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If you can choose to live a more successful life but depend on a pill would yall choose it? here is the thing i have been a hardcore insomniac all my life and it sometimes can really be hard and stop a person from their daily routines, so recently i visited the doc about it and he gave me this strong yet highly addictive pill to take and it makes me sleep like a baby so it would change my life around and allow me to make more out of my day i liked to stay up at night and make some blackhat $$$ but lets face it its not god to stay a night owl through life. BTW. i am giving medical marijuana a chance soon lets see how that goes.:rolleyes:
 
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Well that's one example of what's wrong with the marijuana prohibition. The medical marijuana may very well help with that problem, has less side effects than most meds prescribed, and isn't addictive. Yet the government would rather have you take that addictive pill.

I'll bet if you read the warnings on the pill you'll find death as a result of an overdose. Marijuana is one of the only drug in which a deadly overdose is virtually impossible.

Thank god enough politicians are becoming sensible enough to ignore the Dept of Justice's demonizing propaganda when creating legislation and decriminalizing it at least for medicinal use.

Definitely give the medical marijuana a try if it's legal in your area, sleeping aids were one of the common uses of patent medicines containing marijuana before the prohibition started. If it doesn't work then you can consider stronger measures like the dangerous drugs they want to prescribe.

If you do start using the marijuana for that just remember the point is medicinal relief for your sleeping disorder. Use it in the evening to relax before bedtime and help you sleep at night. Just because you're using it for that doesn't mean you have to start using it recreationally as well.
 
i live in an area in los angeles where there is a medical marijuana dispensary almost on each block :D i always believed in the medical properties of it, just never smoked much because it messes up my lungs i might give brownies a chance :p i just hope its strong enough to do it so i wont have to consider the pill.
 
venice beach? lol, here are my 2 cents, forget the pills, its not worth it, no way jose. I personally love staying late at night too and dont see it being all that bad, I also wake up fairly early, I dont sleep all that much. Anyway, stay away from the pills, addiction will sneak up on you from behind very quietly and can do some massive damage.
 
Gotta agree with the pot proponents here. I had (and still do when I don't have pot) sleeping problems my whole life, but smoking a nice big bowl of dro at night fixes that problem very well. Also it is not addictive in the physical sense, but it can be mildly psychologically addictive, if that makes sense. For example, I can smoke all day every day for a week straight, then quit for a week striaght(or however long) and it does not bother me in the least. However, if you smoke for reasons other than recreation or medicinal then it can be an issue if you have to go without, like if someone smokes to forget about problems or something like that, thats when it can get to be an issue. But, the same is true of anything, if someone eats ice cream to make themselves feel better even that can be a health risk.

That being said, fuck sleeping pills. You do not want some nasty chemicals pumping through your blood that you will be addicted to in a few months when you can smoke some green that you can grow in the comfort of your own home. Also as far as the lung damage goes, either cook it into something (and yes, it is plenty strong, even when cooked) or smoke it with a vaporizer(there is no smoke, just thc vapor).

Good luck with your sleeping problems buddy, and please stay away from the pills. If you have any pot questions feel free to pm me.

Oh and one more thing, I think you will find that mj has a nice side effect on your mind. People on this forum are constantly saying to think outside of the box. I have a challenge for you, your first time being high, before you go to sleep, see how many ideas you can come up with to implement into IM, after you wake up the next day say fuck you to anyone who says mj impairs the mind.
 
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c0ntenth|ef said:
If you can choose to live a more successful life but depend on a pill would yall choose it? here is the thing i have been a hardcore insomniac all my life and it sometimes can really be hard and stop a person from their daily routines, so recently i visited the doc about it and he gave me this strong yet highly addictive pill to take and it makes me sleep like a baby so it would change my life around and allow me to make more out of my day i liked to stay up at night and make some blackhat $$$ but lets face it its not god to stay a night owl through life. BTW. i am giving medical marijuana a chance soon lets see how that goes.:rolleyes:
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Reminds me of that movie Limitless
 
dragonlube said:
Anyway, stay away from the pills, addiction will sneak up on you from behind very quietly and can do some massive damage.
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It's always seemed funny to me that marijuana and opium are both included in the schedule 1 list of prohibited substances even though marijuana is much more benign and doesn't have the addictive properties of opium and other 'hard drugs' in schedule 1.

And yet a VERY high percentage of pharmaceutical drugs are derived from opiates, especially things like pain killers, sleeping aids, and anxiety medicines. That's why there are so many people addicted to pain killers, and so many people that die from prescription drug overdoses every day.

Marijuana on the other hand doesn't have the physical addictive properties like opiates and other 'hard drugs' do, and there's no documented cases of a lethal marijuana overdose EVER, yet any use or research was so totally and absolutely prohibited for most of a century now.

I'm not an advocate of marijuana for recreational use, although I think even that should be regulated rather than prohibited.

I don't even currently use medical marijuana myself, but I'm getting older and beginning to suffer more and more from the effects of aging. I can guarantee that when doctors start prescribing me opiates for arthritis and other chronic pains, I'll be choosing cannabis over the opiates, except for the most severe pains.

It's funny that officials in the U.S Dept of Justice continually and consistently deny that marijuana has any medicinal use, and yet the U.S. Government holds a patent on marijuana for just such use. lol. (Just check out US Patent 6630507titled "Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants" which is assigned to The United States of America, as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services.)

The reason is that the DOJ is motivated by it's need for funding and power for itself. Prohibition of marijuana has never been about protecting American citizens from a dangerous drug. The agencies that would have lost power and funding when alcohol prohibition ended simply needed another 'demon drug' to justify their continued existence.

That's why congress should disregard the DOJs recommendations when making legislation regarding marijuana prohibition. The DOJ has an agenda that requires the prohibition regardless of whether its in the best interest of the rest of the US government and it's citizens, or not.
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dragonlube said:
venice beach? lol,
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naa by melrose avenue :cool:

battlepope said:
Gotta agree with the pot proponents here. I had (and still do when I don't have pot) sleeping problems my whole life, but smoking a nice big bowl of dro at night fixes that problem very well. Also it is not addictive in the physical sense, but it can be mildly psychologically addictive, if that makes sense.
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my problem is less physical i just let my thoughts and worrying go wild once i lay down to sleep, those pills are rather for anxiety and shut down your brain so you can sleep

bigman said:
I just got finished with a watching an awesome documentary on status anxiety (just made a thread here about that actually!). I think it would appeal to you.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/status-anxiety/
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thanx i check it out

GreyWolf said:
It's always seemed funny to me that marijuana and opium are both included in the schedule 1 list of prohibited substances even though marijuana is much more benign and doesn't have the addictive properties of opium and other 'hard drugs' in schedule 1.

And yet a VERY high percentage of pharmaceutical drugs are derived from opiates, especially things like pain killers, sleeping aids, and anxiety medicines. That's why there are so many people addicted to pain killers, and so many people that die from prescription drug overdoses every day.

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Opiates are evil.. from the stuff i have heard and read....
 
Have you been checked for Sleep Apnea? Anxiety is a symptom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea
 
Jonny Quick said:
Have you been checked for Sleep Apnea? Anxiety is a symptom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea
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i been an insomniac most of the times in my life it didn't matter if i was going through hard times or not but recently yes i was diagnosed with anxiety/stress i can handle the day its just during the night when i cant sleep that's why i was prescribed the pill it works well but comes with a price:rolleyes: (addiction) that's why i wanan give medical MJ a try, i know i'd be better when those problems are over.
 
I asked if you had been checked for Sleep Apnea, and even included a wikilink for your conveninence. You seem inordinately focused on your anxiety. It may not be the cause but rather a symptom, and the drugs may not be making it better; they could be making it worse.

Most people that have sleep apnea do not know that they have it, because they are sound asleep at the worst of it, which is why they wake up. But when they wake up, they aren't doing it.

Sleep Apnea in extreme cases is very serious. You can die. Your body knows this, hence (maybe) the anxiety.
 
c0ntenth|ef said:
Opiates are evil.. from the stuff i have heard and read....
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Well when properly used for the right conditions they can be very effective. But why use something that addictive when it isn't always necessary. Cannabis can be a much less dangerous solution for many cases in which opiates are commonly prescribed.

And yet opiates like Codeine, Vicodin, Darvocet, Percocet, Oxycontin, Demeral, etc. are prescribed everyday and the prohibitionists think that's just hunky-dory. But just let someone suggest they'd rather use marijuana since it's an effective painkiller which also happens to be non-addictive and the prohibitionists are up in arms attacking the "killer weed".

We all know that the "Reefer Madness" propaganda was ridiculous and untrue, but the prohibitionists just can't let go of that image in their own minds of marijuana as the "killer weed that will incite normally sane people to murderous acts of insane violence". That's just how the Dept. of Justice wants it to be seen.

Fortunately there are politicians that aren't swayed by the self-serving agenda of the DOJ and because of that we have a few states stepping up to decriminalize marijuana at least for medicinal use within their own state.

It's still a battle though because the DOJ isn't giving up on the matter without a fight. They depend to much on marijuana prohibition to justify their funding. The only ones with more to lose when the prohibition on cannabis ends is the drug cartels. Just as the DOJ openly lobbies to maintain the prohibition, you can rest assured that the criminal drug cartels are using front businesses to fund their own lobbyists as well. Just as the DOJ needs prohibition to keep it's funding, the cartels need the prohibition to insure they remain the primary suppliers. Nothing fuels the establishment of criminal organizations like an illconceived prohibition. :cool2:
 
As a person who thinks too damn much for his own good, I've had this problem. I've laid in bed for three, four hours thinking about so many damn things. Whether I would have a decent life, whether I could ever function in society, whether life has meaning, whether I could last long enough through the night and sleep before I caused so much anxiety I wanted to kill myself again, blah blah blah.

So, I tried to figure out a way to consciously induce sleep.

It works for me and it also aids in getting wicked cool lucid dreams.

First, you need to have a very clear grasp of what your mind's eye is and how to exercise it.

Close your eyes. And relive a memory. Think of your room, your school, a place. Then think of people walking through it. Movement in our minds is kinda difficult. The trick is to think about what's happening, come to a conscious grasp of what you're seeing. And then if you keep thinking about this long enough, you'll forget you have your eyes closed.

That's your mind's eye. The capacity to see things inside your brain. When you sleep, you not only have your mind's eye open, you have a extrasensorial way of knowing things. People in dreams don't talk, and if they do, they all speak a language you can comprehend. It's your own brain talking to you.

The way to induce sleep is to separate these two "senses". You think of an image with your mind's eye but then start narrating or remembering something completely unrelated. You have to keep both channels of information open and aware. Do this for long enough and your brain will phase to sleep mode. Not only that, it's possible that you phase to sleep mode while semi-concious and achieve some half-assed meditation/lucid dream state.

If you have trouble doing this, play out things in your mind's eye but try to LOOK with your physical eyes. Be aware that you're looking at blackness, but you're also remembering things. This also knocks you out pretty quickly, as long as you keep doing it consciously.

Other tips:

Physical exercise works, but if you're having this problem, chances are you're too unmotivated to do it.

Physical contact before bed also works. Being hugged and "positive" things in general.

Make sure your room is very dark. Light intereferes in the process of creating melatonin.

Understand that sleep is a way of thinking as well. When we sleep we keep working on problems. Get used to trusting sleep and your conscious analytical mind will be more eager to relinquish control.
 
I personally dont enjoy marijuana, tried it a few times and never really like it. I got some Vicodin 750 mg for my tooth pain, after a few days of use, I realized I was taking 6 or 8 of them a day for no reason after my pain was gone, I then switched to Oxycontin that I got for my leg surgery a while back but never used them before, I found that these pills gave me a lets call it "AMAZING HIGH", so about 6 days from when I started with Vicodin then switched to Oxycontin I was like "Whhooaaa, what the fuck am I doing" threw em all in the toilet and never touched that crap again. I've never been addicted to anything other than tobacco, but man are those opiates sneaky...
 
Am I the only one who GOT anxiety as a result of smoking marijuana? Yes I did it recreationally for a while, and at one point I was smoking every night, but then one night I had a huge panic attack out of nowhere right after I smoked a blunt. I never had a panic attack before and I thought I was having a heart attack so I was kinda freaking out. I stopped smoking for a while to see if it would help and then I got some serious withdrawal symptoms during the first week or 2 (yes you can get withdrawal from marijuana, look it up).

Ever since then, I've had anxiety issues and panic attacks. It's a bit more under-control now, but at one point it was pretty bad and I ended up going on Zoloft to help it.

Now I can't even smoke at all anymore because my body immediately makes me feel heavy anxiety right when I do it (I think now it's more of a mental thing and not the marijuana itself, but my mind associates smoking with feelings of panic). Maybe it's for the better that I can't smoke but it still kinda sucks because there are times I want to kick back and relax with a blunt just to chill out.

I'm not anti-marijuana now or anything and I still think it should be legal, but I definitely believe that my anxiety problems go back to smoking a lot. I never once had anxiety before this happened aside from the normal kind that everyone gets at some point.
 
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J1218 said:
Am I the only one who GOT anxiety as a result of smoking marijuana?
...I stopped smoking for a while to see if it would help and then I got some serious withdrawal symptoms during the first week or 2 (yes you can get withdrawal from marijuana, look it up).

Ever since then, I've had anxiety issues and panic attacks. It's a bit more under-control now, but at one point it was pretty bad and I ended up going on Zoloft to help it.

Now I can't even smoke at all anymore because my body immediately makes me feel heavy anxiety right when I do it (I think now it's more of a mental thing and not the marijuana itself, but my mind associates smoking with feelings of panic)...

I'm not anti-marijuana now or anything and I still think it should be legal, but I definitely believe that my anxiety problems go back to smoking a lot. I never once had anxiety before this happened aside from the normal kind that everyone gets at some point.
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Yes, some people can have experiences like that. There can be a few other side effects as well. The same as side effects listed for any other medicine, they won't be experienced by everyone, and different people may experience different levels of side effects. Just read the labels on most antidepressant or anti-anxiety medicines and you'll see anxiety is listed as one of the side effects for those as well. (It's always seemed kind of funny to me that most anti-anxiety medicines list anxiety as a possible side effect of using that medicine.)

One notable side effect that you'll see listed on almost every medicine in the event of overdose is death, and for many it can be a side effect in a small amount of cases even at a proper dosage. That is one sideeffect that is totally absent from marijuana. So it's legal to take drugs in which you will have all the side effects that might occur with marijuana as well as many more than won't occur, and yet it's still illegal to use marijuana in most locals.

As far as withdrawal symptoms, that only occurs with chronic long term usage. The same type of withdrawal can occur with sugar, caffiene, tobbaco, alcohol, and almost any other substance your body gets used to after long term chronic use. There is a huge difference between the withdrawal symptoms associated with stopping marijuana use as compared to what is considered a physically addictive substance. Stop using marijuana, sugar, coffee, soda pop and you might have real cravings, if you've been a chronic user you may even feel bad and you may even have headaches, stomach aches, and other minor problems.

Compare that to opiates, and many anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications. The withdrawal from those substances can cause serious health risks which can require medical assistance. Heroin withdrawal for instance is so severe it can cause death. The same is true of many commonly prescribed medicines, that's why you're often told not to stop using some medicines except on your doctors order and under their supervision.

The fact is any individual who is prescribed any prescription drug is at risk of many more and much more severe side effects than someone using marijuana. In fact many things that are brought up about the dangers of marijuana, are also experienced with chronic use of substances like caffeine, tobacco, or alcohol.

I'm glad you understand that the things you brought up in your reply, are things to be aware of, but don't justify the prohibition that's been in effect for the last 70 years.
 
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Yes, some people can have experiences like that. There can be a few other side effects as well. The same as side effects listed for any other medicine, they won't be experienced by everyone, and different people may experience different levels of side effects. Just read the labels on most antidepressant or anti-anxiety medicines and you'll see anxiety is listed as one of the side effects for those as well. (It's always seemed kind of funny to me that most anti-anxiety medicines list anxiety as a possible side effect of using that medicine.)

One notable side effect that you'll see listed on almost every medicine in the event of overdose is death, and for many it can be a side effect in a small amount of cases even at a proper dosage. That is one sideeffect that is totally absent from marijuana. So it's legal to take drugs in which you will have all the side effects that might occur with marijuana as well as many more than won't occur, and yet it's still illegal to use marijuana in most locals.

As far as withdrawal symptoms, that only occurs with chronic long term usage. The same type of withdrawal can occur with sugar, caffiene, tobbaco, alcohol, and almost any other substance your body gets used to after long term chronic use. There is a huge difference between the withdrawal symptoms associated with stopping marijuana use as compared to what is considered a physically addictive substance. Stop using marijuana, sugar, coffee, soda pop and you might have real cravings, if you've been a chronic user you may even feel bad and you may even have headaches, stomach aches, and other minor problems.

Compare that to opiates, and many anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications. The withdrawal from those substances can cause serious health risks which can require medical assistance. Heroin withdrawal for instance is so severe it can cause death. The same is true of many commonly prescribed medicines, that's why you're often told not to stop using some medicines except on your doctors order and under their supervision.

The fact is any individual who is prescribed any prescription drug is at risk of many more and much more severe side effects than someone using marijuana. In fact many things that are brought up about the dangers of marijuana, are also experienced with chronic use of substances like caffeine, tobacco, or alcohol.

I'm glad you understand that the things you brought up in your reply, are things to be aware of, but don't justify the prohibition that's been in effect for the last 70 years.
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Yeah I do agree with everything you're saying. I was a chronic long-time user (not nearly as bad as some of my buddies, but I did smoke every day for a while), so that's probably why I felt the withdrawal the way I did.

These weren't really minor to me either, it was way more than headaches and slight nausea. During those first few days my anxiety was through the roof, my heart would start beating really fast out of nowhere, I had chest pains, I'd start getting sweaty and my throat felt tight, amongst other things. I actually had to leave work because of it (back when I had a job). It was something I definitely don't wanna have to go through again.

Even with that being said, you're right, it's still safer than almost all prescription meds that doctors are prescribing these days and my experience doesn't really change my opinion on it. I know my case is pretty rare because almost every person I know smokes and some of them are heavy users and they never had the symptoms I did.

Although, I'm sure there have to be some sort of bad effects on the lungs from ingesting all that smoke. Marijuana itself may not be bad, but inhaling smoke can't be good for you.
 
J1218 said:
These weren't really minor to me either, it was way more than headaches and slight nausea. During those first few days my anxiety was through the roof, my heart would start beating really fast out of nowhere, I had chest pains, I'd start getting sweaty and my throat felt tight, amongst other things. I actually had to leave work because of it (back when I had a job). It was something I definitely don't wanna have to go through again...
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Yeah when I say minor, I'm not suggesting that it necessarily feels minor. But from a medical standpoint, they are minor indications as compared to something like withdrawal from heroin or other opiates (including many prescription drugs).

Also, the withdrawal symptoms your describing are very similar to what is dealt with for alcohol withdrawal (actually even alcohol withdrawal is even more dangerous than marijuana withrawal). That's one of the reasons any discussion about the cons of marijuana are usually better made as a comparison to alcohol rather than with cocaine, amphetamines, or opiates (which is what the DOJ prohibitionists want to draw a comparison with).

Even the argument that smoking marijuana may cause lung cancer isn't conclusive. While inhaling smoke may seem to obviously be a bad thing, studies aren't all in agreement as to what the actual effect may be. Unlike cigarette smoking which has been definitely determined to cause cancers, marijuana has some properties which seem to reduce the risks of cancer. There's still a lot of research that needs to be done in regards to that issue. In the case of cigarettes the government decided a warning label requirement was good enough. Even if there might be similar risks, marijuana still has many beneficial properties that tobacco does not have. You would think that if a cancer risk warning is good enough regarding cigarettes, it isn't really any kind of justification for the prohibition of marijuana.
 
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