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@samthevick I've gone through the whole thread, and I'm probably more confused than before...but you're refreshingly helpful and I like that you mention that there is room for everyone to advertise, so hopefully you can answer some of my questions :).

Personally, I'd like to try nutra.

And I did try some of this in 2024. I did something along the lines of this:

1) Adspower + Oxylab proxies. Automated some human behaviour (to create browser cookies).
2) Create gmail + SMS phone service for verification.
3) PST for virtual cards.
4) Ran campaigns.

They weren't even bh campaigns, but the accounts still got blocked (I imagine because of the whole setup).

My question is:

1) I understand that phone verification is not needed as long as I create the account from a good IP, and that it's better to use a credit line instead of virtual cards...but is a setup like this, something that makes sense even for non casino stuff? Is there something I'm not doing right? Because this never worked for me, and if I wanted to not put my personal account at risk, I'd obviously like to have something minimally stable.

2) Do you face the issue of adding keywords to google, that are prohibited? For example, in health, even though people can 'search for' let's say, the keyword "diabetes", and google allows you to 'add it' to the targeted keyword in the campaign (you see the search term in impressions and clicks)...after adding it and it being in 'pending', they disallow it because xyz reason. Does that happen in casinos? Is there a way around it?


Thanks :V
 
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Grass Popstickle said:
@samthevick I've gone through the whole thread, and I'm probably more confused than before...but you're refreshingly helpful and I like that you mention that there is room for everyone to advertise, so hopefully you can answer some of my questions :).

Personally, I'd like to try nutra.

And I did try some of this in 2024. I did something along the lines of this:

1) Adspower + Oxylab proxies. Automated some human behaviour (to create browser cookies).
2) Create gmail + SMS phone service for verification.
3) PST for virtual cards.
4) Ran campaigns.

They weren't even bh campaigns, but the accounts still got blocked (I imagine because of the whole setup).

My question is:

1) I understand that phone verification is not needed as long as I create the account from a good IP, and that it's better to use a credit line instead of virtual cards...but is a setup like this, something that makes sense even for non casino stuff? Is there something I'm not doing right? Because this never worked for me, and if I wanted to not put my personal account at risk, I'd obviously like to have something minimally stable.

2) Do you face the issue of adding keywords to google, that are prohibited? For example, in health, even though people can 'search for' let's say, the keyword "diabetes", and google allows you to 'add it' to the targeted keyword in the campaign (you see the search term in impressions and clicks)...after adding it and it being in 'pending', they disallow it because xyz reason. Does that happen in casinos? Is there a way around it?


Thanks :V
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Hey Grass,

Ahaha it happens,

First off, appreciate the kind words mate. Really glad the thread is helpful.

Now, nutra is a completely different beast from gambling, just to be clear upfront. I don't have experience running nutra campaigns, but I'll try to you out based on what I know and what seems off in your setup.

Question 1:

Honestly, I think your issue might be simpler than you think. If the accounts got blocked even for white campaigns, it's probably not the campaigns themselves but the footprint you're leaving during account creation or the first interactions.

Adspower + proxies + automated behavior + SMS services + virtual cards. That's a lot of layers, and each one can be a weak point. Google is extremely good at detecting patterns, and if any part of that chain is burned or looks suspicious, you're flagged from the start.

My suggestion would be to simplify and isolate. Start with the cleanest possible setup first:

- Use a residential IP or a very clean proxy​
- Create the Gmail manually, no automation. Just a normal account creation from that clean IP​
- Skip the phone verification if possible, but if Google asks for it, use a real SIM or a very reliable SMS service. A lot of those services are burned​
- For payment, yes, credit lines are way better than virtual cards for stability. Virtual cards scream "I'm hiding something" to Google. But, I have some contacts that use sites like the one you mentioned and they run without issues, so this shouldn't be your issue.​
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The key here is trust signals. Google needs to see normal human behavior.

Also, even if you're running white campaigns, if the account setup itself looks suspicious, Google will block you before you even start spending. It's not always about what you're advertising, it's about who they think you are.

Question 2:

Yes, this happens all the time, not just in nutra but in gambling too. Google will show you impressions and clicks for certain keywords, then suddenly disapprove them even though people are literally searching for them.

The way I handle it in gambling is pretty simple, I don't fight Google on the keywords during the approval stage. I start with super safe, generic keywords that are 100% compliant. Once the campaign is approved and running, Slowaly add the more aggressive or borderline keywords one by one. Not all at once, just gradually.

For nutra, I'd imagine it's similar. Maybe start with educational or informational keywords that are clearly white, like "healthy weight loss tips" or "natural supplements" instead of direct product or condition keywords like "diabetes cure" or whatever. Get the campaign approved and aged a bit, then test adding the riskier terms.

Also, keyword match type matters. Broad match is your friend early on because it gives Google room to explore without you explicitly targeting something they might flag. Once you have data and trust, you can go ahead.

Ah, and of course, sometimes the issue isn't the keyword itself, it's the landing page. If your page has any claims that violate Google's health policies, even safe keywords will get disapproved. Make sure your white page is completely clean, no exaggerated claims, no before/after photos, nothing that could trigger a manual review.

Just a quick note, Nutra is tough, maybe even tougher than gambling in some ways because health claims are so heavily scrutinized. If you're getting blocked repeatedly, it might be worth testing on a completely fresh setup, separate from anything you've used before. Sometimes the environment itself is just burned and there's no recovering it.

Hope this helps clarify things a bit. If you have more questions or something I didn't explain well, feel free to ask mate!
 
Wow man i'm speechless !
Taking the time to answer all those questions i'm insanely grateful.

I basically read everything page 1 till now
I'm in the warming up stage now and thinking about the ad headlines and descriptions

My WH is ecommerce clothing store thats what my mcc provider asked for .
My black page is investing crypto and stocks basically copy trading verified traders

Regarding keywords i'm pretty much sorted out but still if you have any reco i would love to hear
the only thing as i said is the creatives
How the hell i suppose to blend trading in stocks and crypto ( FX ) to ecommerce

I can do something very broad like :
Official website - Best trades - Fast easy reliable
Bonus or whatever

But the delta between the ad to the money page is too big ending up paying for irelevant clicks

How you would create your ad in this situation ?

Thank you again for this thread !!!
 
Hi, thanks so much for all the advice you given. I've read the whole thread form start to finish but have a few questions.

Currently my setup is the following and I'm not sure about the exact next steps:

What I prepared so far:
- 5 accounts, running for more than a month and have Whitehat spend on unique white sites with white keywords for normal day to businesses.
- Usually spend 5 EUR a day, total spend between 50-100
- Around 20 white keyword combinations (started before I read your thread (i think its too many?)

What I plan to do according to your advice:
1. Duplicate the original campaign
2. After duplicating, change the budget to 20 EUR
3, After duplicating, add 3 bh keywords as you advise mixed with white keywords
4. Let it sit and see if keywords get approved
5. if spending, slowly pause whitehat keyword one by one (not all together)
6. Don't add more than 3 BH keyword at once
7. Only thought the budget suggestion thing
8. Activate the cloaker when the keywords and budget is sufficient for me (this is personal preference to give it more time - maybe after 50 a day?

My questions of what I' not sure.

1. Which budget should I use when I duplicate the original white campaign and add the new bh keywords?
2. When duplicating, adwords publishes the cmapaign automatically? Is this normal? I thought I could edit the draft like in facebook.
3. The white campaign have not optimal/related headline and description as its optimized for the white website, not the bh keywords. Can I leave it like this or should I change to Offfcial website and a generic description after duplicating? (My worry is the white setup i have now is too optimized for white site and I am scared to change the headline,description because of ban)
4. At which daily budget can I turn on the cloaker?

Thanks a lot in advance!
 
hi @samthevick
Thank you so much for this information. I've been having a lot of trouble with Google lately, and I'm going to apply all this knowledge you've shared. This is really great, thank you so much.

I just have one question: when you talk about duplicating a campaign, do you mean creating the same ad with the same domain, keywords, and headlines, or duplicating the campaign with a different domain but the same keywords and headlines?
 
Dustnweb said:
Wow man i'm speechless !
Taking the time to answer all those questions i'm insanely grateful.

I basically read everything page 1 till now
I'm in the warming up stage now and thinking about the ad headlines and descriptions

My WH is ecommerce clothing store thats what my mcc provider asked for .
My black page is investing crypto and stocks basically copy trading verified traders

Regarding keywords i'm pretty much sorted out but still if you have any reco i would love to hear
the only thing as i said is the creatives
How the hell i suppose to blend trading in stocks and crypto ( FX ) to ecommerce

I can do something very broad like :
Official website - Best trades - Fast easy reliable
Bonus or whatever

But the delta between the ad to the money page is too big ending up paying for irelevant clicks

How you would create your ad in this situation ?

Thank you again for this thread !!!
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Hey dustnweb,

That's awesome to know. I hope you learned a lot here.

Answering your question. First of all, have you understood how really bh ads work?
The WhitePage doesn't matter, I do gambling with all themes you can imagine. Coffe shops, restaurants, barbershops, everything that has nothing to do with Gambling. The Whitepage doesn't matter, at all. There was a time on the past, where it was possible to do similar whitepages to the topic, after it died there was a method that people tried to insert a few bh keywords on ther whitepage, for example, on a Ecommerce shop selling t-shirts they would put "Casino T-Shirt" and it did a mix and worked. Nowadays, honestly it doesn't matter.

The core idea is making a WhitePage ( it can be an ecommerce selling clothes, all good) and make an ad for it. Let it run as an Ecommerce Clothing store, and the you create another ad for the same website, advertising Crypto. So your ad will have 1 white ad directed to clothing and 1 bh ad directed to Crypto.

Does that make sense?

traffic007 said:
Hi, thanks so much for all the advice you given. I've read the whole thread form start to finish but have a few questions.

Currently my setup is the following and I'm not sure about the exact next steps:

What I prepared so far:
- 5 accounts, running for more than a month and have Whitehat spend on unique white sites with white keywords for normal day to businesses.
- Usually spend 5 EUR a day, total spend between 50-100
- Around 20 white keyword combinations (started before I read your thread (i think its too many?)

What I plan to do according to your advice:
1. Duplicate the original campaign
2. After duplicating, change the budget to 20 EUR
3, After duplicating, add 3 bh keywords as you advise mixed with white keywords
4. Let it sit and see if keywords get approved
5. if spending, slowly pause whitehat keyword one by one (not all together)
6. Don't add more than 3 BH keyword at once
7. Only thought the budget suggestion thing
8. Activate the cloaker when the keywords and budget is sufficient for me (this is personal preference to give it more time - maybe after 50 a day?

My questions of what I' not sure.

1. Which budget should I use when I duplicate the original white campaign and add the new bh keywords?
2. When duplicating, adwords publishes the cmapaign automatically? Is this normal? I thought I could edit the draft like in facebook.
3. The white campaign have not optimal/related headline and description as its optimized for the white website, not the bh keywords. Can I leave it like this or should I change to Offfcial website and a generic description after duplicating? (My worry is the white setup i have now is too optimized for white site and I am scared to change the headline,description because of ban)
4. At which daily budget can I turn on the cloaker?

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Hello Traffic007,

It has passed a month or so since your reply, so I hope you've figured out it all, but for the ones that haven't at the moment, or if you haven't I'll follow with answers for that.
1. Let it burn at least 15$ before trying to do any bh.
2. Yes it is completly normal, the procedure is duplicate it, and only then you start adding keywords to it. It will be mixed White and BH kws, after that you start pausing unwanted white kws and you'll reach the point we're you are only running BH kws on the duplicated ad.
3. That's good actually. Make your white ad as better as possible like you we're a really business.
4. You can turn the cloaker on with even a single dollar. The budget isn't related to cloaking in no way or form, but of course, since you already get in the BH stage, I try to put budget as high as possible. That's what I was looking for after all.

cjmta02 said:
hi @samthevick
Thank you so much for this information. I've been having a lot of trouble with Google lately, and I'm going to apply all this knowledge you've shared. This is really great, thank you so much.

I just have one question: when you talk about duplicating a campaign, do you mean creating the same ad with the same domain, keywords, and headlines, or duplicating the campaign with a different domain but the same keywords and headlines?
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Hey cjmta,

Hope you have a good journey.
Literally duplicating the campaign. Click the checkbox on it, and duplicate it.
 
i faced a new problem, previously, my accounts were not flagged for using the same identity, now it happens, means i am also in need of either purchasing google ads accounts which are fully verified or outsource this entire work to some start to end ads managment service providers.

msged u on tg :)
 
Hello, I have a question about this topic that I haven't been able to resolve for 2 months.

My Google Ads campaigns, when uploading ED or DB (nutras), simply don't spend.
The account doesn't crash, there are no alerts, nothing happens, it simply doesn't spend.
Our cloaker is correct, the page is correct, the presell is correct, but Google doesn't make our account spend. I budget $500 and it spends around $20 a day. The most I get is a "website compromised" message.

As explained, I've already done all the warm-up processes but nothing works. I run ads in the US, YouTube ads.

Does anyone know how I can proceed? I'm losing money and have barely sold anything for over 2 months.
 
Anyone know a way to run lottery/lotto offers on Search in the US? Seems like "lotto", "lottery" keywords are flagged for "Unacceptable Business Practices" almost instantly, even with a clean LP. Is there a workaround for mid/bottom funnel targeting in this vertical, or is Search just burned for the niche?
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Nice to meet you. Although I haven’t been registered for very long, I’ve seen your posts before, they’re excellent. I’ve also picked up and corrected a lot of things from them, which has helped me a lot.


Now I have a question I’d really appreciate your advice on. If you could take some time out of your busy schedule to respond, that would be amazing. My question might be a bit beginner-level. I tried to find the answer in your posts, but couldn’t find one that quite fits my situation.


Here’s what I’m currently facing: I purchase aged Google accounts from agencies. When I try to scale the budget, some of the accounts hit a $2 limit. At the same time, I don’t want to abandon these accounts since each one has a cost. I’ve managed to remove the $2 limit before, but it usually takes 2–3 days, which slows me down.


Do you have any methods to reduce the probability of hitting the $2 limit, or any suggestions on how to deal with it more efficiently?


I would truly appreciate any advice. Thanks for your time, and have a great weekend!
 
MikeOfficial said:
i faced a new problem, previously, my accounts were not flagged for using the same identity, now it happens, means i am also in need of either purchasing google ads accounts which are fully verified or outsource this entire work to some start to end ads managment service providers.

msged u on tg :)
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Hey Mike

I think I haven't received your message, try to reach out again or tell me your username.
I've used those type of accounts on the beginning but they don't make sense now for my work. Isn't MCC cheaper for you as well?

m4t4 said:
Hello, I have a question about this topic that I haven't been able to resolve for 2 months.

My Google Ads campaigns, when uploading ED or DB (nutras), simply don't spend.
The account doesn't crash, there are no alerts, nothing happens, it simply doesn't spend.
Our cloaker is correct, the page is correct, the presell is correct, but Google doesn't make our account spend. I budget $500 and it spends around $20 a day. The most I get is a "website compromised" message.

As explained, I've already done all the warm-up processes but nothing works. I run ads in the US, YouTube ads.

Does anyone know how I can proceed? I'm losing money and have barely sold anything for over 2 months.
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Hello m4t4,

Have you tried to do the warm up with White creatives? Make something real and not scammy. If it doesn't spend there's something wrong.


Aryoch said:
Nice to meet you. Although I haven’t been registered for very long, I’ve seen your posts before, they’re excellent. I’ve also picked up and corrected a lot of things from them, which has helped me a lot.


Now I have a question I’d really appreciate your advice on. If you could take some time out of your busy schedule to respond, that would be amazing. My question might be a bit beginner-level. I tried to find the answer in your posts, but couldn’t find one that quite fits my situation.


Here’s what I’m currently facing: I purchase aged Google accounts from agencies. When I try to scale the budget, some of the accounts hit a $2 limit. At the same time, I don’t want to abandon these accounts since each one has a cost. I’ve managed to remove the $2 limit before, but it usually takes 2–3 days, which slows me down.


Do you have any methods to reduce the probability of hitting the $2 limit, or any suggestions on how to deal with it more efficiently?


I would truly appreciate any advice. Thanks for your time, and have a great weekend!
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Hello Aryoch,

Thanks for the feedback. Happy for you.
When you say Google accounts from agencies you mean MCC? If so you need to talk with your manager about that. Tell him what's happening he might be able to help you out. I would try another MCC provider and see if the problem is related to their MCC.
Quick P.S: I've seen people complaining about this but it never happened to me so I honestly don't know 100% how to help you on that. Your MCC should have better advise
 
Hi, it’s now been over a year since this thread exists, and you should know that it’s partly thanks to you that I was able to get started in the field of black hat marketing.

I have a question. Recently, Google Ads accounts considered “at risk” can be given a spending limit without any prior notice or warning. This limit restricts the account to spending only $1 to $3 per day, and I’m not referring to the limit that appears with a red message on the dashboard.

It seems, based on information from Google Ads support, that these accounts are being placed under review, this time for a much longer duration, since some accounts may not be able to spend for weeks. Another support representative told me that the account is under verification “to prevent any overspending,” and that this limit should be lifted once the first payments are processed by Google Ads.

At the same time, I think Google anticipated that support requests would surge. As a result, for accounts classified as “at risk,” you now need to provide an ID and proof of address just to contact Google support by email. By the way, accounts that pass this KYC verification for Google Ads support are able to receive a human response from support, whereas without verification, a bot replies by email with generic statements. This is not a joke.

Is this also the case for agency accounts operating in the black hat space? Especially for this "new" daily limit spending ?

Thanks in advance.
 
I was really impressed by your thread. It helped me understand all the fundamentals I was curious about.

That said, I do have a question. I’m trying to run gambling-related ads in Korea, but even including gambling-related keywords gets the ads rejected right away or the account suspended.

Basically, no matter how well you prepare with white keywords or warm up the account, the moment you try to use blacklisted keywords, you get blocked instantly.

In this case, what would you recommend?

When I actually search, I do still see one or two Korean ads showing up.

Realistically, is this just too difficult?

If I can’t even use the keywords to begin with, then nothing really works, right?
 
So, Google Ads isn't showing any ads for some keywords. How can you overcome this problem? Broad match isn't working. I think it's a spam keyword.
 
Wow, this thread is something incredibly! How long are you in affilaite marketing and how had you knew about it? Also interesting if you are working solo or on team!

Is it Africe? Also, I know that a lof of affiliate make brand bidding! Are you selling brand traffic to brands or broad words?
 
Did you use certificates for the account to make the keys work better? I think certificates arent a magic solution and you can run without them too. Im curious about your opinion on them
 
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