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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Zekie, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. Zekie

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    I've been doing BJJ for about 6 months now and I love it but it's been a painful ride getting my body used to the abuse, getting in shape. Just thought that I would ask on the forum so that we could maybe keep one another motivated!

    I currently attend a Royce Gracie school and I'm not into the 'this school, that school' thing. I would however like to attend a Marcello Garcia school if one opened here locally for sure, I'm wanting to learn more of a pure jiu-jitsu than MMA and our school fits this very well, we train for street fighting more than MMA.

    Hope you are having a great day!

    Peace,
    Z
     
  2. JustUs

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    Nah. I just do Tae Kwon Do, Tang Su Do, Wadu Ru, and Shotokan with liberal helpings of Philippine Ninjutsu, Boxing, and Crazy thrown in.

    Notice that the first four are tournament/combat pairs/compliments of each other. Anything tournament is bad for the street. Anything street/survival will get you kicked out of the tournament. Anything you learn in the dojo is useless on the street or for survival.

    Your best all around is Akido. It is called a gentile art and is anything but gentile when you are on the wrong end.

    Your best teaching schools are not the big name brands.

    When you start, a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch. When you are learning, you then learn that a kick is only a kick if thrown a certain way. After you begin to reach mastery, a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch. It is called "No design, no conception." Those are the teachers you want - they teach you the basics and then tell you to ignore the forms.
     
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  4. Zekie

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    Yeah, I'm not into any of those because they are useless when a person throws you to the ground and puts you in a choke. I do see some usefulness in aikido though, definitely judo for the takedowns.

    Here's the common theme in 99% of the martial arts vs BJJ

    Get thrown to the ground, get choked out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQXlg7DksvY
     
  5. JustUs

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    Well now... If you think that getting thrown down and choked out is all martial arts can do, then you have not come across the proper sensei. All Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Russian, and mid east combat styles have ground techniques. Where do you think MMA, or even Brazillian Jujitsu is rooted? The reasons that all these styles have ground forms is because a serious fight will go to the ground. Going to the ground is not something unique to the modern world. There were times in the ancient world that the samurai went to ground fighting, though for the most part they were so stupid as to face another with a four foot razor blade. True martial arts is about the survivor because the loser is dead.

    This is a wikipedia blurb that shows the Japanese origin of Brazilian Jujitsu:
    "Brazilian jiu-jitsu was formed from Kodokan Judo ground fighting (newaza) fundamentals that were taught by a number of individuals including Takeo Yano, Mitsuyo Maeda and Soshihiro Satake. Brazilian jiu-jitsu eventually came to be its own art through the experiments, practices, and adaptation of judo through Carlos and Hélio Gracie, who passed their knowledge on to their extended family."

    I feel sorry for you because you are getting tied up into a false philosophy. The only way that you become a good fighter is to fight a lot. When you fight, you fight the way you train.

    This applies to all martial arts:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtq2yQGOyA0

    But have it your way.
     
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    I get this about once a month from someone in my professional network. Need to do this for halloween before I get too old for that shit haha.
     
  7. Zekie

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    Hi JustUs

    The title of the thread is "Anyone Do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu" if you don't then just keep scrolling. This isn't a 'evangelize your style' thread, thanks.

    I fight 3 times a week and I'd be happy to take on any martial artist at any level with only 6 months of BJJ training. Watch the link that I provided in my original reply where style after style of the traditional 'martial arts' are defeated, I could supply hundreds of those videos not just one, yet I've yet to see a karate, akido, krav maga, judo, etc. or any other form beat a decent jiu-jitsu practitioner. This isn't medieval times where people fight with swords so that is irrelevant.

    Judo and jiu-jitsu split apart and were recognized as separate forms in the 1950's and 1960's and only in the 1980's was jiu-jitsu recognized as a superior form because no hold barred tournament, after tournament the jiu jitsu practitioners went to the ground which rendered the other forms useless. I'm very well versed in martial art history and why spend my time learning an easily defeated form? We have guys that are 'black belts' in this, black belts in that, who cannot fight well outside the format taught at their gyms and unfortunately there is no 'format' in a street fight (the only place that matters) so their 'years' of training are just wasted time.

    Peace,
    Z
     
  8. BricksToWhips

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    Yes I used to train BJJ it is very tough
     
  9. Ray Rolls

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    LOL.. I have taken sambo, kickboxing, and Jiu Jitsu.. not "BJJ". I have also unfortunately been in a bunch of stupid nightlife inspired fights. Having trained in all three and not being too drunk has been a saving grace. I think the dude just us has to be trolling lmao because after reading through his post I am pretty certain he has never been in a fight let alone even pushed. I could be wrong but it's a funny read nonetheless. OP keep rolling and get some stand-up in the mix but your training will help you no matter what the altercation because most (not all) of the time there will be a clinch you can take advantage of.

    Best,
    Rolls
     
  10. JustUs

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    I will answer you and Ray Rolls right here. If you are ever in Salt Lake, let me know. Evangelize? Not at all. I am glad that you are versed in Martial Arts history because you would know that Judo came from Sumo. At the time this happened, two fat guys were not trying to push each other out of a ring. Sumo was combat wrestling in which greater weight was brought to bear to kill the opponent on the battle field. However, Sumo also came from Karate. Bushido is something else entirely.

    You are sitting here knocking something you know nothing about and speaking of this or that person's school. You are a part of a money making machine and are being manipulated into making another money for that person.

    While frowned on by many purists, the true martial artist is bound by no style. That some of my instructors were world class means nothing. The best training I ever had always came from the people that were little heard about. That A or B taught you anything means nothing because you are not A or B; you are you. You have your reactions and your psychology and physiology. Your body will react as your body will react.

    Yes, I have been in the ring a few times. Better than the ring was the fifteen years in prison in which I fought daily in a cage much smaller than an 8 foot boxing ring or an octagon. Many of those fights were serious and involved weapons. In my life, I have been in several thousand fights. I have lost a few here and there, but won more than I lost. My body is a mass of scars too. It is like I told you: you want to be a good fighter, you fight a lot. You fight and lose until you get good enough to win. That is training or no training. You will lose until you become good enough to stop losing. The price to learn is blood and pain. In every fight you enter, you are risking death. Death will become your friend.

    Training may shorten the losing cycle, but that will happen only after you forget what you learned. BJJ is billed as a combat style when it is a tournament style. Why do I say this? Because you are fighting under a set of rules. You train with those rules. When you fight, you will fight with those rules embedded in your mind. This is why street fighters are the most effective fighter on the street; they have no rules.

    This school, that school, this style, that style. pfft. It is only life and death. You are a pawn in a game.
     
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    Hey,
    My boyfriend currently starts practising Jiu Jitsu. I'm a little bit scared of this.. Is it more or less safe? What do you say about this martial art?
     
  12. Zekie

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    This is what you wrote in the first reply on the page, honestly, just move on, this thread is about BJJ, thanks. I used the evangelizing term properly I believe?

    If I'm in Salt Lake I WILL look you up and we can have a friendly rolling session, ok? I fight at 205, and I'll be happy to take you on in a no holds barred, no time limit format with 1 rule, no eye gouging.

    If we're honest, you can't possibly know about all of the 'major brands' because you would have to be attending all the 'major schools', but if would be so kind, please post all of the videos where "Tae Kwon Do, Tang Su Do, Wadu Ru, and Shotokan" win a fight against a decent BJJ practitioner I'd like to see all of them.

    I mentioned Royce Gracie in the thread because that's the name of the school that I go to "Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu" I wasn't dropping 'brands', Marcello Garcia is a 4 time World Champion and I have a ton of respect for him and his students, he trains straight Tournament Jiu Jitsu and frankly, he's probably the best pound for pound right now. 10th Planet is another major brand that has great schools out there.

    Here's a video of him (a lightweight) schooling Andre Arlovski, while giving up about 80 pounds:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVju68pMQ9Y

    But since we're on the subject, my instructor lived in Rio De Janero for 8 years (1994-2002) at the Gracie Academy and studied directly under Helio, while there he became good friends with Royce and Renner. From there he travelled the US with Royce doing seminars for 3 years, and his professional record was 70-3. Royce's school's are much different than other Gracie schools because Royce likes 'old school' jiu jitsu that was taught to be used on the street. He's very particular about teaching traditional jiu jitsu, even down to wearing only white gi's out of respect for the origin of the craft.

    I get it, you've trained in a bunch of different systems, great! But the purpose of this thread is BJJ, you are free to start other threads of your own, thanks again.

    Peace,
    Z
     
  13. Zekie

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    Great to hear Rolls! Marcello's school is right across from the Empire State bldg. Would like to visit there next time I'm in town, I see you are in NYC and have the cream of the crop available to you, wish I was younger and in your position!

    PEace,
    Z
     
  14. JustUs

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    Shotokan:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ywqKAnDJXE
    http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Lyoto-Machida

    Tae kwon do:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-SBwqbSaOo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BCKMA_DLfI

    Tae Kwon Do, Shotokan, and Judo:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkiNcnCA5M

    Akido:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLxNeikI8gc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaLqQrNsvKs

    Tang Su Do:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAGgBaeLo8

    Judo(Yoshida) vs. Jujitsu(Royce Gracie)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwMnKNNuDM

    Yoshida Chokes Out Royce
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vId1v6N0SEU

    Kazushi Sakuraba vs Royce Gracie TKO 8 (Gracie quits)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7MyoNBgqBI

    Tang Su Do and Tae Kwon Do are essentially the same art. The difference is in philosophy. This is true of Shotokan and Wadu.

    It is easy to show your students only your wins.

    Listen to one of the Gracies in the beginning of this video, he is telling you what I told you, even if he hawks his style:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJi4zGRMQHA

    I am more than happy to meet with you for a discussion should you come to SLC. Your rules are not accepted. PM me when ready.
     
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  15. Zekie

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    You're kidding right? Read the rules on your 'fights' "No punch and kick on ground. and pulling opponent into ground work is prohibited."

    Lyoto Machida is a BJJ black belt you idiot! (hint, he's from Brazil) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida

    9 year Black Belt Tae Kwon Do Instructor Practitioner Getting Beat By 1 Year BJJ Student:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swwLIRnRzbU

    Choked out again:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jPAxyDTcB0

    Tappped:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jPAxyDTcB0

    Blue Belt vs TKD Black Belt (choked out in 38 seconds)
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bjj+vs+taekwondo

    Here we go, the lame 'martial artist' fraud excuse "well I don't like those rules", quit wasting my time.

    Peace,
    Z
     
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    LOL, any time, any place, 1 rule: No eye gouging

    30 second choke out/tap out, max.

    Z
     
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  19. Zekie

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    I totally knew this was coming LOLOLOLOLOL!

    Thanks for the laugh!

    Peace,
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    I guess you missed that Lyoto Machida never went to the ground in what I presented. You also fail to notice that he identifies Shotokan as his style. I figured that you would dishonestly want to pick up on the BBJ.

    You want to go on about my rules. My rules are prison rules and street rules. This means no rules. No rules are not the rules you will accept. So please.

    I understand you defending your style and how you might feel that your style is slighted. Don't really much care. I started in martial arts at about five with Savate. I am nearly 60 and have both a heart and lung condition. I have been in more fights than I can count; both in and out of the ring. The very fact that you specify a rule shows what you fear. It would be used against you in a New York second. In every art there are some that are better than others and belts just don't count. I have seen white belts knock out black belts.

    What I am telling you, and you are too tied up in the myth and mystic, is that each style has its strength, and each style has it weakness. All people have their strengths and all have their weakness'. Your founder even states as much. Your founder, or whomever, also tells you that in a real confrontation nothing is predictable.

    You cannot accept that? That is your problem. I stand by my offer of a discussion in person. There will be no rules. I may or may not win.