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About to buy SEO Elite... Advice Needed...!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by stevesdata, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. stevesdata

    stevesdata Regular Member

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    Hello

    I am about to bite the bullet and purchase SEO Elite. I looked through the version histories and because its being updated to stop you getting bans from big g for automated searches etc. and the hassle activating I have seen in other posts I think I will buy.

    I already own Market Samurai which I will use for most stuff but SEO Elite I think covers enough stuff like gathering webmasters emails from the whois to send link swap emails and a few other things. I also like using for a more detailed way of analysing sites backlinks etc.

    Just wondering how the software is atm I heard a lot of complaints about accuracy issues with it. I would def trust Market Samurai over it but is it worth having both? Pretty sure SEO Elite does a fair bit MS doesnt.

    Also is it worth buying through any of the deals with KW Elite 2 I saw one deal for $99 for both?

    Does anyone know if there are plans to launch a new SEO Elite? Brad screwed a lot of KW Elite owners and made them pay $$$$

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  2. jimbobo2779

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    Last time I checked any of his software it was totally outdated, he very very rarely updates anything. Thats all I need to know. Oh yeah also his lifetime updates mean shit all.
     
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    Search the forum,you will find it here ;)
     
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  4. stevesdata

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    Thanks a lot for the advice.

    I would like to hear as much information as possible from ppl who use it.

    I am taking on a few SEO clients and planned to use a mixture of IBP, MS and SEO Elite.

    Planning on only using SEO Elite for things that the other two cant do. I cant remember exactly but I know there are a few things that caught my attention the backlink analysis and capturing emails for mass mailouts.

    As far as I am aware it is still the best thing available for analysing a sites backlinks PR, whois, info from different SE's and creates a template to work towards for trying to beat competitors in terms of linking.

    What are ppls opinions on IBP (Internet Business Promoter)? This seems to be the best thing I have found for client reporting but I am dubious of any automated research tool. MS rocks but even then I know it is far from perfect.

    Long term I will probably have to look into making some of my own macros and testing other softwares.

    Other software I have looked at includes Web CEO that looks excellent but have never managed to get hold of a full copy to test. I intend to buy all the software but testing is handy so you can buy the stuff if you then use it regularly. I am trying to set up a legitimate business and would rather pay software creators than the tax man!

    @Jimbobo really interested in your projects let me know what your thoughts are for anything suitable for white hat projects.

    :)
     
  5. robertodelgato

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    I'm pretty sure there's a limited version or 30day trial or some such on the SEOE website. Try it out - legit version - and make up your mind.

    And it is available here in some version or another. I agree with the previous poster that said that it's not updated very often.
     
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    I tried the legit version but only got it to run once, second time I tried to run it the program asked for my email address again and said it was already registered and refused to run... used the portable version from here no problem.

    However found little to no use for it... MS covered everything I wanted.
     
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  7. seoagent

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    Well Steve, maybe since I created the SEO Elite Training Center for Bryxen Software Inc. two years ago, I can lend you my thoughts. ;)

    You'll want to round out your education with Web CEO. It will cost you around $600 for everything or more,and the monthly and annual fees will cost you as well. You can download a free copy to try. I have tried it and it is a monster program.

    You can also take the education they provide via SEMPO (Search Engine Marketing Professionals Organization). They have a chapter at almost every university in North America now.

    Also head over to
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    an check out their SEO Suite. I was supposed to create their training centers as well last year, but I am still bogged down with a very large WordPress Project. It'll cost you as well. About $600 US. You'll want to pick this up as well.

    As far as SEO Elite goes, Project One: "Analyze backlinks using a specified search engine," is an excellent program. You will need to read up on using proxy IP numbers and how to not get banned from Google and Alexa Servers. All is included in the training.

    SEO Elite is fast enough though. I also use it for Project Five: "Find where your site is ranked for a given keyword(s)." Very useful!

    Now as far as updates are concerned, I have had updates as late as this summer. However, the copyright on the About Window still dates the product as 2007! And what others have pointed out Steve, Bryxen Software Inc. does not have any news regarding ever upgrading this product as of this post.

    Further, you are correct! MANY Bryxen Software Inc. Customers who purchased Keyword Elite 1.0 were very dismayed about being introduced to the discrepancy regarding the difference between "updates" and "upgrades."

    Bryxen Software Inc. got themselves into a corner correcting many of their customers on what the technical difference was. And decided to stand behind their decision waiting for anyone who wanted to challenge them, to do so through legal proceedings.

    In other words, Keyword Elite 1.0 Customers, (All 28,000 Plus of them) would not be able to "upgrade" to Keyword Elite 2.0. But were told they could still look forward to receiving any "updates" to Keyword Elite 1.0.

    However, there is no news as to when if ever, there will be any further "updates" to Keyword Elite 1.0. And at the time of this posting, the Keyword Elite 1.0 Sales Page is non-accessible. It is clear Bryxen Software Inc. will not be permitting any new sales of Keyword Elite 1.0.

    Further to these findings Steve, Keyword Elite 2.0 now displays the words, "Beta" on the start screen, as well as under the "About" screen within the software application. This is clearly to protect Bryxen Software Inc.'s position to continue to make claims this is a "Beta" Version. And not a final release version.

    Coincidentally, Market Samurai already has been flogging it's miracle software application with the "Beta" word for over a year now. However, they have released their "Platinum Beta Version." To which great confusion has stemmed as to what exactly this version means.

    My understanding is MS Platinum is a Paid Developer's Version. The Final release version is to be released sometime in the next 2-3 weeks. I suspect they are still being challenged by the Adwords Module.

    I'm still waiting for news on the Affiliate Schedule from MS. And I haven't. So I have figured it is because MS is not quite ready yet. Otherwise I would have received this module yesterday already. And I didn't.

    So, I would say, if you can still get a deal to purchase KE 2.0 along with SEO Elite, then go for it. But you may want to rethink this whole seo business. It will cost you more than just buying the software apps. You have to start somewhere for sure.

    Aaron has written the SEO Book. I would advise signing up there and also at
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    Randall and his gang can sure give you an ear full. They have been selling SEO Services in San Francisco, CA, USA, for several years now.

    Maybe get some more advice from them, so you know what to expect in the service business of SEO. I have personally found, it comes down to two types of customers: The quick fix, and the long term. You can try and convert quick fix customers into long term customers, but it is hard to do.

    I have found it is best to hook up as a provider to a web design company to get business. SEO is just like law or accounting. It is a daily exercise. Your customers need to understand this more than any other point of SEO.

    Once you get them to understand that, you can start writing up annual service agreements with a 30 day notice clause. (Get a lawyer or revise some other SEO Business's agreements to suite.) This is by far the best way to go. It will result in less headaches for you. You'll be able to focus on just a handful of Key clients. And you'll have long term money coming in monthly. You'll get better referrals of the same as well over time.

    If you want to do one better, focus on your local market businesses that ship across borders right now. They have the need to reach more customers over the web to help increase sales elsewhere. This reduces their travel costs for the sales reps. And you can help them find where their new markets may emerge.

    Well Steve, alot to ponder. Take you time. Set up a plan. Then start to buy all the best software out there. Hope this little insight has been helpful to you and those reading it. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. bobbylove321

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    I bought Keyword Elite and SEO Elite when it first came out, and while it was good back then, the softwares definitely went down the drain. They are very outdated, and hardly do anything "SEO" wise. I mean it shows you who your competitors link to, etc, but you can do this very easily yourself with better quality. SEO Elite also rarely updates, and when it does, it's only "fixing" the bugs/glitches that come up, so it's not even an update.
     
  9. seoagent

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    It's really sad isn't it? Such a future, but the future lies with the owner. Who in fact just sent me another email soliciting other people's products. Brad told me he spends part of his time marketing other people's products, like an affiliate.

    And so do so many other people who create only a few products themselves. For me and others, it is disheartening to see a forum visited by at least 60K a month just only two years ago, dry up to only 3-4 posts a day for all of his products.

    Brad learned his trade from Derek Gehl when it comes to Internet Marketing. And Brad was into Business Commerce at University. That is not exactly how one becomes a software developer.

    And lets face it, if Brad were really into software applications, he would have become a programmer, not a business manager. But its not too late to change the road you're on, LOL!;)
     
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    seoagent very nice posts. I'm a long time user of keyword and seo elite. I was pissed when KE 2 came out and he was charging previous customers for it. I emailed him about my concerns and he responed with some more crap. I refuse to purchase KE 2, he can kiss my a$$.

    Although it still works, I've been using Market Samurai. It's just as good if not better.

    I think greed has gotten the better of Brad and I'm willing to bet that a lot of his old customers are jumping ship.

    Oh one more thing; I hope he reads this thread because I want him to know what we really think about his business practices.
     
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  11. seoagent

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    Glad you like them!:)

    You must have received his letter regarding the difference between "updates" and "upgrades." LOL!

    To be fair Popcrdom29, lets see where MS is in four years. I have been busy, but I do have it on schedule to thoroughly rip apart both products. So I can advise what needs to be fixed. Depending on my diplomacy and the willingness of each company to foresee their future unfold; will determine which product will out pace the other, if any at all.

    The web never sleeps. And it never so far, has stopped to revise current hot products. Because of this break neck speed in development, we can expect to see new entries into these markets. And of course see current companies invest even larger amounts of money to keep pace.

    To be more clear Popcrdom29, I believe Bryxen Software Inc. Customers have been leaving in droves ever since the emergence of their Affiliate Elite Product back in November, 2007. And it wasn't so much the products themselves, as it was the sales pages for these products that eventually doomed Bryxen Software Inc.'s future successes.

    At that time, I could see trouble ahead, that could not be diverted. Bryxen Software Inc. had initially sold a few thousand units of AE on launch. But the market they chose to sell too, demanded Bryxen Software Inc. demonstrate step by step, how they were supposed to make all that money. All that money Bryxen Software Inc.'s Sales Pages so reverently claimed Brad was making with just each software product.

    And if you visit anyone of Bryxen Software Inc. Sales Pages, you will see this same practice is still in effect. I am sure you can see dozens of the same with other people who sell via Click Bank and else where. It's like they all use the same formula.

    Nothing wrong with it, except they are purposefully targeting the same market: "Desperate Buyers Only." Bryxen Software Inc.'s Sales Pages attract and are marketed to people with very little education on the essentials of operating an online business of any sorts.

    And with such low reference points if any, this target market does exactly what it is supposed to do: Hand over their money with just one sales page of content. Why? Because they are desperate for change. We have all been there at one point or another in our lives.

    What I personally find upsetting, is the most successful Internet Marketers online, are those very people who do not demonstrate step by step how to make all that money that is claimed on their sales pages. You'll never see an offer that says, "I did it, and so can you! In fact I am going to show you step by step how to make this money with my software. I'll be in your city on..."

    Rather you see (sometimes cleverly disguised in small grey print) at the bottom of the sales page, a disclaimer to financial results. And how they cannot guarantee you will do the same. Fair enough. But shouldn't that be at the top of the sales page?

    Sure it should. But only if you are selling to people who are educated in what it takes to earn money online. And not for the current target markets these people are selling to. For desperate impulsive buyers, they need to tell you the end result right away! They know this target group of buyers will not really stay long enough to really do what it really takes to make money online.

    We could go on and on what else they know as well. But you get the point. You are right. Greed has taken hold of these people. Otherwise how do you think they sleep at night, knowing they are taking in money from people who have no business buying software.

    And to be fair, they learned form the top pirate himself, Bill Gates of Microsoft. He sold OS Software to computer companies who sold computers to people who had no business buying computers.

    And of course all of these people know what they are doing and who they are selling to. They do it, because they make more money this way. But yes Popcrdom29, they could have targeted a more experienced user market and made far less in the short run. But would have had a more measurable reputation and longer running profit margin in the long term.

    LOL! He already wrote me two weeks ago, expressing his disdain regarding my comments on BHW. But to be fair, I failed at 23 with my multi-million dollar venture. Tony Robbins followed suit. And so too Brad is experiencing that too high of success at an early age brings forth serious errors in judgment, due to lack of life experiences and a strong moral upbringing.

    The difference though, is Brad will not fall far. There is still time even for Brad to change the road he is on. However up to this point, Brad respects more of an affiliate who can sell alot of his software. Without that, it is difficult for Brad to take heart to what you are saying. This has been my personal experience.

    In the end, you probably don't have to give it too much thought as I do. I still have to lead these champs to water and hope they drink from the well of truth. Rather than watch them stagger in a drunk-like stupor, successfully seduced by their own successes and money. We'll see soon enough.;)
     
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  12. VinceC

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    Hi seoagent, very well written posting of all in bhw :) I believe I would want to subscribe to your postings(if there is any :p). Or maybe your blog if any.
     
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    Thanks! Let me make it easy for you:
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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/8258-seoagent.html
    Then click on "Statistics" Tab. Then click on either:
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    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258"]Find all posts by seoagent[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258&starteronly=1"]Find all threads started by seoagent[/URL]
    
    You can also start bookmarking your favorite posters here in BHW doing the same thing for their own profile pages.

    As far as my own blog? LOL! I've been working with WordPress Core Development. So I can release a MUWP Platform that works on just one domain. As opposed to an infinite MUWP utilizing sub domains, which is what the WP Domain does right now.

    There is alot more to it besides the above. But ya sure VinceC, when I get it done, hopefully within the next 30 days; I'll come back here and update my links and maybe even use a signature link, LOL! :rolleyes:
     
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  14. seoagent

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    Thanks! Let me make it easy for you:
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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/8258-seoagent.html
    Then click on "Statistics" Tab. Then click on either:
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    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258"]Find all posts by seoagent[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258&starteronly=1"]Find all threads started by seoagent[/URL]
    
    You can also start bookmarking your favorite posters here in BHW doing the same thing for their own profile pages.

    As far as my own blog? LOL! I've been working with WordPress Core Development. So I can release a MUWP Platform that works on just one domain. As opposed to an infinite MUWP utilizing sub domains, which is what the WP Domain does right now.

    There is alot more to it besides the above. But ya sure VinceC, when I get it done, hopefully within the next 30 days; I'll come back here and update my links and maybe even use a signature link, LOL! :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks! Let me make it easy for you:
    Code:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/8258-seoagent.html
    Then click on "Statistics" Tab. Then click on either:
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    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258"]Find all posts by seoagent[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/search.php?do=finduser&u=8258&starteronly=1"]Find all threads started by seoagent[/URL]
    
    You can also start bookmarking your favorite posters here in BHW doing the same thing for their own profile pages.

    As far as my own blog? LOL! I've been working with WordPress Core Development. So I can release a MUWP Platform that works on just one domain. As opposed to an infinite MUWP utilizing sub domains, which is what the WP Domain does right now.

    There is alot more to it besides the above. But ya sure VinceC, when I get it done, hopefully within the next 30 days; I'll come back here and update my links and maybe even use a signature link, LOL! :rolleyes:
     
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    Get Market Samurai. It is way better.
     
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    I already have MS as mentioned in the first post. I even decided to buy it despite the fact I could get it for free ;)

    @ seoagent you seriously rock thanks for all the help. I will look into all the above your advice is sound I am using some of these techniques to grab business as we speak. I looked for some of your previous posts.

    I am interested in what you said about SEMPO as I was dubious the training was very basic and covered by Aaron Wall, Brad and SEOmoz. SEOmoz I am thoroughly turned off by their scammy sales approaches. Much like out friend Brad ;)

    I will look into testing these softwares and see how it goes. Will look into reinvesting in KW Elite 2, SEO Elite, Web CEO and the Power Suite. Although slightly confused about Web CEO as i thought their free version had a lot of features and was about $600-ish for the full version with no recurring fees?

    Will try to test and try before buying wherever possible. I actually misread the sales page for SEO Elite I thought it was $47 but is actually $47 with multiple payments of $30 (I was SOOO close to misreading and buying as I think a few members have here). I think there is a link for KW Elite 2 and SEO Elite for $99? Might grab that.

    I am also considering becoming a SEMPO member etc. but need to guage the rewards. PPL keep advising me no one gives a sh1t about SEMPO but I would like to go for a very pro approach and join the best memberships etc. (BHW is obviously #1 ;))

    Thanks again for the help.

    :)
     
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    Hey guy, just a couple of thoughts. I coach a small group of SEO students myself. Being doing SEO for 4 years. I use Web ceo and love it. However, my students showed me a trick to get a discount. If you sign up for the free version, you'll get an email in a few weeks for 1/2 off if you buy.

    They got the entire system plus the training for about $300.00.

    Webceo is a big monster, but really not that tough for the great features it has.

    Hopefully that will help somone down the road.

    Matt
     
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    Your very welcome Steve!:)

    LOL! Sounds like, they are focused on money and not people's true needs.:(

    This just in! I updated KE 2.0 last night. It works now, LOL! Now is a good time to buy. Re: WebCEO, it uses alot of data mining services, which they have to pay for. So ya, there are annual and monthly fees. But the data is great! You need to see first if the software is something you will enjoy using. Talk to their people and see what they can do for you.:rolleyes:

    Also, it doesn't hurt to always contact the owner at Bryxen Software, Inc. and let them know, you want the deal of $97 PLUS SEO Elite INCLUDED. I see no reason why you can't just ask for it. I have been doing this for years, since 1997. :D

    You can always ask for a better deal anywhere. Maybe you will get one. Don't be surprised. Just ask nicely and mention you did not receive the intro deal. If you have time, barter some of your services and such. Do this for every software company you deal with. No matter how large. ;)

    What I can tell you is, after completing their program, you can even teach locally at Universities through SEMPO's Chartered Locations. I don't have to tell you how much business locally you wil receive in referrals. Never mind how much woman dig smart guys, if you happen to be single. You won't be for long!:eek:

    You're welcome Steve!;)
     
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    Thanks for this I am super interested in Web CEO but was put off by the subscriptions?

    I have checked out:

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    Still cant see subscription info?

    How is the free version. That seems really good to me? Is there a catch it seems to do 99% except reporting. What is the best solution to automate client reporting? This is one of my main concerns.

    I am happy to purchase some stuff. Where does IBP fit into this? I have been testing the reporting and like that but not super impressed with anything else.

    :)