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How it is possible to spend $20k on single ad account? Are you using cloaking? if yes which cloaking you use? How much is your per day budget for new ad account? Do you warmup first or run ads directly via cloaking?
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Valviashop
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- Oct 17, 2025
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I just finished reading all the content you’ve shared, and it’s truly incredible, the value and depth of information you’ve provided is impressive. I wanted to ask if you would be open to offering a paid consulting session for my team. We’re in a different industry, but we’re facing very similar challenges, and I believe your experience could help us a lot.
Currently cannot send private messages on the forum, so if this is something you’d be open to, I’d truly appreciate it if you could send me a PM first. Thanks in advance.
samthevick
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Hey Snkrsresell,
If that happens just consider it trash and create a new one. And no, I never use long-term phone number. I use any sms service, for example smspva just to verify once. After that you can connect authenticator to not lose access, I personally use Twilio Authy, just because it's not related to google. I never tested it but using Google Authenticator doesn't seems to make sense
Nope,
And this is very important, you're be thankful for bringing this on the table. If you want I have a way for you to spend a lot in one single day, and next day your account is banned, but you'll see that this doesnt make sense.
I first did this by recommendtion of a friend on the begining but fast I noticed it was dumb ahahha.
Basically, let's say you already have the bh campaign running. You can duplicate it on veritcal, like 100x times. So you now have 100 campaigns spending 50$ each, seems to look good, but in reality it isn't.
The best strategy is longevity. If you manage to run a camapign for 1,2,3 months, even if spending is on 15$/day your campaign is way more intelligent than the rest.
When I duplicated campaigns vertically I literally burned money because google used it to optmize and next day was bannedy, so it didn't had time to optimize and burned my cash
Quick P.S: Even with exact match on specific keyword will burn your money if the campaign is not optimized, I really recommended getting this out of head ahha
Hey fald,
That's actually insane. Nowadays with 21 pages of content, your brain shoulding be popping out to get on Google
Well, if this account has still any campaign running let it spend for a few more time, otherwise, instead of directly going to bh ad, I recommend you making the white ad first, the advantage you can take on this account is that you can be faster doing the changes and spending less, since it has already a very good historic.
Good luck on your journey!
Hey bhgads,
Honestly not, but I don't usually fill those forms, agency does that for
Hey Murky,
You're most welcome. There's space for everyone here.
Out of 1, 2, 5, 10k persons that look at this tread, only a few take action.
Well, first of all I need to tell you, Indonesia is not a gold mine, and honsetly, I believe it is not that profitable owning a casino there. But as an affiliate Indonesia is pretty good.
It will be hard to find affiliates for Indonesia because Indonesia has strict laws for offline and online gambling there. So I only managed to run there because of connections and people I knew. You'll get this type of partners with time. Some partners come to you and start saying that they have X Y Z offer and if you're interested in testing it.
For you to start on it, I suggest having a read on the Partners list of Forums and Cloakers.
Hey GuruPapa,
Honestelly I'm not having this type of struggle. Depends a lot on the GEO and how they're doing the campaigns.
Of course Tier 1 is going to be harder, but it's always possible.
Hey hkrumar. I've talked about how to make the campaigns a lot of times on this thread, just go a few pages back.
I only add cloaker after spending a few $s on the bh keywords.
Nowadays I added a new cloaker to my list, but depneding on the geo I use Hoax.tech, cloakerly and recently I started using adspect as well.
Daily budget i'm managing to get up to 300$ max
Hey Valvia,
It's a good time to remember here, that I do not sell, in any type or any form in the forum. I can talk with you completely for free.
Most welcome!
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Sheen4
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- Jun 13, 2025
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Thank you very much for this wonderful explanation. I would like to inform you that I have been following this article for several days and I am constantly following your responses. I would like to talk to you, but my messages are closed. If it is possible for us to communicate with each other, I would be very grateful to you.
AraAraSlayer69
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- Oct 5, 2025
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i am bit confused here since i havent reach the cloacker but recenly make whitepage website
If my whitepage is : thundershop.com
and my money page is : vegascasino.com
so i should activate thundershop.com domain to my vegascasino.com too ?
hows that can work ? i thought by useing cloacker the vegascasino.com will be open to specifict person haha. Since my whitepage and money page server & clooudflare are seperated
Hi
You write the following:
"I believe I didn't understood your question. Maybe reprahse it if you don't mind. What I personally do is: index.html (whitepage) add on the root folder index.php (cloaker redirect), rename index.html (whitepage) to -> index2.html"
Your described approach:
Real user → Cloaker → Pre-lander (popup with cookies) → Casino.
What do you mean by index2.html?
Is that the pre-lander (popup with cookies)?
Or is it part of a chain where you use pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews)?
Questions:
You write the following:
"I believe I didn't understood your question. Maybe reprahse it if you don't mind. What I personally do is: index.html (whitepage) add on the root folder index.php (cloaker redirect), rename index.html (whitepage) to -> index2.html"
Your described approach:
Real user → Cloaker → Pre-lander (popup with cookies) → Casino.
What do you mean by index2.html?
Is that the pre-lander (popup with cookies)?
Or is it part of a chain where you use pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews)?
Questions:
- How often do you use pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews) for new brands?
Or do you always use this chain: Real user → Cloaker → Pre-lander (popup with cookies) → Casino? - Do pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews) make the ad campaign more stable (fewer bans)?
Or do both approaches have the same level of durability?
3. Which approach do you prefer and why?
3.1 Real user → Cloaker → Pre-lander (popup with cookies) → Casino
3.2 Real user → Cloaker → Pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews) → Casino
3.3 Or maybe: Real user → Cloaker → Pre-landing pages (top-10 casinos, reviews) → Pre-lander (popup with cookies) → Casino
Hello everyone,I am a beginner and planning to run Facebook ad campaigns for dietary supplements and pain relief products. I currently have 5 Facebook ad accounts that I created myself. I use a 4G IP and the AdsPower browser, and everything seems stable with no technical issues.I am looking for advice on:Creating an engaging video ad:What are the best practices or tips for designing a video ad that will not get flagged or rejected by Facebook?Are there specific elements or messages I should avoid or focus on in the video to comply with Facebook’s policies?Ad copywriting tips:What copywriting strategies help attract the right audience while minimizing the risk of ad disapproval?Are there particular words or phrases I should avoid or use carefully?Campaign format choice:Should I use a simple product landing page with a video and copy, or is it better to run direct message campaigns (via Messenger or WhatsApp)?Considering I am from a third-world country, specifically Africa, are there any particular targeting or campaign strategy considerations I should keep in mind?Cloaking necessity:Cloaking seems costly and complex to me; can I succeed without it by following Facebook’s advertising policies?Is it advisable to start simple and avoid cloaking until I gain experience and resources?Any expert insights or practical advice would be highly appreciated for me and other newcomers.Thank you very much!
any suggestion which cloaker are you using
samthevick
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Hello Sheen,
Very glad to see posts like this coming by here. Yes, I'll text you on BHW.
Hello Ara,
Yes exactly. You will be doing ads to thundershop.com, and when you get to the black campaign, you make thundershop.com redirect to vegascasino.com
Usally, the best approach, at least for me, is working under same domain, you can do for e.g.
Whitepage: thundershop.com
moneypage: thundershop.com/mp (moneypage)
You configure this rules on the Cloaker.
Hello noshade,
Yes it is still working, and recently trending again. Nowadays the only difference is that we don't apply for License anymore, just start running it.
And yes, I'm able to run on Canada, but I don't truly believe it's worth it. At least with my tests. Maybe brands will get better results there.
Hello Lumyn
1. There is not a exact math on that, really depends on the offer and the brand, but if you have strong affiliation with various brands, and their open to do so, top-10 casinos is a good approach.
2. Kind of, depends totally on the GEO.
3. I prefer 3.1, but it really depends on everything. Audience, GEO, ads platform
Hello ysfdz
I can't personally recommend you on Facebook, unfortunately i've not done this much ads there, also your niche is something completly different. Maybe we have a facebook blackhatter here that might be able to help you out
Hey Khushivma.
I'm using variated options, nowadays I always test all of them in every ad variation I do, so it's worth for me. Results are always different
Hoax.Tech, Cloakerly, Adspect.ai
ryan stark
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- Sep 4, 2024
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Hello, thank you so much for sharing so many practical and effective methods here.
I'm in the replica goods business and currently running Google demand gen ads, which deliver over 10x ROAS. I have three questions I'd appreciate your insights on.
1. You mentioned never using GA or GTM. However, if I need to use TCPA for bidding, do you have any suggestions for handling conversion tracking?
2. Demand Gen Ads require adding ad images for placement. Did you incorporate image assets when running search ads? Or do you have any tips for adding images to ads?
3. When creating an ad campaign, you must first select the advertising objective, then the ad format, and finally the conversion event. I want to ask whether the selection of advertising objectives and conversion events affects account review. For example, if I choose “Purchase” as the conversion event, is it more likely to result in suspension than selecting “Page View”?
I'm in the replica goods business and currently running Google demand gen ads, which deliver over 10x ROAS. I have three questions I'd appreciate your insights on.
1. You mentioned never using GA or GTM. However, if I need to use TCPA for bidding, do you have any suggestions for handling conversion tracking?
2. Demand Gen Ads require adding ad images for placement. Did you incorporate image assets when running search ads? Or do you have any tips for adding images to ads?
3. When creating an ad campaign, you must first select the advertising objective, then the ad format, and finally the conversion event. I want to ask whether the selection of advertising objectives and conversion events affects account review. For example, if I choose “Purchase” as the conversion event, is it more likely to result in suspension than selecting “Page View”?
Hi, i recive a suspension using Hoax Cloacker, using this configs:
Do you have any tips on how to prevent this happening?
I would like to learn how the BH in the marketing space works.
wasborntoshine
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- Dec 2, 2025
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Hey, I've been following this thread for a while, lots of useful information - thanks!
But I have a question.
I want (I don't want to name the geo), let's say a Tier-1 geo. They're making me a whitelist, and I'm applying for ADS gambling certification for it. I'm launching my first campaign on this domain with a certificate without blacklist keys, not even a blacklist or cloaking, but I'm immediately getting a "Your account violated the Circumventing systems: Cloaking policy" error message.
I'm losing heart. I've changed the whitelists and tried to make it unique, but the fact that I see the same site in ads really makes me feel desperate. Maybe you guys can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
But I have a question.
I want (I don't want to name the geo), let's say a Tier-1 geo. They're making me a whitelist, and I'm applying for ADS gambling certification for it. I'm launching my first campaign on this domain with a certificate without blacklist keys, not even a blacklist or cloaking, but I'm immediately getting a "Your account violated the Circumventing systems: Cloaking policy" error message.
I'm losing heart. I've changed the whitelists and tried to make it unique, but the fact that I see the same site in ads really makes me feel desperate. Maybe you guys can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
samthevick
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Hello Ryan,
Just to clarify first, I’ve never worked directly in that niche, but I’ll try to help you out as max as I can.
1. Yes, you can run tCPA without GA or GTM, and I’d avoid both. Just use native Google Ads conversion tracking. Either a Thank You page load or a very simple JS event after a successful order. As long as the signal is consistent, tCPA works fine. Keep it simple.
2. For Search ads I usually don’t use image assets at all. For Demand Gen there’s no choice. I don’t have much experience with it, but I’d keep images very neutral. No claims, no aggressive visuals, and no obvious product focus if possible. That's just a suggestion, not sure if this works the best.
3. Yes, it does affect risk, but it’s not an instant ban. I’m not saying that “Purchase” is forbidden. It just puts the account under more scrutiny, especially on new accounts or domains. Using more generic events like Page View or a custom event is often safer early on, then you can move deeper once the account has some history. Timing matters more than the event itself.
Hey Hyper, I mainly run gambling/casino type Google Ads in 3rd world / tier-2 / tier-3 countries as my primary target right now. That’s where most of my traffic and spend sits.
Hello hzr.
It will always happen sometime. What I can suggest you right now based on your setup. Turn off Timezone filter. It is horrible, at least in my experience.
Also, seperate your ads between devices. If you are doing ads for Mobile & Desktop, do it seperatly. I would create 1 ad account only for Desktop, and filter it only by Desktop, and other ad account only for mobile, filter it on hoax only for mobile. Keeping it all open the way you have is easier to get bans. For the rest it seems to be good. Circumventing always happens, sooner or later. Just try to be careful, when you make changes to the campaign pause the cloaker, wait a few hours and turn it back again.
Hello Darwin,
You’re in the right place.
Honestly, pretty much everything you need is already in this thread. 22 pages worth of info. Take the time to read through it carefully, most questions are already answered here. Enjoy!
Hey wasborntoshine,
To start off appreciate your opinion on the thread. Hope it continues to help you further on!
I’ll try to explain this properly so it makes sense and you know how to move forward.
When you get an instant Circumventing systems / Cloaking suspension on Tier-1 gambling, it usually means one part of the setup is leaking a bad signal. It’s almost never just the landing or a single rule you broke.
That’s why there’s no “do this and it will work” fix. The only way to approach this is isolating variables and testing them one by one, not changing everything at the same time.
From the error you're getting, I would believe directly it's something on your hard setup. First thing I’d test is the environment used to access and manage the account. Try a different Antidetect browser like Octo, AdsPower, or Dolphin, and keep everything else exactly the same. If the previous environment was already burned or inconsistent, Google will flag you immediately.
If you’re not running under an MCC, treat the account as fully standalone. Make sure nothing is shared from previous setups. Fresh accounts on Tier-1 get reviewed extremely hard, so any weak signal here matters. If it’s not under an MCC, I’d also test a fresh billing setup. That means a new CC with a new BIN. Billing trust can override everything else, even if the rest of the setup looks clean.
A lot of cloaking flags actually come from server-side behavior. Hosting reputation, protection layers, or previous usage of the server for bh can all trigger issues. If everything else checks out, this is a very common weak point. Also make sure to protect it with cloudflare
Domain. Even domains that look clean can carry history. Tier-1 + fresh domain + first campaign is one of the most sensitive combinations.
The important part:
Change one layer at a time, then wait and observe. If you change multiple things at once, you’ll never know what actually fixed it.
Just a quick note here. If you're budget tight, change it all at once, and it might work, but I wouldn't say that's the best solution. That's why I isolate it nowadays, so you can scale without issue.
Also keep in mind, Tier-1 gambling has almost zero tolerance. Certification helps, but it doesn’t override trust issues.
Most of the time it’s just one weak link in the footprint, and finding it takes systematic testing, not quick fixes.
Hope this helps clarify how to approach it.
wasborntoshine
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- Dec 2, 2025
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Thank you very much