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Are Lead Gen Sites Worth It?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Skynet1, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. kboxer7

    kboxer7 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Couple questions if you have the time.

    1. Page generator cloaked and routed to lander. Definitely familiar with this method. Old school haha. However, I have not found any of the old software on the market anymore for this. Care to share here or via DM where you get your IP database to route users vs search spiders and the page generator itself? Pretty sure I saw that even Shadowmaker is unavailable.
     
  2. theeyeinside

    theeyeinside Regular Member

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    NO.

    The is the way to waste time and money

    You have no product to sell

    Create your brand. It should be GENERIC and contain the word plumbing. MafiaPlumbing.com - "We make you an offer you can't refuse", "We make problems disappear", you get the idea.

    CREATE 3 or 4 sites FIRST

    Get leads FIRST

    Choose 3 or 4 plumbers and GIVE THEM THE LEADS for a week or two

    Then follow up and ask for a subscription - OR sell by lead OR ask for a percentage of sales

    If they aren't interested, find another plumber

    When you stop sending leads, then they get serious

    Also find a PLR product about plumbing to give away

    Also add an Amazon Store selling plumbing equipment, T-Shirts, Books, etc

    If you add articles about plumbing you might get approved to have adsense ads.

    Make your system to generate revenue even when no leads are coming in

    Plumbing is local, so you can do this in hundreds of cities and create an empire.

    Use the BHW services of a vendor and buy a Google Business Listing for the selected city.

    Sincerely,

    TheEye
     
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  3. Holzr

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    Local lead generation can be extremely profitable. There's ~4500 cities in the US with 10,000-100,000 population. There's probably about 300+ home service industries, there's literally millions of possible combinations for niche + city.

    For SEO in some areas there is virtually 0 competition. Some of the sites sites ranking have very few backlinks or content and look like they were made in the 1990s.

    Another bonus is that even a 10 MS search term can be very profitable and bring you in $100+ a month in revenue. Monthly searches on keyword tools for local terms are wildly inaccurate. I tend to ignore it because it's wrong a lot of the time. I focus more on population of the city. If it's an evergreen niche like plumber or locksmith your pretty much guaranteed to have search demand despite tools showing 0 monthly searches. I see places with 100k pop. Show 0 monthly searches for some keywords which is impossible. Pick a city with 20k population or more and there will be demand for the niches like plumber and locksmith. I have Google search search showing me impression data of maybe 50 for one keyword in the last 28 days despite the keyword apparently having 0 MS.

    There's a lot of money to be made with local generation.

    The biggest threats are map pack, Google guaranteed/home service and Google ads which all take up a considerable amount of CTR. That being said, organic results aren't going away anytime soon and in many niche + city keywords I come across (smaller and more rural cities/suburbs) there aren't many/any Google ads running for specific keywords.

    Edit: lead generation as a whole is so broad and there's a lot of ways you could generate money by selling leads. Could be local, financial, insurance, health, lessons/courses/instructors/training.... The list is endless.
     
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  4. LeanLow

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    Maps is the main source of traffic for PPL, google has been cracking down on maps HARD this year, I'm doing both and I have to say affiliate > PPL.

    I read some replies and people are talking out of their ass, highly doubt any of them are doing PPL via SEO.

    DO NOT CREATE LEAD SITES FIRST, BEFORE GETTING A PARTNER.

    95% you'll be stuck with the site and no one wanting/qualified to buying your leads, when I started I thought everyone will want the leads so I worked on the sites first. Big mistake. 95% of local companies:

    1. Don't understand how it works and don't want to hear from you.
    2. Understand but are not qualified to handle them (doesn't pickup the phone, can't close, get over-booked.)

    For example we called 1k roofing companies and send 1k emails, only got a few partners out of those. Don't fall for the guru BS, it's way harder than affiliate, that's why we quit doing PPL and just maintain the sites we have currently.

     
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  5. qualityservice

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    Thanks for your detailed reply.

    Can you tell why there is a need to create 3 to 4 sites ? If we are creating a brand, we can send plumbing leads to anywhere in the world irrespective of the location. Or am I missing aomething?
     
  6. Skynet1

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    So i'm going to give it a shot with a mixture of a website/some small paid ads, but I'm stuck between 2 different niches, plumbing or dentists.

    Which would be more likely to purchase leads?
     
  7. fc-dh

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    I still use wpcloaker, been using it for years and it works like a charme, Dave is a member here i believe you should ask him about the tech stuff