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Am I paying too much for my dedicated server?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Jackalakus, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Jackalakus

    Jackalakus Junior Member

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    Intel Core 2 Duo Jan/12/2012 - Feb/12/2012 $ 95.00 1 $ 95.00
    581404 CP: cPanel/WHM + FANTASTICO Licenses (1 Server) (NEW) (fantNEW) Jan/12/2012 - Feb/12/2012 $ 24.00 1 $ 24.00
    581405 Managed: Flexible Take 4 (fta4) Jan/12/2012 - Feb/12/2012 $ 99.00 1 $ 99.00
    Current Charges: $ 218.00
    Taxes:
    ID# Tax Description Total Due
    Taxes: $ 0.00
    Account Credits:
    ID# Credit Description Note Total Credit
    Account Credits: $ (0.00)

    Total Current Charges: $ 218.00

    ================= IS THIS TOO MUCH? =========
    If it is too much for this server where should I go for hosting? As always - thanks for your replies!
     
  2. Giga_L

    Giga_L BANNED BANNED

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    nope :)
     
  3. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    Whatever you do don't use SpamAHost... I just bought a Dedi and VPS from them and not even getting 1/10th the bandwidth speeds promised. I'm super pissed!
     
  4. Jackalakus

    Jackalakus Junior Member

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    Well after that dude jacked/hacked justhost they told me to move all my data off their servers. I had about 100 domains w/them. So I went dedicated. I thought I may be paying too much. How much does your hosting cost you per month?

    I'd really like to start my own hosting company.... Beefy services for cheaper price, some hosting companies are starting to "cloud" it up. I think cloud computing is going to collapse hardware -

    Keep it simple with real servers, you know kinda like the safety net of having a LAN phone in your house instead of using cell phones. I think old methods are still valuable
     
  5. shurk

    shurk Junior Member

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    What components are in your dedi?

    Also, you appear to be paying for a managed service. You could save money by using an un-managed service. However, if your not technically minded you may end up paying much more in Tech Support in the long run...
     
  6. Jackalakus

    Jackalakus Junior Member

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    I pay for the managed because I'm so busy and don't want to deal w/it so it's worth it.

    Here's the sad part... I run network operations center for the Air Force... Tons of servers, networking equipment etc. I'm working on getting a .mil domain for myself or at least access as a content manager... Ka-Ching! LOL

    Ironic? Maybe...
     
  7. shurk

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    I totally understand. I work as Tech Support for a Host myself. I don't have any dedi's at the moment, but I sure as hell will be paying for managed services! (I Don't want to be 'working my day job' on my days off! I'd rather let someone else handle it!)

    Good luck on the .mil, I can't see it happening myself, but there is always hope! :)
     
  8. Autumn

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    Am I reading that right in thinking it's $218 per month for a Core 2 Duo? That's definitely over priced, even for a managed service (and yes managed is a good idea if the server is going to have income producing sites on it). There are definitely better deals out there, maybe not in terms of reducing the overall price, but in terms of getting a higher spec server for the same amount of money.

    Core 2 Duo is getting a bit long in the tooth for a server. You also don't mention RAM / HD space / bandwidth.
     
  9. Narrator

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    Unmanaged servers really aren't that much work, besides installing the software initially.

    I almost never have to reboot or do anything to either one of my dedi's


    Cheers!
     
  10. Autumn

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    They're not that much work until the first time you go down or get hacked while you're asleep and then Googlebot rolls around while your sites are fucked up. Having a good admin watching your stuff is worth its weight in gold when the shit hits the fan because the cost of having your sites get messed up is so large.

    Also your typical user is not a good enough *nix admin to be able to lock a box down or tune a server sufficiently.

    Personally my link spamming servers are all unmanaged (partly because I don't want nosey techs poking around in my spamming scripts), but my boxes with sites on them are all managed.
     
  11. super nuver

    super nuver Newbie

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    That's exactly what i pay for my dedi! I dont know my specs off hand but i sure know the money i gotta cough up each month.
     
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    I can get you 2 servers of that config for that price :p
     
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    Hi,
    I'm new here, but i can put you onto an offer for full Unlimited hosting for just $5/month! with dedicated servers etc etc.

    mr jv :)

     
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    Not to be mean but... a $5/month service can't compete with a real dedicated server.

    Cheers!
     
  15. blackfairy

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    You need to tell us how much RAM, HDD and bandwidth the server has. It's kinda impossible to judge if it's a good price or not, without knowing these details.
     
  16. kvmcable

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    If you guys think managed hosting takes care of protection, viruses and malware you're sadly mistaken. If you think they'll notice when your dedi is offline and needs rebooted you better think again. Managed hosting does one thing! Gives you a number to call when shit hits the fan. If you think you can take a day off and not worry about your server being offline you're wrong. Half the time; check that; 3/4 of the time they don't have a clue your server is down until you contact them.

    I've paid all the big hosts for managed servers for years. I WISH I had all that money back. I actually had a server totally hacked (root access, changed root password) because they never patched the Linux kernel when an exploit was discovered a few years ago. They never knew (two different hosts) when my servers were offline until I called them. Then every time it was oh yeah our techs were just seeing your server was offline. Um no they've been down for 5 hours according to a separate monitoring server I hired.

    Managed servers are just a joke to make extra money. There is nobody watching your server until you call with a problem. They never know why an account was compromised, why your server load is crazy high with nothing running, why sites are getting malware injected and the list goes on and on.

    Here is what you do. If you need a dedi then you need to learn how to secure and run it. Way to the web (configserver) has a nice service that will secure your dedi for a Benjamin. Money well spent. If you don't want to monitor and learn how to manage a dedi then don't get one. Paying managed support is just throwing money away so you can talk to a tech guy that will know how to reboot your server and give you excuses when it goes down. I now run 18 of my own dedis and while I'm still learning I can tell you all of them are more secure than any that I had when I paid for managed support. When I had managed support all my sites were getting hacked, suffering code injections and servers were being abused. Now nobody gets in my servers and any attempts I see with hourly emails.

    Paying for managed support is just pissing away money. Shit send me your managed server money and I'll secure your server in a day and laugh every month when you send me another check. Get a dedi and get it secured and you don't need any of this managed BS. Managed support will never secure your server and you'll always have problems. That's how they keep you believing you need managed services. LOL
     
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  17. Autumn

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    You've just been using shitty managed services.

    A decent enterprise level host (eg. the industrial strength adult hosts with thousands of servers running some of the highest traffic sites on the net, not some guy reselling hosting out of his spare room) will most definitely be keeping an eye on your boxes and performing updates and tweaking proactively.

    Not to say that there aren't hosts out there that "manage" servers in the manner you describe, but if that is your general experience with managed hosting then you've been using shitty hosts. ANY decent host should know straight away if a managed box goes down - if they don't then you should ditch them immediately.
     
  18. roamer

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    Any of these will really manage your server, often times for a fraction of the cost a server admin would charge you, plus they have physical access to your hardware. If you go for budget managed servers, then yeah, you're probably throwing away your money.