AdvertMarketing are theives!

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Just thought I should let everyone know that this company likes to cut and run with your money after a couple months. After finally getting my first check from them and sending them alittle more traffic they decided all my leads were "bad" and to close my account and keep my money. So no matter how nice they seem they are thieves just the same. They lied to me from the start about when my payout would be, but pulled the "oh the AM must of been mistaken or had the wrong info" bullshit. Then they tried to drag out paying me even longer with asking a dozen times if I'd turned in my W9 when it shows right on the site that it has. Now they accuse me of fraud when a week before they were all happy with the traffic.

So rack them up as another network to steer clear of as I might be the first but I'm sure I won't be the last they steal from.
 
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Bro weren't you already proven to be a fraudster on this forum and other forums?
Here's the post of the owners of Advert Marketing proving your fraud!
Also, why are you going to come to a forum and talk crap that don't even want you here? You were banned once before I believe! Why not just stop being a bum and get out there and do some real work. Stop wasting your time defrauding people and fucking up the industry for everyone else!
I've been trying to work with beer30 for quite sometime now, trying to resolve this issue with him. After much digging it came out that he was using a CraigsList Bait and Switch method in the auto section. Using a technique that was posted in the VIP section several months ago, almost verbatim. The fact alone he was sending CL traffic was enough to get him banned however we still planned to pay him on his good leads and part ways civilly. However Brandon stated over and over again and tried blackmailing me that he would only accept a full payment or else he would go around and post on forums about the situation, trying to sway other marketers from joining the network or leaving. I've included the fraud report in his post. Out of 89 leads for October traffic 52 leads were fraudulent/bad and were removed by the advertiser. You can see from this report that false information was used for all of these leads.

  • 15 leads - Did not request quotes
  • 14 leads - Disconnected Phone Number
  • 1 lead - fax line
  • 2 leads - Incentive leads
  • 3 leads - Survey leads
  • 17 leads - Wrong Name, and Wrong Vehicle

So as you can see with over 50% of the traffic we had to part ways for obvious reasons. This thread is nothing more then lash out for being caught, and being upset over it. If the percentage were a bit lower on bad leads we would have been able to keep on running with him and most likely would have been able to convinced the advertiser to pay out on those leads however the advertiser wasn't going to budge on this amount of bad traffic.


 

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How does one post from a thief prove anything? Let me guess your an AM and/or employee of Advert?

As for why beer30 was banned here it was a mod in a pissy mood banning alot of people that day I'm told. Didn't have anything to do with him being caught being anything here. So it helps when you know wtf your talking about before you open your mouth.
 

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You could end this by sharing how you secured the leads. Sounds crazy, I know.

I can also say that the above quoted post comes across as genuine to me, because it's obvious what happened. These are phone verified leads, which means callbacks, which the network doesn't do. That's all on the advertisers side. If you run fraud on a phone verified offer you've got to have some jedi level game, otherwise it's obvious and apparent. The leads are scrubbed at the advertiser level.

Universally fucking stupid. Gain versus risk, friend. You weren't making crazy loot for the work and the risk is at a maximum.

I'm wondering if you're wanting the entire amount, or the amount determined to be good leads? You never really state that, and that makes a huge difference on the credibility of your claim.

If you wanted the whole amount? Hah, get fucked. This isn't the case of your method being solid and a snoopy advertiser. You knew this was a PVO and decided it was worth the risk.

If you wanted the remainder? That's tricky. On one hand, sure, I can see if the leads were clean and valid; you deserve to get paid.

...on the other hand, see the highest level of the game is the advertiser. The advertiser is just that, as in they pay networks to distribute ad content. They can decide to shift more revenue toward another network when fraud arises. If your retention rate on that offer didn't show up for a few weeks, then on top of bad leads is the previous terms retention rate. Well, if that's poor there's gonna be a problem. Then it comes down to the network leveraging how much this hurts their relationship with the advertiser, which has a dollar amount attached to it in the form of revenue.

I'd personally pay out the clean leads and part ways, but without more detail it's really not clear.

Either way, pick better offers and know all the mechanics before running, maing.
 

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More like just avoid shitty companies that can't be trusted. I was running the exact same thing through another company and did they pitch a fit, ban me, and steal my money like these guys did? Nope they just said "hey the advertiser doesn't like the traffic please stop" which I was fine with.

The thing everyone fails to notice here is my AM was told exactly how I was getting leads, IT WAS HIS METHOD for fuck sakes. So coming back months later and playing dumb is just plain bullshit. I do have PM's proving he knew it was CL traffic and his method. (just took screenshots so the mods there can't delete them)

These little bastards even called the other network, most likely trying to get me banned there too, saying they were suing me and all kinds of bs. Luckily the other network wasn't nearly as dumb as they thought and just let me know about it.

At the moment I'm just letting the dust settle as I have more important projects to focus on then starting a full blown campaign against them. Much like making money wars take time to plan.
 

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Ok boys and girls, its time for CPA 101. Get your notebooks and textpads ready: :stupido2:

Simple formula=Advertiser makes money----->YOU MAKE MONEY
Advertiser starts losing money on your traffic----->You start losing money on your campaigns!

Simple as that!


A CPA network isn't supposedly BAD just because they ban you. They want to make as much money for as long as they possibly can, just like you do. It would NOT be a good business practice for them in the long run if they just start scamming their affiliates! But you send bad traffic, and get CAULT sending bad traffic, and oh, now they are bad?

Why would you run a method on another network with a similar offer (basically switching the traffic from one network to the other) when the first network you were using it on told you that that s--- is NOT effective bro?

AND..........

Why on god's green EARTH would you use a VIP method VERBATIM? EH??????

I'm sorry, you did NOT think this one thru. Take it as a lesson, cause you don't have enough juice to win this fight bro.

Even if you HAD evidence of what the AM told you, bottom line is that as soon as the advertiser complains, your AM's word is as good as Bird S&*%!!

CPA's WORK FOR THE ADVERTISER, AND YOU WORK FOR THEM!!!

ONCE AGAIN...........

CPA's WORK FOR THE ADVERTISER, AND YOU WORK FOR THEM!!!


Now, you CAN ask if the advertiser actually complained about the traffic by asking them to confirm that the advertiser did indeed ask them to reverse the funds in a written statement that can be tracked. As yes, some CPA's DO in fact use this trick if they know in advance that you are sending traffic that will more then likely not pan out.

BUT...........The first advertiser at the first CPA network you ran this traffic thru should have giving you a clue as to how good or bad the traffic is.

I wish you the best, but that was NOT SMART!
 
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Traffic was run through both places at the same time so your whole I should known better thanks to the first network doesn't exactly work.

Far as running the method verbatim close but not exactly. It was originally a one reply setup and I turned it into a 2 reply. But no I didn't bother changing the script itself much as it was well worded and worked just fine the way it was already.

I honestly don't give half a shit what any of you think of me as afterall I'm not here for a popularity contest I'm here to make money. The only reason I even signed up on this forum in the first place was the buy/sell section is handy at times.

I'm just stating the fact that this company will tell you anything in order to get your traffic and then if they don't feel like paying you they won't, simple as that.
 

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afterall I honestly don't give half a shit what any of you think of me

Big E, if you honestly didn't give a shit, really, you wouldn't have responded. We do have the non-popularity contest thing in common though, I agree with you on that.

I'm just stating the fact that this company will tell you anything in order to get your traffic and then if they don't feel like paying you they won't, simple as that.


* 15 leads - Did not request quotes
* 14 leads - Disconnected Phone Number
* 1 lead - fax line
* 2 leads - Incentive leads
* 3 leads - Survey leads
* 17 leads - Wrong Name, and Wrong Vehicle

If I was an advertiser and you were sending me traffic with those types of stats, I wouldn't feel like paying you either. You can't argue with a negative ROI bro (but being Big E, you will try! J/K)

Ofcourse, they could always be lying. So see if you can get in contact with the advertiser themselves and see what they say. Then, if you find out that they were indeed lying, take them to small claims court in whatever state that business is located. Baba bing.....
 
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Big E, if you honestly didn't give a shit, really, you wouldn't have responded. We do have the non-popularity contest thing in common though, I agree with you on that.

Me replying keeps this on the first page so more people see it, think about it.

Far as small claims court goes it would cost more then it's worth with travel expenses and whatnot. If they owed me that much it would of been dealt with much differently and I'd had my money by now trust me.

This kinda shit is the reason I'm looking very hard at getting out of cpa as most of them seem to have this "your lucky we even pay you" attitude no matter what kind of traffic you have.

It's pretty sad when a person can trust porn networks more than "mainstream" as afterall porn is where all the shady people are suppose to be right?
 
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Your check with your remaining balance was sent out, check the mail. Even though you have tried to run around claiming that we are a fraudulent network. Yet we paid you on your remaining GOOD leads. Even though you say we are a fraudulent network.

I also sent you the fraud report and you are more then welcome to call the numbers up and confirm what has been determined, by the Advertiser. That is your right. We argued with the Advertiser to try and get you paid. But that was a no go.

Brandon since you have gone around posting all of this negative stuff our pending applications have doubled. You are actually helping the network grow. We are getting many new Affiliates behind this.

You demanded full pay from us including the fraud or you were going to post everywhere. Well there is not a network around that will do that. In fact I don't know many networks that would even pay you the remaining balance. Blackmail doesn't work with us, nor will it ever. But we did pay you for the remaining good leads you had. After all it was your money.

Keep in mind not only did we lose money also we lost the whole offer, due to your actions.
 

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I think OP should be VERY happy about how AdvertMarketing handled this. To be paid out for even part of your leads while they know you were generating leads in a way forbidden by the TOS, then even trying to scare other people away from the network, I'd have told you to f*ck off (like most networks do).. You were lucky to 'fraud' offers at this network. IMHO.
 

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Keep in mind not only did we lose money also we lost the whole offer, due to your actions.

Awww poor baby, one offer down couple more hundred to go I guess. Plus I'm sure it was all my doing when that offer was one of the top offers in the network. Ever think that just maybe I wasn't the only one doing the same thing?

As far as the check goes, not here yet and I'm not holding my breath. Probably bounce or have a stop payment on it even if it does show.

For new aps that honestly wouldn't shock me as stupid as people are nowadays. I may of been the first I'm sure I won't be the last to be fucked over. I mean would it make everyone feel better if I showed a spreadsheet saying all the leads were good? Cause afterall a spreadsheet can't be faked right? :rolleyes:
 

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Awww poor baby, one offer down couple more hundred to go I guess. Plus I'm sure it was all my doing when that offer was one of the top offers in the network. Ever think that just maybe I wasn't the only one doing the same thing?

As far as the check goes, not here yet and I'm not holding my breath. Probably bounce or have a stop payment on it even if it does show.

For new aps that honestly wouldn't shock me as stupid as people are nowadays. I may of been the first I'm sure I won't be the last to be fucked over. I mean would it make everyone feel better if I showed a spreadsheet saying all the leads were good? Cause afterall a spreadsheet can't be faked right? :rolleyes:

They didnt fuck you over, you fucked them over.

Its clear to me from the tone of your posts in this thread, that you have an attitude problem, and that you dont understand that sending BS traffic leads to scrubbing, withholding of payments, and bans.

You have also proven that you were running fraud traffic in this thread, which means your shitlist post is utterly invalid.

Normally I would close this thread, but since you felt is was OK to suggest that mods ban people becuase they are in 'pissy' moods - have a ban.

/banhammer
 

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Hiya John,

I'm not in the business of promoting other networks but job well done. We can all see where this clown went wrong, and I think it's pretty stand up that you cashed him out on the good leads.

Your check with your remaining balance was sent out, check the mail. Even though you have tried to run around claiming that we are a fraudulent network. Yet we paid you on your remaining GOOD leads. Even though you say we are a fraudulent network.

I also sent you the fraud report and you are more then welcome to call the numbers up and confirm what has been determined, by the Advertiser. That is your right. We argued with the Advertiser to try and get you paid. But that was a no go.

Brandon since you have gone around posting all of this negative stuff our pending applications have doubled. You are actually helping the network grow. We are getting many new Affiliates behind this.

You demanded full pay from us including the fraud or you were going to post everywhere. Well there is not a network around that will do that. In fact I don't know many networks that would even pay you the remaining balance. Blackmail doesn't work with us, nor will it ever. But we did pay you for the remaining good leads you had. After all it was your money.

Keep in mind not only did we lose money also we lost the whole offer, due to your actions.
 
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At the end of the day it was still his money. The way AdvertMarketing is run, is an old style, "Do unto others as you would want to be done."

I see why BHW is a great forum and will continue to be solid. Thank you all for seeing this post for what it was.
 

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From what I read the guy says the check hasn't showed yet so who says they actually paid him? My guess the company is just saying that to make themselves look better.

Calling a guy names and talking sh*t when he can't defend himself real classy mods.

Why am I here? Because they didn't pay me either. So I suspect more people will be coming forward saying the same shortly. Then again the way the mods treated the OP maybe not as they may be afraid of being banned.
 

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From what I read the guy says the check hasn't showed yet so who says they actually paid him? My guess the company is just saying that to make themselves look better.

Calling a guy names and talking sh*t when he can't defend himself real classy mods.

Why am I here? Because they didn't pay me either. So I suspect more people will be coming forward saying the same shortly. Then again the way the mods treated the OP maybe not as they may be afraid of being banned.

Odd that you show up with zero posts, a name of pricksRus, and act all holy about someone else's banning :rolleyes:

Let me stress something here, your other account was given a temporary ban due to opening false shitlist threads (frauding a network by your own admission), and for demonstrating a lack of respect in your post for the staff of BHW.

Also as *everyone* can see, I said the user had a bad attitude, this is hardly calling anyone names.

Now let me explain very clearly how things are going to be, my little friend who doesn't understand geolocation, you are banned for life from BHW now, for creating a second account to evade your original ban, and for using BHW as a platform to attempt damage to a company that didn't pay you for your fraudulent leads.

You may be thinking to yourself, I'm going to use a proxy to make a new account so the nasty mod doest know it's me from Ohio, then I'll come back and post some more trash. If I even suspect you of doing this, a file containing all of your details (oh noes where was that cheque posted to????) along with your method (dumb to do this on a call verified lead btw) will be forwarded to some very nasty people in the federal government, who treat what you did as wire fraud and tend to make examples of the people they catch. I'll do this personally as I take abuse of BHW and its community *very* seriously.

You should understand that that the network you have libelled have every right based solely on the evidence in this thread to pursue you in the civil courts for damages also. I'm sure a judge upon hearing why you feel you are entitled to these funds would ensure the damages awarded are steep and punitive.

Do yourself a favour - leave, don't look back.

I have nothing against outing scam networks, or scam product providers, in fact they get jumped on much harder than you are. I don't however like failtards using my favourite part of the internet to carry out blackmail threats, because they didn't understand that fraud traffic leads to loss of earnings when caught.

I'd advise you to keep a very low profile on other boards also - you are just increasing your footprint and BHW members tend to inform us when users shoot the shit on other sites.

This is you final and only warning.

/banhammer x 2
 

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Personally I have had good experiences with Advertmarketing. Granted I have only had one payout however I have had really good communication with the owners and my AM.

As it has been stated above, if you provide good traffic the advertisers will stay happy and pay the network who inturn pay you. Whereas if you send crappy leads the advertiser will not be happy and you will not get paid. Pretty understandable really.
 
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