[ANNOUNCEMENT] New WTB and HAF Rules

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Jr. vips aren't limited to their hiring options.

There are plenty of jr vips who want to be hired and will post in the HAF section. There isn't a shortage of jr. vips on this forum. Or any other type of paid members.

If yesterday you could choose blue and yellow, now you can choose only blue - how your options are not limited?

I had full time VA, she got $150-200 a month and she was happy with that. Most jrvips wont be interested to work full time for such money and most people from poor countries wont be able to buy paid membership to be able to reply to thread in HAF section.

New rules block jrivps from hiring such cheap workers at BHW (and force to look for such workers at upwork etc), at same time new rules shorten options for people from such poor countries to earn first bucks as freelancer here at BHW. And thats moment when its starting to look more like business than forum.

I made my first bucks online by responding to some guy here in HAF section, i made for him att.net accounts in bulk , it was 6 years ago. I made like 50 bucks and i could buy my first tools with that.... and thats why i love this place, it gave me option to start, but new rules block easy options to start...

Lets say im jrvip, and i need 100 fiverr reviews, im willing to pay $1 per review. How many paid members will be interested in this work? How many non-paid members will be interested? So either i need to raise my buidget and pay more to make jrvips interested in this, or because of new rules look elsewhere.

Maybe there should be 2 sections in HAF:
Up to $X gigs - where X can be 5, 10, 15 or 25 - thats up to Mods. Here everyone could reply, even non paid members.
Gigs over $X - here only paid members could reply.

Someone is looking to make $5-10 - no need to force him to upgrade to paid member status. When someone is looking for $5 work he wont have $97 for paid member status so he wont upgrade anyway.

Someone is looking to make over $X per gig - upgrade to paid member status to offer your services.
 
@satyr85 - you're missing the point. It's never been allowed for yellow members to sell their services in the freelancer section. It's always supposed to have been for people with sales threads to promote it there.

When we moved over, it got abused by hundreds of people with brand new accounts and zero interest in the forum or it's community.

Every single thread would attract loads of replies and PM's with "I can do this, Skype me".

It became a huge mess, people were breaking the rules and other people were getting ripped off.

Selling outside the marketplace is against the rules for exactly this reason. We put some measure of protection in for our members with the mod reviews and making sellers invest money into starting a service here. Doing this means they have a stake in their account and reputation.

When people can get banned for scamming, then re-register and start selling again immediately, there's no incentive for them to provide a good service.

The Premium and Jr VIP members have paid money to be able to advertise in their signatures or go through a rigorous review to open a marketplace thread. Its not fair to ask them to invest this time and money into proving themselves if any member can just spam the HAF forum to poach their business.
 
@satyr85 - you're missing the point. It's never been allowed for yellow members to sell their services in the freelancer section. It's always supposed to have been for people with sales threads to promote it there.

When we moved over, it got abused by hundreds of people with brand new accounts and zero interest in the forum or it's community.

Every single thread would attract loads of replies and PM's with "I can do this, Skype me".

It became a huge mess, people were breaking the rules and other people were getting ripped off.

Selling outside the marketplace is against the rules for exactly this reason. We put some measure of protection in for our members with the mod reviews and making sellers invest money into starting a service here. Doing this means they have a stake in their account and reputation.

When people can get banned for scamming, then re-register and start selling again immediately, there's no incentive for them to provide a good service.

The Premium and Jr VIP members have paid money to be able to advertise in their signatures or go through a rigorous review to open a marketplace thread. Its not fair to ask them to invest this time and money into proving themselves if any member can just spam the HAF forum to poach their business.

There can be a separate section for such jobs which need large number of people to complete the job.

Rules -

1. Members who post job in this section won't be protected by the 'Shit list'.
2. Minimum post requirements.
3. Only jobs accepted are which require cheap manual tasks.


But again, it is likely this section would turn into the old 'Hire a Freelancer' section and the effort would be pointless. Or it may not since the buyer isn't protected by Shit List'.

Although for now, it would be best to see for a while with the new system. I am sure BHW team will come up with some solution for some issues that might come.
 
If yesterday you could choose blue and yellow, now you can choose only blue - how your options are not limited?

I had full time VA, she got $150-200 a month and she was happy with that. Most jrvips wont be interested to work full time for such money and most people from poor countries wont be able to buy paid membership to be able to reply to thread in HAF section.

New rules block jrivps from hiring such cheap workers at BHW (and force to look for such workers at upwork etc), at same time new rules shorten options for people from such poor countries to earn first bucks as freelancer here at BHW. And thats moment when its starting to look more like business than forum.

I made my first bucks online by responding to some guy here in HAF section, i made for him att.net accounts in bulk , it was 6 years ago. I made like 50 bucks and i could buy my first tools with that.... and thats why i love this place, it gave me option to start, but new rules block easy options to start...

Lets say im jrvip, and i need 100 fiverr reviews, im willing to pay $1 per review. How many paid members will be interested in this work? How many non-paid members will be interested? So either i need to raise my buidget and pay more to make jrvips interested in this, or because of new rules look elsewhere.

Maybe there should be 2 sections in HAF:
Up to $X gigs - where X can be 5, 10, 15 or 25 - thats up to Mods. Here everyone could reply, even non paid members.
Gigs over $X - here only paid members could reply.

Someone is looking to make $5-10 - no need to force him to upgrade to paid member status. When someone is looking for $5 work he wont have $97 for paid member status so he wont upgrade anyway.

Someone is looking to make over $X per gig - upgrade to paid member status to offer your services.
Totally agree with you. BHW is now Business than Forum.
 
I really don't understand why are people complaining. @BassTrackerBoats has better things to do instead of cleaning shitlist mess every day. He is not a maid! If average user was a bit more careful, we wouldn't need rules like this.

Information and buying is available for free.
Earning money directly on forum shouldn't be free.
 
@Apricot thanks for this, i see your point but please take a look at this:

New rules forbrid jrvips to hire non-jrvips in HAF section, and thats what i dont understand, if jrvip need cheap $2 work done why tell him "sorry, you can deal only with other jrvips"?

I think paid members should have right to hire non-paid members in HAF section, lets say someone join BHW and is looking to outsource work - he can use services in BST, he can hire jrvips in HAF or he can upgrade to paid member status and hire non-jrvip members if thats his wish.

Right to hire yellow members in HAF could be another reason to upgrade to paid member status.
 
One of the things that used to annoy me massively was the "jack of all trades" responders. The ones who just joined and could build a website, code a bot, get your website to position one, provide leads, create social media accounts etc

This was always a huge red flag IMO and I have reported people for responding to any and every WTB & HAF thread in the space of 20 minutes.

At least the new rules will stop this from happening!
 
One of the things that used to annoy me massively was the "jack of all trades" responders. The ones who just joined and could build a website, code a bot, get your website to position one, provide leads, create social media accounts etc

This was always a huge red flag IMO and I have reported people for responding to any and every WTB & HAF thread in the space of 20 minutes.

At least the new rules will stop this from happening!

Do you mean like @israinsolutions ?
 
Right to hire yellow members in HAF could be another reason to upgrade to paid member status.

Up until now, some random person could join BHW at no cost, make zero contribution to the forum and offer their products/services to other members. Often they would undercut or take business away from paid Market Place sellers. This was bad for BHW as a business and the decision that has been taken makes perfect sense.

When I look at the WTB/HAW, I see too many people with fresh accounts who I think are just here to scam or con people. This completely kills the integrity of those forums and I am confident to say many people take their business elsewhere as a result.
 
@satyr85 Again, bitch until you are blue in the face. Run yourself in circles. When you finish, you still need to pay the fee to post in those sections.

No one cares about your perceived injustices. @Apricot just said that section was never meant for yellow members to advertise their services. @I know SEO just told another member your opinions don't matter; that's just the way it is now.

Forums change. Sites change. People change. This is inevitable. This forum isn't the way it was 6 years ago, and for good reason.

If newbies need startup money, there are plenty of methods on here to help them with that.

If jr vips want cheap labor, there are plenty of resources available to them. Cheap labor isn't restricted to yellow members. Plenty of paid members offer cheap labor.

English, man. Do you speak it? Can you understand it? Do you have trouble comprehending it?

Do we need to draw pictures for you? How plain can we make it?
 
I dont think there is right on BHW to insult other member in this way.

She's using it as a verb, not a noun.

bitch verb http://dictionary.cambridge.org/help/codes.html
UK /bɪtʃ/ US /bɪtʃ/ informal: To http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/complain and make http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/unkind http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/remark about someone or something:

She's always bitching about Tanya.
 
@alwaysinvisible

I was blue and i was running BST before you joined the forum - https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/zebroid4-site-generator.445601/


I dont think there is right on BHW to insult other member in this way. We may have different views, ways of thinking but we can still express it without showing disrespect to other member, but its my point of view, your probably depend on what kind of person you are.

@alwaysinvisible wasn't insulting, the context which she used that term means to complain until you are blue in the face.

Bitching=complaining
 
@alwaysinvisible

I was blue and i was running BST before you joined the forum - https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/zebroid4-site-generator.445601/


I dont think there is right on BHW to insult other member in this way. We may have different views, ways of thinking but we can still express it without showing disrespect to other member, but its my point of view, your probably depend on what kind of person you are.

I wasn't calling you a bitch. I said you CAN bitch. Bitch, as in whine, moan, complain.

I don't care how long you've been here. The amount of fucks I give can be measured in multiples of zero.
 
It's done guys! The rules are here to stay. The thread was meant to notify members about new rules, although I myself did try to give suggestions, but that isn't purpose of this thread. And a discussion here is pointless and is likely to cause a rift between members.

Use this section if you have any suggestions/feedback - https://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/forum-suggestions-feedback.26/
 
As anew member I dont mind becoming a jr vip to sell. Bhw might as will get a cut if I am allowed to make money here
 
Total nonsense.
You guys are going to kill both subforums.
Posting there gets you a tons of replies with diffrent kind of people.The diversity of these people make these both boards unique since you can find really anything you desire because of it.
Now you limit it to a small group who will have only basic most demanded staff killing the diversity what made that place unique.

If you are concerned about people getting scammed just close the board and the problem will be solved.

Babysitting from BHW gets way to far .
People call some yellow members bad names if they are not able or unwilling to spend for the Jr VIP membership maybe we should say that people who are getting scammed should change their "business" if they are not able to protect themself and are dependent on babysitting at the expense of others
 
Total nonsense.
You guys are going to kill both subforums

The forum has been around for years before you joined, it survived pretty well before with these rules in place, I'm sure it will survive for a long time to come.

If you had been around longer than just over a week then you would know that many of the threads in these sections have led to members being scammed.

In any business, advertising rarely comes free anyway.
 
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