AMA about PBNs (setup, footprints, things to avoid, et al.)

Jesus i'm using GSC for all my PBN's lol.
Guess i should delete it now ?

Eh, yes. Unless you use a separate GSC for every PBN. But even then, what's the point of having your PBN in GSC? ;)
 
Are you buying external directory page links for your PBN's? Or other types of links? What do you recommend?
 
Are you buying external directory page links for your PBN's? Or other types of links? What do you recommend?

Nah, never used directory pages. As previously mentioned, we use mostly rental static links. We may add a few low-mid tier contextual outreach links (DR10-DR40) into the mix, if the link profile demands it and we can get them for under $50 per pop. We may use manually crafted tier 2 web 2.0s with local markers for local campaigns. That's about it.

Most of the time the link profile should be strong enough to support one single linked paged. If not we add some of the above.
 
Real pbn are over 200+ da, those little da pbn you need in set of x10 in your niche.

Ppl are paying 5k month for pbn that work, so little 30+ da do nothing these days sorry it true.

It $30 a clean expired domain x10 it $300 minimum making it your self

You can get
Argo content
To do all pbn work from here the app brillsintvfor blog and pbn
 
Tnx for great information
Do you recommend building PBN-s for site that is earning under 500$ per month or is it better to do one 301 redirect and buy PBN from BHW?
My competitors are using a lot of PBN(not created by them) and have 2-4 301 redirects.
 
Tnx for great information
Do you recommend building PBN-s for site that is earning under 500$ per month or is it better to do one 301 redirect and buy PBN from BHW?
My competitors are using a lot of PBN(not created by them) and have 2-4 301 redirects.

Redirects can certainly work, if done right. But we always prefer to build out a full fledged PBN, instead of optin for redirects. It's just a more flexible and complete solution to use the domain.
 
I am Planning for 100+ PBNS
So from where can i get list of 100+ hosting providers
I want all 100 different to play safe Game
 
I am Planning for 100+ PBNS
So from where can i get list of 100+ hosting providers
I want all 100 different to play safe Game

You don't need 100. You need only 3-4 hosting provider, these are Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode and maybe Rackspace or AWS.

The beauty of cloud hosting is that you can create a separate droplet for each PBN domain and each droplet will have unique IP that is not shared with any other website or app. Footprint free. It'll look like this.


  • PBN Domain A hosted on droplet A with IP 145.132.13.94
  • PBN Domain B hosted on droplet B with IP 65.62.209.173
  • PBN Domain C hosted on driplet C with IP 49.42.219.173
  • etc. pp.

In addition, you can create hundreds of separate droplets on DO and Vultr under one account. Easy billing, easy management, easy life.
 
You don't need 100.

You need only 3-4 hosting provider, these are Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode and maybe Rackspace or AWS.

The beauty of cloud hosting is that you can create a separate droplet for each PBN domain and each droplet will have unique IP that is not shared with any other website or app. Footprint free. It'll look like this.


  • PBN Domain A hosted on droplet A with IP 145.132.13.94
  • PBN Domain B hosted on droplet B with IP 65.62.209.173
  • PBN Domain C hosted on driplet C with IP 49.42.219.173
  • etc.

In addition, you can create hundreds of separate droplet on DO and Vultr under one account. Easy billing, easy management, easy life.
Are you Sure? Because if i leave Footprints all my 100 PBN network may get deindexed
 
Are you Sure? Because if i leave Footprints all my 100 PBN network may get deindexed

Pretty sure ;-)

If you know what you're doing, you'll be as safe as you can with cloud hosting. In comparison to all other hosting options, it is the closest option for a real footprint free hosting solution, imo.

Obviously you need to avoid all other footprints too, I talked about those before previously this thread.
 
Goosh! I thought this was a saviour.

Yep. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool service... for money sites. And while it sounds good on paper, it's not suited for a footprint free PBN.
 
How much should i expect to pay at auction for a niche relevant 400+ RD domain with great backlinks?
 
How much should i expect to pay at auction for a niche relevant 400+ RD domain with great backlinks?

Depends on the niche and the domain, tbh. RD400+ is a pretty insane baseline, if the majority of the links are decent.

At auction you'd probably shell out $500+ for a nice tech, health or finance domain. Though we've seen many go above the 1k mark, even at auction. Especially in Health and Tech.

If you go into smaller niches, you can probably get some for $200-400, photography or wedding domains for example are pretty easy to get at auction for under $500. But most will not have RD400+.

Having said all of this, a lot of the high end domain vendors will be faster or bet more, as they tend to sell these premium domains for $1k+ a pop.
 
Happy to answer some more questions over the weekend :)
 
1. What ip ranges you block? can you share?
2. On single droplet do you host more than 1 site?
3. If I use single droplet and 4-5 domains using different cdn networks is it safe?
4. Have you create pbn with spunned content ever if yes what was the result?
5. What is the highest OBL count from one pbn - what was the word count of that pbn blog/ number of articles?
6. Do you use multi login or any tool. How/what do you use to handle all pbn. DO you have single panel setup from where you access all the pbns?
7. Can we hide our pbn if we use multiple cdn network? bynnycdn, cloufront, Microsoft cdn.
 
1. What ip ranges you block? can you share?
2. On single droplet do you host more than 1 site?
3. If I use single droplet and 4-5 domains using different cdn networks is it safe?
4. Have you create pbn with spunned content ever if yes what was the result?
5. What is the highest OBL count from one pbn - what was the word count of that pbn blog/ number of articles?
6. Do you use multi login or any tool. How/what do you use to handle all pbn. DO you have single panel setup from where you access all the pbns?
7. Can we hide our pbn if we use multiple cdn network? bynnycdn, cloufront, Microsoft cdn.

1. Good question. But we're not gonna share that, sry :)

2. No, never. Always one droplet = one domain.

3. It would leave a pretty obvious footprint. Wouldn't recommend.

4. Nope, never. While we used spun content heavily 5-6 years back when WordAI's turing spinner was the shiznit, we haven't had the need for it in several years now.

5. On our service PBNs we cap at 20 OBL. Word count typically in the 40k+ range, mostly more.

6. I'm an Excel guy + Lastpass (+VA if you don't wanna do it yourself).

7. Sounds good on paper, but it's not the best setup, in our opinion. Stick to unique droplets without CDNs. Cheap (5-6$ / per droplet) and easy to scale without worrying about footprints.
 
Just to show there is a will there is a way. I have under my years built 40 pbns. These rank 4 sites for me. It cost me about 500(domain cost), 1300 hosting per year. Never bought an auctioned site, scrapebox and lucky finds. Every time I come across a strong old site that might hold an expires domain or two. I add them to my next scrape. Has been working out nicely. Just stumbled upon one more yesterday, relevant to my niche 90 rd and 32dr with some really sweet links in the niche im in. It probably takes me a bit more work. But I had 200$ to spare when I got into this so I had to find a cheaper option. My first pbns were utterly trashin comparison to what I usw these days. But they moved the first site into a good spot where i got some ROI to increase the work.
I will definitely buy auctioned in the future but it works to find your own too. Might just not get the 5000$ domains. For simpler niches they work and as long as you have good content on your moneysite. When you rank, more links come in naturally.
Great AMA! I have learned some tricks from it to implement in my process going forward :)
 
Should i add footer link after adding 5-10 articles in pbn or add content link weekly per post.
 
If i keep on adding 1 post per week will that link will be effective as i have already taken link from pbn previous week.
I think a domain link once realized by G then it become useless to get more links and counted as spammy.
 
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