Austria locks antivaxxers down [GO AUSTRIA!]

bartosimpsonio said:

It's not an emergency approval. Vaccines are now fully approved. Just like any other drug you take. Every other drug you find at your local drugstore went through the same thing. So you either disbelieve in everything or you take an aspirin. Or viagra (same company that sells the best vaccine available).

Yeah lots of it is crazy but no, the vaccine is no conspiracy, it is the only remedy we have thus far for this pandemic.

Also, by simple math, 1% of humankind is about 70 million people. For comparison, the Holocaust was 11 million dead. So you seem to be fine with 1% dying from a virus? 70 million dead is ok for you? I don't think you have put more than 4 minutes thought into any of this.

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Ah now Bart please don’t try with your final paragraph to insinuate I’m ok with ANYONE dying, because I’m not.. that’s another reason I don’t agree with this vaccine that has the potential to kill being pushed down our throats. It’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, freedom to choose to fight this virus which we know has a 99%+ (it’s a big plus) without a vaccine should be ones own personal choice, they should not be discriminated against for choosing not to take the risks they have seen with this vaccine, that is the whole point here.

Only the viagra guys have gotten full approval and only a few months ago, they’ve got deep pockets now considering almost 50% of their revenue is coming from these covid jabs.. enough to pay the best lobbyists I would imagine! The others have not been approved and are still under emergency use approval.

The viagra guys are not happy though, they want more.. now they’re going for the kids, emergency approval only though (for now), what a sick situation..

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use-children-5-through-11-years-age

t0mmy said:

Ah now Bart please don’t try with your final paragraph to insinuate I’m ok with ANYONE dying, because I’m not.. that’s another reason I don’t agree with this vaccine that has the potential to kill being pushed down our throats. It’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, freedom to choose to fight this virus which we know has a 99%+ (it’s a big plus) without a vaccine should be ones own personal choice, they should not be discriminated against for choosing not to take the risks they have seen with this vaccine, that is the whole point here.

Only the viagra guys have gotten full approval and only a few months ago, they’ve got deep pockets now considering almost 50% of their revenue is coming from these covid jabs.. enough to pay the best lobbyists I would imagine! The others have not been approved and are still under emergency use approval.

The viagra guys are not happy though, they want more.. now they’re going for the kids, emergency approval only though (for now), what a sick situation..

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...emergency-use-children-5-through-11-years-age

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Fine but what's the issue with the viagra guys making $$$??? I mean...I constantly see this argument and it doesn't make any sense.

I fully expect the vaccine developers to make big $$ from this.

If you think the pandemic is one great conspiracy to sell vaccines then you probably believe hunger is one big conspiracy to sell bigmacs.

I did not mean to imply you want anyone dead, I just showed you a specific number that should prove that 99% survival is NOT OK for a global widespread virus.

Here's a perfect example of Pfizer paying everyone off so they keep promoting there vaccines and keeping everyone scared of covid.

Money buys influence, control and power.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eULGnTNkibCP/

bartosimpsonio said:

If you think the pandemic is one great conspiracy to sell vaccines then you probably believe hunger is one big conspiracy to sell bigmacs.

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Again - I don’t think the virus is fake or any kind of conspiracy. However, how it’s now being used and manipulated to fit countless agendas (profit being one) is plain as day to see.

No, hunger is a natural human reaction to not consuming food, I wouldn’t advise eating bigmacs to satisfy that natural reaction though as they’re poison, but then again.. you’ll put anything in your system by the sounds of it.

I’m out, your views, beliefs and how you think this should be dealt with frighten me to be honest more than any covid virus. Hopefully this is not a glimpse of things to come, divide and conquer.. the oldest play in the book.

To the others here questioning the status quo - keep doing so, every year we seem to be losing more and more rights to one scary media lead monster or another.

Before I leave.. don’t you forget to book in for your booster Bart, 3rd times the charm and all that.

I don't know why no one trusts big pharma.. They just want to keep us all safe..




AHH NO. It can't be.. Surely not!!

Let me google this at once.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...agrees-to-criminal-plea-idUSTRE5813XB20090902
Hm, it looks ok! The article mentions "marketing fraud"..

I also see this on page 1.

USA TODAY TO THE RESCUE!

*FACT* *CHECK*

BOOM

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...st-pfizer-alleged-marketing-fraud/4857499001/

Fact check: Resolved lawsuits against Pfizer alleged marketing fraud, data manipulation​

PHEW.

That was a close one. It's just "marketing fraud" and "data manipulation".

And if we check page 1 of google and read all the articles, we can clearly see that it was just a bit of misleading marketing. Nothing to be concerned about. We've all been there.

Ok, let's cut the bullshit.

This is where it ends for more people and they go back to netflix and popcorn.

But let's dig a little deeper.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-09-03/pfizer-fine-should-act-as-deterrent/1417140
"
Pfizer was also accused by authorities of paying kickbacks to doctors to prescribe its drugs.

"

"
The practices were exposed by former Pfizer sales representative and Gulf War veteran, John Kopchinski.

"

"
In a statement he said: "In the army I was expected to protect people at all costs. At Pfizer I was expected to increase profits at all costs, even when sales meant endangering lives. I couldn't do that."

"

"
Pfizer says it regrets its past actions and will learn from them.

" <-- Really?


https://www.corpwatch.org/article/pfizer-admits-bribery-eight-countries


https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/2875889
This is on europepmc.org

Not some shady conspiracy site.

The author - https://europepmc.org/search?query=AUTH:"Robert G Evans"


Here he is - https://chspr.ubc.ca/about/people/core-faculty/robert-evans/

Is this a kooky conspiracy theorist?

Let's see.

Emeritus Professor at Vancouver School of Economics.

Internationally esteemed health economist.

Recipient of Canada's highest honor for lifetime achievement.

Officer of the Order of Canada.

Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada.

Fellow of Canadian Institute for Advanced Research.

Do I need to go on?

Now that I have established a SOLID and highly qualified author. Much more so than some clown at USA TODAY.

Let's look at some of his quotes from the article about Pfizer being corrupt. - https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/2875889

" Pfizer has been a "habitual offender," persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results"

Illegal and corrupt marketing practices?

Bribing physicians?

Suppressing adverse trial results?


Come on, folks. When is it going to hit you hard on the face who you're dealing with?

Why do you trust page 1 of google?
Why do you trust the crap written by mainstream media? It's all a lie. It's all funded propaganda.

Going a little deeper isn't hard. Just look for qualified people talking about things. Research those people like I did above. It's pretty undisputable. Are you going to try and discredit Robert G Evans? Do you believe USA TODAY's fact check?

Here's another quote

"This noble language might suggest that Omnicare is “an eleemosynary outfit.”2 Not so. It is a strictly for-profit corporation (OCR-N on the NYSE) like Johnson & Johnson (JNJ-N), with the mission – the one for which its executives are paid – of providing “enhanced shareholder value” "


"Payments from J&J to Omnicare to encourage pharmacists to promote the prescribing of Risperdal were a win–win strategy for both corporations."

"The charges against J&J have not been proven in court, nor are they likely to be. Corporations prefer not to go to trial; rather, they negotiate a settlement that will permit them to continue denying wrong-doing while paying to make the charges go away."

"Omnicare, as it happens, settled related charges last November for a payment of $98 million to the United States and state governments (Associated Press 2010); with that case settled, J&J will probably choose the same option. The only real issue in dispute will be the size of the penalties."

Say what? Omincare made a payment of $98 million to the US and state government?

Here's the link to the citation - http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20100115.escenic_1432378/BNStory/Business/

Oh look at that. It's been deleted and 301's to the homepage. Oh well.


Here's one that's still live. Let's see if this can be FACT CHECKED by USA TODAY so we can all get back to netflix and popcorn.

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/June/03_civ_386.htm
justice.gov. Strong. This will require some extra wacky FACT CHECKER powers.

"The settlement announced today resolves HCA's civil liability for false claims resulting from a variety of allegedly unlawful practices, including cost report fraud and the payment of kickbacks to physicians."

Ah there we go.

FALSE CLAIMS.

Yes.. Let's settle. We don't want to go to court to dispute these false claims. We'll just settle, and in this case with a non-guilty plea.

Just read the article, folks. It's on justice.gov for christ sake. I'm doing my best to give you SOLID sources and not kooky conspiracy blogs.

Wake up. Be free. Be loving and stop the division. We are all one family.

just 1 question

proxygo said:

just 1 question

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Just 1 question

If seatbelts don't stop you from dying, how do they protect people?

splishsplash said:

I don't know why no one trusts big pharma.. They just want to keep us all safe..

AHH NO. It can't be.. Surely not!!

Let me google this at once.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...agrees-to-criminal-plea-idUSTRE5813XB20090902
Hm, it looks ok! The article mentions "marketing fraud"..

I also see this on page 1.

USA TODAY TO THE RESCUE!

*FACT* *CHECK*

BOOM

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...st-pfizer-alleged-marketing-fraud/4857499001/

Fact check: Resolved lawsuits against Pfizer alleged marketing fraud, data manipulation​

PHEW.

That was a close one. It's just "marketing fraud" and "data manipulation".

And if we check page 1 of google and read all the articles, we can clearly see that it was just a bit of misleading marketing. Nothing to be concerned about. We've all been there.

Ok, let's cut the bullshit.

This is where it ends for more people and they go back to netflix and popcorn.

But let's dig a little deeper.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-09-03/pfizer-fine-should-act-as-deterrent/1417140
"
Pfizer was also accused by authorities of paying kickbacks to doctors to prescribe its drugs.

"

"
The practices were exposed by former Pfizer sales representative and Gulf War veteran, John Kopchinski.

"

"
In a statement he said: "In the army I was expected to protect people at all costs. At Pfizer I was expected to increase profits at all costs, even when sales meant endangering lives. I couldn't do that."

"

"
Pfizer says it regrets its past actions and will learn from them.

" <-- Really?


https://www.corpwatch.org/article/pfizer-admits-bribery-eight-countries


https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/2875889
This is on europepmc.org

Not some shady conspiracy site.

The author - https://europepmc.org/search?query=AUTH:"Robert G Evans"


Here he is - https://chspr.ubc.ca/about/people/core-faculty/robert-evans/

Is this a kooky conspiracy theorist?

Let's see.

Emeritus Professor at Vancouver School of Economics.

Internationally esteemed health economist.

Recipient of Canada's highest honor for lifetime achievement.

Officer of the Order of Canada.

Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada.

Fellow of Canadian Institute for Advanced Research.

Do I need to go on?

Now that I have established a SOLID and highly qualified author. Much more so than some clown at USA TODAY.

Let's look at some of his quotes from the article about Pfizer being corrupt. - https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/2875889

" Pfizer has been a "habitual offender," persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results"

Illegal and corrupt marketing practices?

Bribing physicians?

Suppressing adverse trial results?


Come on, folks. When is it going to hit you hard on the face who you're dealing with?

Why do you trust page 1 of google?
Why do you trust the crap written by mainstream media? It's all a lie. It's all funded propaganda.

Going a little deeper isn't hard. Just look for qualified people talking about things. Research those people like I did above. It's pretty undisputable. Are you going to try and discredit Robert G Evans? Do you believe USA TODAY's fact check?

Here's another quote

"This noble language might suggest that Omnicare is “an eleemosynary outfit.”2 Not so. It is a strictly for-profit corporation (OCR-N on the NYSE) like Johnson & Johnson (JNJ-N), with the mission – the one for which its executives are paid – of providing “enhanced shareholder value” "


"Payments from J&J to Omnicare to encourage pharmacists to promote the prescribing of Risperdal were a win–win strategy for both corporations."

"The charges against J&J have not been proven in court, nor are they likely to be. Corporations prefer not to go to trial; rather, they negotiate a settlement that will permit them to continue denying wrong-doing while paying to make the charges go away."

"Omnicare, as it happens, settled related charges last November for a payment of $98 million to the United States and state governments (Associated Press 2010); with that case settled, J&J will probably choose the same option. The only real issue in dispute will be the size of the penalties."

Say what? Omincare made a payment of $98 million to the US and state government?

Here's the link to the citation - http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20100115.escenic_1432378/BNStory/Business/

Oh look at that. It's been deleted and 301's to the homepage. Oh well.


Here's one that's still live. Let's see if this can be FACT CHECKED by USA TODAY so we can all get back to netflix and popcorn.

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/June/03_civ_386.htm
justice.gov. Strong. This will require some extra wacky FACT CHECKER powers.

"The settlement announced today resolves HCA's civil liability for false claims resulting from a variety of allegedly unlawful practices, including cost report fraud and the payment of kickbacks to physicians."

Ah there we go.

FALSE CLAIMS.

Yes.. Let's settle. We don't want to go to court to dispute these false claims. We'll just settle, and in this case with a non-guilty plea.

Just read the article, folks. It's on justice.gov for christ sake. I'm doing my best to give you SOLID sources and not kooky conspiracy blogs.

Wake up. Be free. Be loving and stop the division. We are all one family.

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The reason I persist with this thread is to try and help people see what's really going on here. Its a duty to humanity.

People are wasting their lives away living in fear because the Pfizer paid "news outlets" keep people in a state of perpetual fear.

Follow the money and all will be revealed.

Ask questions.

Find answers to those questions.

Stop letting corrupt "news outlets" control your perception of reality or you will live the rest of your life in fear.

Peace

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eULGnTNkibCP/

SocialManager said:

Just 1 question

If seatbelts don't stop you from dying, how do they protect people?

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wearing a seat belt saves lives. having the vax does not stop you
from getting or transmitting covid

Don't waste your time with bart he believes in CNN is brought to by Pfizer.

proxygo said:

Ill admit the vax has saved some people , but its also probably killed
a couple of million world wide who wouldnt have died had they not taken
it, thats why governments wont enforce mandatory vax shots , as its not
100% safe, its just the best thing they have, hence its your choice to take it.

unless you work - then they will fire you if you dont. its like watching a form
of cleansing to lower the population a little

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Flat out wrong. Over 8 billion shots have been administered all over the world, the large majority of people have had little to no side effects. If millions have died from the vaccine, it would have been shut down in a hot minute. I mean, the J&J was shut down after a handful of people developed blood clots. Please stop pulling numbers out of your ass. It makes you look ignorant.

Let's look at some facts:

1) Deaths caused by COVID vaccines - <6,000 (this is a high estimate even if you look at self-reporting systems). **Also, people die every day, so there is always the chance of pure coincidence.
2) COVID Vaccine shots administered around the world - over 8 million
3) Total Deaths from COVID - over 5 million and growing (this does not account for long haul COVID effects)
4) Over 95%+ of hospitalization and deaths are now unvaccinated. Unvaccinated are now clogging up the hospital systems when many of their hospitalizations and death could've been prevented.
5) The vaccine is not experimental, it has been studied since the early 1990s. The tech is extremely safe. They also had already been developing a vaccine for SAR-CoV-2 (https://jbiomedsci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12929-020-00695-2)

"Human trials of cancer vaccines using the same mRNA technology have been taking place since at least 2011. “If there was a real problem with the technology, we’d have seen it before now for sure,” said Prof. Goldman from the Belgium Institute for Interdisciplinary Innovation in Healthcare.

The process was faster than usual because researchers had already built an mRNA platform – a way of getting viral mRNA into the body – for cancer and other vaccines under trial. It meant this could be put into action as soon as the genomic sequence of the Covid virus was shared."

Some more peer review studies that put to rest much of the misinformation being spread:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.31.2100640

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0829


I understand people don't like being told what to do and what is mandated, but we are mandated and told what to do on a daily basis. I don't understand why this is the literal hill people are going to die on. We're are talking about public health and safety. This is prevention, you know from getting really sick and even dying. I can't imagine if people acted this way when the polio vaccine rolled out. Or how about the Spanish Flu, which is estimated to have killed over 500 million people. How many people do you think would've been lining up to take a vaccine if we had one?

Also, please stop making comparisons to vaccine mandates and Nazi Germany/Hitler. If you really think that, you need to take a history class. My God people.

jstover77 said:

Flat out wrong. Over 8 billion shots have been administered all over the world, the large majority of people have had little to no side effects. If millions have died from the vaccine, it would have been shut down in a hot minute. I mean, the J&J was shut down after a handful of people developed blood clots. Please stop pulling numbers out of your ass. It makes you look ignorant.

Let's look at some facts:

1) Deaths caused by COVID vaccines - <6,000 (this is a high estimate even if you look at self-reporting systems). **Also, people die every day, so there is always the chance of pure coincidence.
2) COVID Vaccine shots administered around the world - over 8 million
3) Total Deaths from COVID - over 5 million and growing (this does not account for long haul COVID effects)
4) Over 95%+ of hospitalization and deaths are now unvaccinated. Unvaccinated are now clogging up the hospital systems when many of their hospitalizations and death could've been prevented.
5) The vaccine is not experimental, it has been studied since the early 1990s. The tech is extremely safe. They also had already been developing a vaccine for SAR-CoV-2 (https://jbiomedsci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12929-020-00695-2)

"Human trials of cancer vaccines using the same mRNA technology have been taking place since at least 2011. “If there was a real problem with the technology, we’d have seen it before now for sure,” said Prof. Goldman from the Belgium Institute for Interdisciplinary Innovation in Healthcare.

The process was faster than usual because researchers had already built an mRNA platform – a way of getting viral mRNA into the body – for cancer and other vaccines under trial. It meant this could be put into action as soon as the genomic sequence of the Covid virus was shared."

Some more peer review studies that put to rest much of the misinformation being spread:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.31.2100640

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0829


I understand people don't like being told what to do and what is mandated, but we are mandated and told what to do on a daily basis. I don't understand why this is the literal hill people are going to die on. We're are talking about public health and safety. This is prevention, you know from getting really sick and even dying. I can't imagine if people acted this way when the polio vaccine rolled out. Or how about the Spanish Flu, which is estimated to have killed over 500 million people. How many people do you think would've been lining up to take a vaccine if we had one?

Also, please stop making comparisons to vaccine mandates and Nazi Germany/Hitler. If you really think that, you need to take a history class. My God people.

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I don't see "news outlets" condemning McDonald's for serving fat people burgers and fries.

Think about it......

proxygo said:

wearing a seat belt saves lives. having the vax does not stop you
from getting or transmitting covid

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According to your logic, seatbelts don't work because you still can get into an accident.

jstover77 said:

If millions have died from the vaccine, it would have been shut down in a hot minute.

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the news media in America and all the Social media platforms shut down trump
you think they cant shut down topic discussions on death vax rates come on.
see - im not saying the vax doesnt save lives. it does
i only stated being vaxed doesnt stop you carrying or transmitting covid - it doesnt

and theres a lot of people out there who died from the vax causing heart attacks,
heart failure , myocarditis . but thats the thing with pro vaxers, they believe its perfect
and hurts no1.

Come on dude it's a country with total of 6million people they're trying to be dramatic lol