Autoblogs - Why so much BS about them?

DUP CONTENT IS A MYTH my god, how many time sdoes it have to be said, the last search engine convention they had google admitted that while it has a small effect the internet is built on duplicate content, and regardless duplicate content counts just as non-duplicate content counts, their isnt a secret sauce.

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/demystifying-duplicate-content-penalty.html

basically as long as you don't look like your just pumping crap out (those idiotically spammy auto blogs some of you hav ebeen pumping out,) then you should be fine, the duplicate content is basically filtered on googles manual review team when they evaluate if your site is just a block of spam or a decent source for it's google users.

As for 14k out of 25k posts in google, i hate to say this but dont expect to get 100% in google, googles a bi*ch even for whitehats 100% legit sites, i have a personal whitehat blog custom written by me over 3 years and 80% of my posts are in google 20% are just never showing up and i know thye have backlinks. God forbid we talk about the counted backlinks google reports vs msn and yahoo, i mean i have sites that say 500 on google and say 14000 on yahoo/msn lol

if your autoblogging chances are youll get a few sites deindexed, but hey, thats partof the game the trick is to work the ones that stick and keep improving them.

I'd love to hear though about how the heck we're supposed to keyword target autoblogs as i've wanted to do this as well in the past but cant find a reliable way to do it.
 
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cooooookies said:
How many visitors you get does not depend on how nice the blog looks like. It matters for monetization.

So I would suggest that you first try to promote your blogs. If you see that the visitors are coming, you can change the layout and make the ads more tempting to click.
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nicely said, he seems to be lacking any promotion or backlink building, i mean 25 blogs at 100 IMP a day is pretty horrible, i mean i can throw up a crap autoblog in about an hour and have that by day 2 without doing well... anything

unless he chose like the most impossible ever of niches.
 
Here is a post I made shortly after I joined BHW.....its has some of my experiences and may answer a few questions (or bring up more).
I couldn't really find a good thread to post this on....hope it helps.

Here is one of the blogs I set up as a feeder blog. It has been deindexed by Google but still gets about 15 visitors a day. It makes a few dollars a month.

h++P://VVV.thedailyblog.info

Here you can see how we use different plugins to help enhance the blog.

Take a look at the blog roll if you scroll through a few post you'll notice that it changes. The cool part about this is that when the spiders hit one of the posts it's going to spider a different set of links each time.

If you want to get a page indexed quickly add it to a blog that gets spidered on a regular basis. This blog gets about 175 spider visits a day. Others I have get up to 500 spider visits a day.

you can see the Deal of the Day on here....I'm also using max baner ads pro...the free versions works just fine.

I've tested that adsense placement and today that the spot I get the best conversion.

Now...some things wrong with this blog

-- too many links on the blog roll
-- dont really need the similar posts on the bottom
-- if you look at the categories...there are too many
-- I seem to have better luck limiting the number of post on the from page to one on a general feed blog and 4 or 5 on a niche blog.


One last note on this blog...well two

The first...for those of you wondering what Unique Article Wizard content looks like...thats all this blog is.

Second...since google doesn't want to index any pages I'm going to hide it for a couple months from google to see if we can start getting it indexed again.

why did your site get deinexed?

The two things i narrowed it down to....too many links in to short a time period for a new site and (i think on this one) too many outbound links on a single page. This blog was set up to test 3WL, neurolinker and traffic kahuna...its my thought the link exchange programs each of these offered played a part in the deindexing...since I stopped using them no other blogs have been deindexed

So what's the conclusion ? was it a failure or success.. 15 visitors a day is damn less....

It was neither....these were just a few blogs of many. This is the process we use to test different techniques for building backlinks and traffic. What we learned was be patient on the linkbuilding in the beginning and what ever benefit of using programs like 3WL and neurolinker need to be weighed against the risk.

what do you do for traffic?

In addition to having content autoposted into our blogs we submit our own content and then promoted that content using a variety of methods..SE-Nuke, Traffic kahuna and a variation to article marketing. It's not cheap but it effective.

You say you get 150 spider visits a day?

Are any of the from googlebot, in my experience once a domain has been de-indexed googlebot doesn't visit (except if G think it has been used as a paid link farm, in which case they may treat it as a honeypot)

Remember I have not done anything to this blog for a while. In the past 24 hours it's been spidered 122 times

16 were from the google bot
a few from msn
but the majority from yahoo

When the bots spider a page on that site it will also spider the links on that site...I have a couple of money sites that get spidered on a regular basis because of this. These are the sites that make income. Feeder blogs are just that...feeders

I don't see anything wrong with your blog except the exceptional long list of links. You might be suspected to be involved in link farm, and you really got a long list of plugin.

It was not the blog itself that was the issue...it was how it was promoted.
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As for 14k out of 25k posts in google, i hate to say this but dont expect to get 100% in google, googles a bi*ch
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That was sarcasm......If I'm scraping content or using any of the content services out there I'm happy with 50%, In a years time I can 40k-50k indexed without much effort...

DUP CONTENT IS A MYTH my god, how many time sdoes it have to be said, the last search engine convention they had google admitted that while it has a small effect the internet is built on duplicate content, and regardless duplicate content counts just as non-duplicate content counts, their isnt a secret sauce.
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This statement is just plan wrong....I have plenty of testing to back it up. But if you disagree feel free to continue to use it...makes my life easier.

j
 
*sigh*

Hi, welcome to the internet... Trust me.. auto-blogging and cookie stuffing was no where near new when it started being hyped up.

First, let me explain why internet marketing ideas and great methods die in a nutshell.

Man 1: Thinks of a brilliant idea
Man 2: Sees Man 1 making a ton of money off this idea and begs him for help
Man 1: Well ok.. as long as ONLY YOU know it.. don't tell anyone else. Then man 1 tells Man 2 all about his method
Man 2: Instead of using it for his own benefit, sells it on forums and what not and a few months down the road, the method slowly dies out for the average.

Not what I mean by the "average" are the people who do ideas exactly as their told and never implement a strategy with them. These are people who do ideas exactly by the book and when that method dies, they lose hope and call it a dead method. While the expert gamers know their way around and they think of alternatives to the method and think of strategies for the method.

People are idiots.. plain and simple. Do you want to know why most people would never share a great valuable method? Some dipshit will package it up and sell it to the masses of idiots and half of them will do the same thing, and half of them will try to implement it.

If a method was as easy as 1-2-3, every one would be doing it, and every one would be rich.. plain and simple. IM is fucking hard.. specially getting started and some people are not meant for it. Any one can do it, but some people just are meant to pursue it.

As for some people saying "this method doesn't work".. blah blah blah.. You can make ANY method work.. I repeat.. ANY method..
 
well said, hell it goes along with the fact that something along the lines of 80% of ebooks that are bought go unread, but the masses still buy them because they want to believe they'll eventually read it and get rich. but they end up not reading it, let alone implementing whats inside.
 
:) Interesting post, jvmarket.

The first post and your subsequent posts in this thread are both thought provoking and revealing.

The 3 important aspects of traffic generation, quality content generation/creation, and traffic conversion were pointed out for autoblogs.

Most importantly, you've actually put in place a systematic approach to develop back links and generate traffic for your blogs and that's actually a great approach.

For folks just trying out autoblogs, it is NOT an equation where:
Autoblog = Auto-income (at least not right away :p)

Unless, you are a whiz at keyword research, seo (especially for long tail keywords), there's definitely room for you to work on getting traffic for your autoblog and testing things out to improve conversions (probably in this order).

There may be BH ways to apply to your autoblog to generate traffic but perhaps it is best to understand and be able to successfully apply WH SEO and traffic generation before you wandering into the BH side of things?

Regardless, as long as your end point is to generate income, then autoblog or manual blog (is there such a thing any more? do people actually do daily posts manually :p), you simply need to tweak each one until something works and then improve upon that.

The cold, hard truth and practical and useful tips in this thread are appreciated :)

Cheerio :)


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Coreygeer.... I have to agree. Let me add to the madness. I could take 10 people and show them exactly how we make money with autoblogs, (and when I'm done with the guide that's what everyone will have) some of them will not make money...why?

Because they are smarter than I am...that's right, because they think they know more I do (even though we spend half our time testing) they will change one thing. That one thing will cause them to fail.

Am I saying the ours is the only way to make money...absolutely not, I'm sure there are some making a lot more money than we are. What I'm saying is that if you do exactly what we do you can make money. Once you are making money...try different things (test & track) improve on the techniques. As the internet changes be proactive and beat others to the changes.

Autobloging and article marketing have been around for a long time...The amount of traffic we get from article marketing would amaze you. The thing to know is that every few months the game changes...sometime slightly other times violently (some call this the google slap) I call it an opportunity. Usually gives me a 2 or 3 month head start on everyone else.

When I get this damn guide completed you'll have the tools you need to create a money making blog. All you have to do is stay in tune with the changes in IM and adjust your blogs accordingly.

I'm going to pick on a fellow BHWer....in his thread he asked for feedback. I'm just doing it here instead of there.

Code: 
www.autismchildrennow.info

Take a look at that blog...look at what they are advertising....Deal of the Day (is that something that fits this niche) Look at the Amazon ads....

The adsense ads are a distraction to the site....not a complement. If he does not change the layout substantially this blog will make much money.

Just because we have all the tools and the instructions how to do it doesn't mean we'll do it right.

Something to think about
 
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thanks for the kind words Gifmore

j
 
the power of ablogs IS in the fact that you CAN make one in 10mins or less, and i am talking about a REALLY good looking one.

I personally never said that you get "rich" with one blog..the power is that you can make LOTS, i a talking about 500 or 1000 is actually realistic if you have good tools (wpmanagerdx) things like that.

Now...if one blog only makes $1 day in adsense...and you make 500 (which is VERY doable)..spread across multiple IPs maybe...its frickin $500 A DAY which is FIVTEEN THOUSAND a month.
Even with less, say a blogfarm of 100 blogs would make you 3 Grand/month...and once they are up and running and pulling content you can basically sit on your ass 24/7 and dont need to do anything. Just cash in from adsense of cbproads or whatever.
 
cchance said:
nicely said, he seems to be lacking any promotion or backlink building, i mean 25 blogs at 100 IMP a day is pretty horrible, i mean i can throw up a crap autoblog in about an hour and have that by day 2 without doing well... anything

unless he chose like the most impossible ever of niches.
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I've done a fair ammount of promotion actually. Lots of social bookmarking, directory submission, comment spamming, etc. I think I'm just unlucky? My niches are health, fitness, gaming, sports, movies, pretty general stuff. I think thats my problem. Seems like its all about the niche. I think Im just gonna retire from blackhat, I suck at it haha.
 
hyperlite said:
I've done a fair ammount of promotion actually. Lots of social bookmarking, directory submission, comment spamming, etc. I think I'm just unlucky? My niches are health, fitness, gaming, sports, movies, pretty general stuff. I think thats my problem. Seems like its all about the niche. I think Im just gonna retire from blackhat, I suck at it haha.
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yea problem is finding those niches.... seems like almost everything is done
 
hyperlite said:
I've done a fair ammount of promotion actually. Lots of social bookmarking, directory submission, comment spamming, etc. I think I'm just unlucky? My niches are health, fitness, gaming, sports, movies, pretty general stuff. I think thats my problem. Seems like its all about the niche. I think Im just gonna retire from blackhat, I suck at it haha.
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You give up ? go for long term then.. You build your link.
Lots of social bookmarking, directory submission, comment spamming
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the bad news is that for backlink only , You can outsource them...

try social networking and spend time with others You will get traffic.
Like digg,twitter,stumble
 
zSpyderx said:
Do note most of the people on this board that aren't making money are the people that jump from popular method to popular method. Popular method being the next big thing as some of you call it. Its the people that stick with one till they master it and then work on a second one and build accordingly into multiple streams of income. This is something I think many of you will understand if you think about it.


Cheers
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Very well said, I can't wait to hear more about your guide, it seems like you know what your talking about. :)
 
Hi, if I have 50 blogs, how do I promote all of them in the same time?
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how much time do you have to spend on them? Do you have anybody who can do the work for you? how much money are you will to spend on promoting them.

We use a number of programs as well using VAs to promote all of our sites not just our blogs.

The techniques you use depend on the answers to the above questions.

j
 
jimmychuang said:
Hi, if I have 50 blogs, how do I promote all of them in the same time?
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Easy put them in PR storm run it
Guarantee traffic and backlinks ^^


see this thread :

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo-tools/9494-prstorm-works.html

Go thanks or reputate henry havoc for his contribution

Banned ? nope. i run till now and nope are banned

Instead one banned without running PRstorm becoz of Submitting link injection^^
 
If you can handle scraping urls and working with proxies I say have at PR Storm. I think I'd run it on a few test blogs before I trusted all my blogs to the process.

Also make sure you the the entire thread about PR Storm.

I dont personally use it but that doesn't mean it wont work.

I've also had a couple request for my list of plugins...I'll post them this evening if I have a bit of free time.

j
 
jvmarket said:
I'm going to pick on a fellow BHWer....in his thread he asked for feedback. I'm just doing it here instead of there.

Code: 
www.autismchildrennow.info

Take a look at that blog...look at what they are advertising....Deal of the Day (is that something that fits this niche) Look at the Amazon ads....

The adsense ads are a distraction to the site....not a complement. If he does not change the layout substantially this blog will make much money.

Just because we have all the tools and the instructions how to do it doesn't mean we'll do it right.

Something to think about
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LMFAO i didnt see that post about the autism site, wtf i hate to pick on other webmasters, because i know i myself have my faults but hes advertising a deal a day and amazon MUSIC on a blog about autistic children????

how about some decent links to books on amazon and clickbank for helping autistic children and coping with autism etc... also i think if he had switched to a wider theme and put the adsense next to the video he would have been better off.
 
Well said jv. In my opinion, to be successful in blogin you must be good at some basic things. I made a list of those things and I am studying them one by one. Here is the list

1)Niche and Keyword research
2)Building (On page SEO, Plugins, Content, Design)
3)Monetize (Adsense (PPC), intext ads (Kontera, Vibrant), CPA, CS, Opt in email list, Reviews, PayPal Donation, PPP and so on....
4)Traffic
5) Testing and testing again

A lot of people focus in just build autoblogs and they wait to make thousands with no research or traffic at all. If we master those important factors there is no way to fail in autoblogs. Feel free to add anything you want and modify my list.
 
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