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Algorithm punishes you for Follow/Unfollow?

Discussion in 'Instagram' started by Stonersky, Jan 24, 2017.

  1. Stonersky

    Stonersky Registered Member

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    Hey,

    so a friend of mine told me that there is a instagram algorithm that makes you reach less accounts when you do the Follow/Unfollow Method. Anyone can verify this?
    I didnt knew about this but this would explain why my engagement rate dropped after I started to use Massplanner.
     
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  2. Jansson

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    I had similar experiences the first 2-3 days I had MP turned off by mistake and started this thread:

    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/e...s-planner-was-turned-off.910109/#post-9675396

    Now, I can't really tell anymore. My PC is still broken so can't use MP, but engagement is almost back to where it was when i was botting.
     
  3. Igor69

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    Yea hearth it about it.
    I whant to find info too
     
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    I am interested to know this as well.. anyone knows what's going on?
     
  5. Igor69

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    So, no verified info .

    I think its just fake talks.
     
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    It only seems logical. It's not like Instagram doesn't know people are using bots with follow/unfollow to grow their accounts.
     
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    I doubt it. If its as simple as a penalty for following/unfollowing then that would be punishing those who actually try hard manually to grow their page. If it was smart enough to only penalize those who use bots it would just ban those accounts or ask for constant verification, not penalize engagement. Improperly optimized bot settings is much more likely. Luck is also a factor, some of my accounts have amazing engagement and other its just meh. All are running on bots.
     
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    This. I am running multiple accounts, set up at the same time, kinda the same amount of followers, content of the same quality level, but engagement is very different between the accounts. Also it sometimes picks up and then slows down again without me changing anything. Weird.
     
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    What would be a typically improperly optimized bot setting that could affect engagement negatively?
     
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    One of the simplest mistakes is not limiting likes to 1 per account. Say you like 600 pictures a day at 1 per account, thats 600 accounts you have made an impression on. If you set it to 2 per account, then its only 300 accounts. Your just cutting your results in half or even worse.
     
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    I'm not a "verified source" but I firmly believe that follow unfollow destroys your shot at getting on the explore page.

    When things were peachy back in the summer, (June 2015-ish) I was getting on the explore page several times a week on two of my accounts.

    When things went downhill in November-ish, I was still doing follow unfollow and I wasn't getting on the explore page at all.

    I stopped follow-unfollow completely in December on both accounts.

    Now, in January, I'm back on the explore page with both accounts. I don't bot whatsoever, so there aren't really any other variables in the situation besides follow-unfollow.
     
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  12. DotBoss

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    I am not seeing any difference on my end.
     
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    From a logical standpoint:

    If Instagram is aware of accounts using automation
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    if
    it has decided to penalize it
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    why would it limit the penalization to 2 functions (follow/unfollow) and not the rest (like, comment and direct)?
     
  14. iglover

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    I agree!

    I ditched the bots 2 days ago. Been manually liking/commenting on big accounts with good engagement in my niche. Following less than 1000 high quality accounts. No engagement groups or follow/unfollow. Just good old fashioned manual work. Been getting above average engagement and gaining high quality followers that dont use bots.
    Engage with the right accounts and they will engage with you.
     
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    Can you explain more ?

    Do you mean 2 acc with auto liking on one ip?
     
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    Why should it matter how you violate the TOS, manually or with bots? Why would instagram make any difference and favorize those who manually violate the rules? If you do the aggressive follow churn manually, that's equally as bad as if you were using bots. Bots are not the evil.

    If instagram wants to penalize for aggressive follow churn, they would/should penalize everyone (manual and bot users) equally.

    Actually the question in the thread title could be transformed into a statement, which makes a lot of sense. You violate the rules, in exchange because we're that cool, we don't outright ban you, we only make your life less enjoyable by limiting reach/not putting you on the explore page/do every kind of shady tricks to lower your engagement until you keep violating our TOS. If you cease the aggressive follow churn practices, you'll have another shot and we remove the limits from your account, so your engagement starts to grow again.
     
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    So you talking like that, it seems you work for instagram?
     
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    lol

    I definitely don't work for instagram, i don't even work against it at the moment. It's just that the subject of this thread makes a lot of sense, at least for me. If you try to think like if you were instagram for a sec, i think you can see why.

    These pro-active defense techniques are very popular on social media sites lately.
     
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    There should be a setting on your bot, I know Mass Planner has it, that limits how many pictures from a single account your account will like.

    So my one bot account will like one accounts picture, find another account, like one of its pictures, then find another account, etc, etc. This prevents your single bot account from liking every picture on a persons account that fit into the settings for your bot. This makes it so if you like 600 pictures a day, you are interacting with 600 different people in a day just from likes.


    I'm not thinking in terms of being aggressive. If your following 1000 a day and unfollowing 1000 a day then yah, I wouldn't doubt they would penalize anyone doing that. Although that's not the norm, especially for manual, that would be SO much work like god damn.

    But if your performing under 1000 total actions (likes/follows/unfollows) I don't see how they could penalize someone doing that manually. That is what small business owners do all the time, they are just trying to get their small business out there. This is the situation I have in mind, and I don't think Instagram would penalize for this, unless it was through botting. Since botting takes 0 effort once set up and creates fake engagement which they want to crack down on since it hurts them.

    Cutting small businesses engagement makes them less likely to use Instagram or simply think its not a good platform to promote on. Since these small businesses are Instagrams actual customers then Instagram will want to keep them happy so that they buy paid ads when they see that Instagram works to generate engagement with their target audience. People running bot accounts like many of us on here they dont give a shit about because we aren't their customer, we are exploiting their platform for our own gains at their expense.

    So since Instagram cant differentiate between a well set up bot, and a manual account(if they could all bots would be getting banned constantly). It wouldn't make sense for them to penalize all accounts performing lets say under 1000 action a day, this would simply hurt their business and I think that they are to smart for that. However aggressive accounts running 1000 follows a day and 1000 unfollows a day are very likely to be bots, since which of their actual customers would have the time and will power to do that day in and day out. So they would penalize all of these accounts heavily in the form of engagement cuts, phone verifications, ghosting and bans since they are just leeching off their business/platform.

    They very well could be cutting engagement, I wont say for a fact that they aren't. But if they are, Instagrams shooting themselves in the foot.

    Its been a long hard day and its late. Hopefully I got my thoughts on this across in a way that makes sense.
     
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  20. IGKing

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    The only problem with this thread is that a lot of the accounts getting hit with engagement strikes are large accounts that don't follow/unfollow. In fact, I've had several people PM me about their engagement rates dropping and they span from whitehat to blackhat, from large to small, from niche to niche.

    Some people are getting affected by it, and some people are not.

    I can see numerous reasons why some accounts can get hit, but I don't think follow/unfollow is the only reasoning behind it. It COULD be a reason for some accounts. To think Instagram only uses that metric to determine who gets on explore or hashtags is pretty narrow minded. Reposted content, age of the account, location, number of hashtags, specific hashtags, hashtags in the caption or comment, and a million other different things could all be possibilities.

    Instagram isn't as simple as it used to be. You need to figure out how to adapt with the system, or you'll get left behind. My advice: try out a bunch of different theories/methods and see which one sticks. And if something sticks, keep tweaking it until you have optimized it.

    Best of luck, everyone!
     
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