Another Google Update on It's way

tglr said:
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me. I've gotten my fair share of hemorrhoids from previous Google Updates. And some of my sites had a bad experience in the current one. It's a never-ending rollercoaster.
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Just curious how did you get hemroids? LOL

Anyway they've changed something today, past few hours. Traffic patterns changed a lot.
 
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bartosimpsonio said:
Just curious how did you get hemroids? LOL

Anyway they've changed something today, past few hours. Traffic patterns changed a lot.
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That's a fair question lol. Not sure what I meant by that, what I was trying to say is: Google updates has ravished my anus before, as in, I've lost ranks. :p

Damn, of course they did. Welp, time to get the vaseline.
 
My shop has gone from triple digit sales per month to nothing since the update. I am getting about 40% less clicks but none of them are converting.

I've made about $1000 in sales since the update, so 10 days of basically nothing.

If this continues I will have to shut my website. I cannot do Google ads as my competitors are 2.5 billion dollar companies and they all manufacture their product down from the raw materials meaning they have larger margins to absorb ad costs. My product still costs more and I'm not even making it or spending money on ads. It would be 3x the price if i started to advertise. I was trying to save up money to start making my product but I didn't even get a chance to do that. My traffic only picked up 3 months ago (after the last update)

I have 2 other websites a part from my main one, one is a drop shipping store and the other is a services marketplace. One has tanked even more similiar to what i've seen on my main site, and the other that i've not put much effort into is climbing in impressions every day and slowly increasing in clicks.
 
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deft2g said:
My shop has gone from triple-digit sales per month to nothing since the update. I am getting about 40% fewer clicks but none of them are converting.

I've made about $1000 in sales since the update, so 10 days of basically nothing.

If this continues I will have to shut my website. I cannot do Google ads as my competitors are 2.5 billion dollar companies and they all manufacture their product down from the raw materials meaning they have larger margins to absorb ad costs. My product still costs more and I'm not even making it or spending money on ads. It would be 3x the price if i started to advertise. I was trying to save up money to start making my product but I didn't even get a chance to do that. My traffic only picked up 3 months ago (after the last update)

I have 2 other websites a part from my main one, one is a drop shipping store and the other is a services marketplace. One has tanked even more similiar to what i've seen on my main site, and the other that i've not put much effort into is climbing in impressions every day and slowly increasing in clicks.
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Sorry but to me your post makes no sense.

Google update aside: Your selling 100+ items a month. Your competitors are billion dollar companies (I think everyone has one of them as a competitor) so despite them having a lower costing product and your pricing is higher people are still buying from you?

So you either are making money or you are not - if you can't spend on ads from having 100+ sales a month from organic traffic because the costs are too much then you need to re-evaluate your business model or you're over heads are way too high.

Sounds like you are killing your own business by devaluing it and selling something without understanding all the costs involved.

Also, Google isn't there to hold your hand and make your business work, that's on you. If you close you just make way for someone else with more drive and determination to make it work.
 
not sure , this Google date also affect google Adsense , a lot claim ads never show out and some claim less ad
 
t2van said:
Sorry but to me your post makes no sense.

Google update aside: Your selling 100+ items a month. Your competitors are billion dollar companies (I think everyone has one of them as a competitor) so despite them having a lower costing product and your pricing is higher people are still buying from you?

So you either are making money or you are not - if you can't spend on ads from having 100+ sales a month from organic traffic because the costs are too much then you need to re-evaluate your business model or you're over heads are way too high.

Sounds like you are killing your own business by devaluing it and selling something without understanding all the costs involved.

Also, Google isn't there to hold your hand and make your business work, that's on you. If you close you just make way for someone else with more drive and determination to make it work.
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They are buying because I managed to out rank some of them. And my prices are not too much higher, perhaps 15-20% (And that is only because I don't do any ad spend)

Without increasing my product costs drastically I cannot run Google ads. It will not work at all. Everyone else has 60%+ profit margins as they are also manufacturers, whereas I buy mine from a manufacturer.

I started the business on the premise that I can make 500-1mil in a few years then fund a manufacturing plant with that. If you are starting from nothing you unfortunately have no other choice mate. To enter into an industry with already established players there are barriers to entry that they themselves have put up, such as competitive pricing advantages due to investing into manufacturing.

If I am able to control production and be on an equal playing field to competitors, then it is no problem. I don't need any organic Google search traffic at all, I can run ads just like they are. But to get to that point it requires at least half a million IN.

I started a few drop shipping websites aside from my main focus, but they are all seeing big declines in search traffic. Same premise with those, the drop shipper themselves have bought out some of their main retailers. They still drop ship but they run agressive ads and can absorb that because they source or make their product directly, whereas i resell theirs. It's all about getting an advantage.

So yes, looks like I might have gotten into this too late. My strategy solely involved SEO as that is what i taught myself to do over the past 1.5 years. It was the only way to create a business without any startup costs. (A drop shipping store, or a service such as a skill you have / profession). I was trying to make enough money and then source or make my product and not have to rely on Google search at all. Looks like I might have to go work for someone for a decade to save up the amount needed to do it, but in 10 years things will drastically change once again. back to the drawing board (unless the Google AI re blesses me with sales, at the moment it is complete zombie traffic). If you don't have a market advantage or at least on an equal playing field to competitors you will not make it, unless you have some exploit or hack to get around that (such as SEO and FREE organic traffic!).
 
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kromik100 said:
I'd never post anything that I haven't personally tested or experienced - either from over 10 years in the industry, handling over 1000 clients, or results shared from our own A/B single variable tests. Would be great to hear how many from this thread could say the same.

Oh and btw, we did a A/B single variable test on Reddit links just a few weeks ago, seems like you asked that question on another thread. Our results showed no significance when we only rested Reddit links vs. no links (Meaning that the no-follow links had no value), but with 5 PBN links vs. 5 PBN links (The same) + Reddit link, the variations with the Reddit link won with huge significance. That's a good explanation of what we do - we back our decisions by data, instead of risking our SEO clients on polls from a shady online forum.
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interested to know your thoughts on josh bachynski and his single variable testing models/results
 
tglr said:
That's a fair question lol. Not sure what I meant by that, what I was trying to say is: Google updates has ravished my anus before, as in, I've lost ranks. :p

Damn, of course they did. Welp, time to get the vaseline.
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I've luckily kept my ass safe from Google all these years. I only use vaseline on my truck parts.

RStar66 said:
Jip, I've also seen some changes.
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WIZDAHL said:
Yes, things have changed again.
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Yeah, something's up. Their initial update is ranking a lot of nonsense when you search for more difficult keywords.


deft2g said:
My shop has gone from triple digit sales per month to nothing since the update. I am getting about 40% less clicks but none of them are converting.
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That's the point of google updates. They want free content you produce for them to rank but not commercial traffic. If it sells, then every update will come after you until you buy more and more adwords.

The point of google updates is not the quality of search, but Google's bottom line.

YujinTan said:
not sure , this Google date also affect google Adsense , a lot claim ads never show out and some claim less ad
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It's not about adsense, it's always (read again always, every update) about commercial intent. Searches for commercial intent get harder and harder. The searches where you'd get ad clicks have commercial intent, so with every update google will perfect their algo to come after those.

The clicks that are left to the content network are the ones where Google did not initially detect commercial intent. Guy was reading about Shakespeare, got to your site, and there he saw an ad for a new game and clicked on it. Google could not detect that initially, so they let you have the visitor. Otherwise they'd have kept the visitor within google by showing results straight up on serps or embedding your content in their own screen somehow.

The purpose of google updates is to make sure commercial intent goes to adwords and everything else goes to search.

When Google finishes an update, they immediately look at the adwords sales. If the update increases ad sales, it was a success. To increase ad sales they need to take commercial traffic away from you.

That's what google updates are all about and nothing else. Everything else is just meant to keep the customers from moving to bing or something. All they say about content quality is only meant for that, to keep customers using google search. Everything else is about ad sales. Google updates are ad sales updates.
 
Let's hope they keep doing that. Don't buy adwords, and pretty soon searchers will catch on that every website they find in Google (ads) are over priced because they have to incorporate the ad costs into their product. Word will slowly spread that they can get better deals by searching around. Soon it will be common knowledge to avoid ads completely unless you want to pay more in your product! Simple, they will kill their own product, help educate everyone you know about it. Soon Google will fall. Give it 5-10 years max and Googles ad revenue will drop like a sack of shit because they got too greedy :)

If Google ceases to provide value to it's users then they will stop existing. Or at least become much less popular, at least for commercial intent queries.

Amazon has probably already stolen a huge swathe of that traffic, users simply start their search on Amazon.
 
deft2g said:
Let's hope they keep doing that. Don't buy adwords, and pretty soon searchers will catch on that every website they find in Google (ads) are over priced because they have to incorporate the ad costs into their product. Word will slowly spread that they can get better deals by searching around. Soon it will be common knowledge to avoid ads completely unless you want to pay more in your product! Simple, they will kill their own product, help educate everyone you know about it. Soon Google will fall. Give it 5-10 years max and Googles ad revenue will drop like a sack of shit because they got too greedy :)

If Google ceases to provide value to it's users then they will stop existing. Or at least become much less popular, at least for commercial intent queries.

Amazon has probably already stolen a huge swathe of that traffic, users simply start their search on Amazon.
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Googles entire business has been moving in the last 5 years to keep people on Google. Why do you think the rich snippet boxes and all that came up and all the AI changes. Not to mention when you search for time, weather, exchange rates or anything like that the results are there in the search rather than clicking on a site.

Of course, they want businesses to PAY to be seen thats the entire business model right there. IF they took all businesses out of organic search and replaced it with someone else I'm there would be a swing in what people would be using for an everyday search.

This is why just like building a business on eBay, or Amazon you should not rely on JUST once a source of income or source of advertising because when something happens that is out of your control your business is gone overnight. It's better to have various marketplaces/channels/revenue streams both on and offline so you have something to fall back on.
 
bartosimpsonio said:
I've luckily kept my ass safe from Google all these years. I only use vaseline on my truck parts.





Yeah, something's up. Their initial update is ranking a lot of nonsense when you search for more difficult keywords.




That's the point of google updates. They want free content you produce for them to rank but not commercial traffic. If it sells, then every update will come after you until you buy more and more adwords.

The point of google updates is not the quality of search, but Google's bottom line.



It's not about adsense, it's always (read again always, every update) about commercial intent. Searches for commercial intent get harder and harder. The searches where you'd get ad clicks have commercial intent, so with every update google will perfect their algo to come after those.

The clicks that are left to the content network are the ones where Google did not initially detect commercial intent. Guy was reading about Shakespeare, got to your site, and there he saw an ad for a new game and clicked on it. Google could not detect that initially, so they let you have the visitor. Otherwise they'd have kept the visitor within google by showing results straight up on serps or embedding your content in their own screen somehow.

The purpose of google updates is to make sure commercial intent goes to adwords and everything else goes to search.

When Google finishes an update, they immediately look at the adwords sales. If the update increases ad sales, it was a success. To increase ad sales they need to take commercial traffic away from you.

That's what google updates are all about and nothing else. Everything else is just meant to keep the customers from moving to bing or something. All they say about content quality is only meant for that, to keep customers using google search. Everything else is about ad sales. Google updates are ad sales updates.
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Finally someone speaking the truth about google. Everything google does whether small or big, is to generate more revenue. They want us to spend on ads and thats what it has always been about.
 
After this core update, my 2 main health websites also hit hard. I was at the top for a long time before this update. Now they dropped down to the 4th-5th page. I'm just silently watching and gathering information about what they changed or focused.
 
Hii,
Because the last Google Core Update my traffic drop like crazy. It's funny
 
fb3003 said:
interested to know your thoughts on josh bachynski and his single variable testing models/results
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Not the person you asked, but I'm a big fan of josh bachynski. Everybody should be running their own tests.
 
bartosimpsonio said:
SEO is zero sum as long as the number of keywords is finite.

With infinite keywords, it's not zero sum. You can lose 1 position to a kw but earn 1000 on different combinations that others haven't thought of.
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There are not infinitely many keywords.

More importantly, there are not infinitely many searches per month. The finite monthly searches generate a finite number of clicks. So some websites getting more of those clicks means others are getting fewer. Hence, zero sum.
 
I lozt 50% of what remain from august update. Basically i lost 75% of my traffic since august.
My website is in health niche and now im outranked by sipe garbish forum posts and soe big mag with little to no content and ip ine 2 and 3 page.

I have only one question. Where is the logic here and how do you benefit users by tanked websites specialiste in one niche with great content 2000words with images and videos. Speed. Https clean theme to outrank them by some littles old blogs and forums and some big magazine with 200 words and no ux or anything!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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