. They also locked and closed my 2004 personal account and locked my funds in there away too.

Seems these bans are not related to what you are selling, more often it's related to WHO you are selling to. Seems to deal with clients who are selling SMM services which PP considers illegal, which means that they consider you to be breaching their T&Cs too.

So basically, you are responsible for your client's activities... So be careful... If you deal with a lot of peoples over Paypal... This thing could also happen to you... Even if you have no idea what your payers are doing.

Where does this stupidity end? You have a client who sells firearms, someone buys a gun and shoots someone... PP going to blame you too?

Their lack of transparency matches their arrogance = fucking overwhelming. They have still to give me a valid reason why they closed the account. They have yet to release any funds back to me, looks like it'll all come on the 181st day.

They almost screwed up our event business years back when they locked the account with £120k in there, preventing us from paying the hotel and conference centre etc. I hated them ever since for doing that, thus we only went with them again because market research showed buyers like using their platform.


If you are using these cowboys, remove your balance daily and don't be stunned if they fuck you over too without good reason or warning.
In my case I experienced the same situation but it was not with 30K or 100K or anything like that. It was only 1K that they withheld and not only did they withhold it for 180 days, they withheld it for almost 2 years.

What I had to do?, find a lawyer in the USA (I don't live in that country) and the lawyer (friend of a friend) started writing to PP and threatening them with lawsuits and stuff like that, and that was the only way to achieve that they stopped making fun of me and gave me my money back.

PP is a shit in all the extension of its name.
 
I was on the same boat before. They locked my merchant/business account and my funds for 180 days. I had over 5k with them on that account but I managed to get it after 180 days. As much as I wanted to not use their sh*tty service, I am left with little options as majority of my clients uses paypal.
 
PayPal is a death trap. Use payoneer or crypto instead.
 
Thats why I love to withdraw everything from my PP account is a nonsense to keep money there

Stripe is a solid alternative
 
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