Amazon Joint Venture...

The problem is he was paid 100$ for each site he built. That is what the Magnito Stores are built for in the BST anyway. It didn't sound bad at first, he was going to do 100 and do all the SEO with the intention of flipping once they made a little money.

The problem is he offered another 50 here and another 100 on Warrior Forum. I don't know how he figures he can drive traffic to 250 sites at the same time unless he has a big team. He already made his money to build the sites and it appears that our affiliate links are not on the sites so he is making all the money from the clicks instead of half and if and when they are sold we have to count on him to make things right.

So far I have lost faith in this JV, it seems he made his money building the sites and moved on for the most part.

You can not compare this to the services being sold on BSTs. The ones on BST are being sold for slightly cheaper with far better quality.

Are you sure he switched your affiliate links??

Briansstocks said:

The problem is he was paid 100$ for each site he built. That is what the Magnito Stores are built for in the BST anyway. It didn't sound bad at first, he was going to do 100 and do all the SEO with the intention of flipping once they made a little money.

The problem is he offered another 50 here and another 100 on Warrior Forum. I don't know how he figures he can drive traffic to 250 sites at the same time unless he has a big team. He already made his money to build the sites and it appears that our affiliate links are not on the sites so he is making all the money from the clicks instead of half and if and when they are sold we have to count on him to make things right.

So far I have lost faith in this JV, it seems he made his money building the sites and moved on for the most part.

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Well sites don't even load so I don't think he made any money by switching our affiliate links.

forlearnx said:

You can not compare this to the services being sold on BSTs. The ones on BST are being sold for slightly cheaper with far better quality.

Are you sure he switched your affiliate links??

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On 28 November when i talked to him he showed me this
https://bitly.com/SR7kZ2+
so he could drive traffic and switch the codes i guess without us noticing it

I spoke with him on November 10th and he said he was having server problems. He posted the same thing here also.

I don't know if my links were ever on the sites except I recieved 1 click on 1 of my tracking ID's. I don't know how to see a cloacked link to check on if they are on the sites or what.

Just dont seem likely that 5 sites would only get 1 click in months when my crappy amazon sites I built get clicks and I havent done anything with them for 2 years, and they are nowhere close to ranking.

Alright guys!!!
before I start anything, I'd request only the investors to post in here and not the ones who were never a part of it. I am just avoiding them not because I don't want to face any questions it's just that they will not be aware of the facts, for example: someone here talked about the sites being on Wordpress and not magneto,if you are part of this jv, you would know that an email was sent to all participating members regarding the issues being faced and hence changing to shopperpress at the last moment.

This jv never was meant to be a scam, and its not a scam even now. If I were to scam, I would have not come here openly and post my reply. Yes, the sites are down but am I 100% responsible for them being down? I can authorise a mod to view in my email inbox where a number of emails in response to the support tickets can be found. I am working my ass off to get them online. In fact many of the sites have come online and many of them are still offline, thanks to the corrupt backup provided by hostwinds.

People claim that no SEO was performed on the sites but some link reports were sent to respective jv members and many sites started ranking as well. It was the google EMD update that washed away all the rankings. There are just a couple of members who say they never received any click, but most of them received clicks by the end of oct. they were all from SEO, the sites went down in November.

It was said that there was lack of commitment from my side, but I'd like to ask, leaving the past couple of weeks, has there been any miscommunication from my side? I was always there on Skype to answer all the queries and even took suggestions. Thetechguy posted here, I'd like to ask him did I ever not respond to your queries? Did I not ask for suggestions on what to do after that google update?

its not just about one person, but there are many who were and even are in regular touch with me regarding on how to proceed to get traffic.

Winchestor/Adam knows I sent 13k visits to his sites which brought just a couple clicks. I have been doing a lot of things on your sites individually and all you know that. Can't you guys kindly take the presumption that if he is working on one method for my site, he might also be working on different sites from other people as well.

I agree you people sent me the money, but can you guys honestly deny my commitment in this jv???

i'd again say, this never was and this isn't a scam attempt at all. If I were to scam you, I would not have come here to defend myself. I am here because I know that my intentions are right. It is just case of a plan going not the right way.

I would have appreciated if instead of coming here, you people would have come to me and gave me support to get the sites to make money. In fact in one of my emails, I did mention that I need your help and support to make things work after the google update thing, but I did not get any back from majority of you.

Anyways, in the pm I received fom bz, he asked for a resolution from me. When this jv started, in the talks, everyone asked if the sites don't make any money, then what to do? And to everyone my response was, AT THE END OF 6 MONTHS, if the sites don't make any money, we will flip them and even if they don't sell, I will keep them and refund your 100 USD per site. So, staying at the initial commitment, if the sites don't sell after 6 months, I will be paying you the 100usd per site myself and will keep the sites. If any of you don't want to deal with me anymore, I understand your frustration and can forward you the domain and you can get the site to work on your own, I don't mind that.

I hope I have cleared everything in here. All the jv members are welcome to post here. Please refrain from posting if you are not a part of this jv.


thanks,

Sunny

I am very much interested in this but i cant take more then one site at a time let me know if that's ok with you

Oh 6 months ??

I have been in this jv for over 4 MONTHS!!! No profit so far , just some random clicks.

NO SEO, NO RANKING OF THE SITES , NOT INDEXED EVEN ON GOOGLE.

For over a month now sites are down and you cant move them to a better host??? Screw hostwinds they are down , move the sites to another host , why arent you ding this? You say you work on things but why dont you just move to another host???

And again if you see my previous posts on this thread i posted a link to a thread where the OP there shows how he makes money with amazon sites , with an investment of 84$ per site and makes 40$ in 7 days , SO NO MORE EXCUSES!

I have given enough time to this jv and its proven incompetence , i want my money back , what i invested 200$ and you keep the sites and do whatever you want with them.

Transparency:

_Sunny_ said:

Hey mate! Thanks for the message. This indeed is not at all planned for scamming etc. I am not going to ruin all my rep built here in last 3 years. I am not at my PC right now, will be posting in the thread in the evening for sure. And yes, I will definitely think over a good resolution which is acceptable to the members who are not happy right now.

Thanks,

Sunny

bz said:

Participate in your JV thread or be banned. I want to see a resolution from you, either refunds or some other arrangements that pleases your investors. I've seen several samples of the sites you provided and they're all shit quality. I've also seen traffic stats and seo reports showing a defined lack of any actual work performed. You have until Monday to get the ball rolling on making things right.

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As an addition to what's been said, there are some details that need addressing.

As I said in the PM, these sites are terrible quality. I'm well aware that it doesn't have to look stunning to make money, but that would've been my first indicator of how solid of a concept this was.

I know most of the domains were moved from hostwinds to your own server on, or around, November 27th. That is where a lot of the domains are pointing now, and the site content does not exist so most of them are 404'd. These brings about 2 further issues.

First, what exactly do you think happens when there's a DNS update, and the new server doesn't have any content? One of the quickest ways to erase serp rank. Also, your DNS isn't even set up properly on that server, try adding A records instead of just blind transferring. The issues with the host may have been out of your control, but why weren't there backups being performed by you or your staff? You were the managing partner of the JV, in order to do this properly there are responsibilities that need to be attended to.

Second, in this post you claim the clicks are being sent directly to the amazon affiliate links instead of bouncing through the site first. You're claiming that you're sending paid traffic directly to an amazon affiliate link. That's a horrible idea for many reasons. It's a good way to lose an amazon account if you actually start earning, there is no valid tracking sitewise, and you're forced to trust a paid traffic provider and their platform. You can't legitimately guarantee that real traffic was actually sent, so your claims of little to no traffic being "practically not possible" doesn't have merit.

Another, more important issue: I've been shown details by a member involved in this JV that bring to light a very serious issue. His site, which is one of the few that's still up, is using an Amazon tracking ID that isn't his, and I've seen his account so I know it's not his. Somehow this members site is pointing to someone else's link. This is either a huge screw up, or deliberate fraud.

I would suggest buying out anyone that requests it, addressing the issues with what appears to be you defrauding your partners, and with alacrity. Hiding behind a 6 month clause when you've clearly fucked up the entire concept isn't going to fly. Do the right thing or lose your head.

bz said:

I would suggest buying out anyone that requests it, addressing the issues with what appears to be you defrauding your partners, and with alacrity. Hiding behind a 6 month clause when you've clearly fucked up the entire concept isn't going to fly. Do the right thing or lose your head.

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Sunny,

If you decide to follow bz's advice, I would appreciate if I were one of the investors that you buy out.

Thanks.

I will also take the buy out. Lets be realistic here, this is not fixable. 250 sites that I know of is to much for just about anyone.

Regards

Lets be honest here, these sites are not gonna make any money. Buying PTC traffic to show you are making efforts in driving traffic to our sites doesn't prove anything because that traffic doesn't convert. Even my affiliate links aren't set correctly FFS. Please return my money. I have had enough. No longer interested in this JV. Please keep the sites with yourself and do whatever you want with them.

Thank you for your time.

My site also didn't make any money in the past 4 months and i asked for a refund long back hope _sunny_ will either flip or keep the sites with himself and pay out my 100$.....

Normally i am not one for tolerating delays or bad service or no replies as it is generally a good sign of a scam.

However, in this instance i do not think that he is deliberately trying to scam people. I do think he needs some assistance on the technical side.
I was happy with my sites and i checked all the links he provided on his seo report - they were all ok, i even got a sale.

Is there anyone out there who can assist him on the technical side and give him
1. A step by step guide on how to resolve the issue with hostwinds
2. Some useful suggestions as to how to get sales.

No one is going to get a refund anytime soon - so we might as well try and make it work in the interim.

I'm a Part of this Jv too, I was very patient that Sunny might do something that was Promised for the Past 4 months.
Which actually hasn't happened and not anymore.
If this JV is a complete Flop, Just Refund the money and Keep the sites with yourself.

gingerbuzz said:

Normally i am not one for tolerating delays or bad service or no replies as it is generally a good sign of a scam.

However, in this instance i do not think that he is deliberately trying to scam people. I do think he needs some assistance on the technical side.
I was happy with my sites and i checked all the links he provided on his seo report - they were all ok, i even got a sale.

Is there anyone out there who can assist him on the technical side and give him
1. A step by step guide on how to resolve the issue with hostwinds
2. Some useful suggestions as to how to get sales.

No one is going to get a refund anytime soon - so we might as well try and make it work in the interim.

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He is supposed to know how to bring in the sales since he opened this JV , that is not our responsibility.You want a guide , go search bhw there are numerous useful info and guides on how to make money from amazon sites.The important thing is you need to rank the sites , he did nothing at all to rank mine sites so that is no surprise that there are no earnings.

Now , based on the info from bz , these crappy sites definitely didnt cost 100$ each , so that means he has the money and is just bullshitting around with us.Plus no SEO was ever made.Also bz said he put another affiliate link on one of the sites so that could mean he is screwing us and getting the affiliate commission all for himself.

FINAL WARNING TO SUNNY

GIVE ME MY MONEY , 200$ , OR ELSE I WILL HAVE TO TAKE MEASURES AGAINST YOU (SHITLIST , CC CHARGEBACK , REPORT FOR ELECTRONIC CRIMINAL THEFT-FRAUD)

I'm a part of this JV. I bought 3 sites for $300 but Sunny fails to deliver it to me. He promised me to refund me in full on 29 Nov, but I still haven't got the refund.
I have been traveling for the past few months so I just manage to contact him several times for the delay in delivery and he just kept replying with more excuses.

Hey guys!

I have been touch with many of you on skype and as mentioned in skype chats, I was working on a middle path which works for both the investors and me as well. I have already spent $$ that I got plus some more money put in from my pocket, so its not feasible for me to buy out the sites or offer refunds at this moment. But I don't want to run away with a bad name either.
As per discussion with some JV members, it was suggested that we all help each other to promote the sites. For next 1-2 months, I will make 3 of my staff members work fulltime on the sites (its not 250 anyway), and they will do what the members decide for particular sites. Also, I will not take any share of income for the said period.

Regarding bz's comment about the affiliate links not matching, here's a quote from the mail I sent to all the members on 2nd Nov

"Another thing I'd request you is to check your sites and match the tracking ID used on the site with the one you gave me while getting into this JV, so that nobody loses his/her earnings."

The links which bz saw might just be some mistake by the developer, and there's no intention of stealing the income.
Another thing I'd like to add is when bz said that the sites are shitty, people started complaining that the sites are shitty.
Everyone knows the layout of their sites since 3 months, why din't anyone complain about it then?

For mutual benefit of all, I request everyone to join hands and get the things rolling ASAP.

Also,I am consistently eating the heads of support staff at Hostwinds and Asmallorange to get the sites up asap.

@Videz, I will be sending you a PM with your sites.