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A possible scam going or will happen in future!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by IAmNotLegend, Jan 3, 2015.

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  1. IAmNotLegend

    IAmNotLegend Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Look at the profile of this member - Baokydev

    He posts threads in 'Hire A Freelancer' section every now and then. All thread include two conditions, also noting he is paying way low for work involved -

    1. No upfront. Will only pay after the work is complete (100% not even a partial payment or instalments)
    2. He got to like the work done by you, if he doesn't like it, you don't get paid.

    His these conditions are always questioned by members of forum as absurd, since no developer works without upfront. Yet, he is back with same type of threads and same conditions.

    Why this a possible scam?

    1. Well someone might work and do all the work of developing and designing a website and all he could say is - "I didn't like it, so no payment". And the freelancers on BHW are likely to fall for it.
    2. He or any other member responds back on whether work was complete or not.

    Why I am so sure?

    I tested him when he needed a developer. (Of course I got the job done from a trainee, not going to waste a professional's time, and the work was not up to the mark and I was aware of it). I asked him what was lacking and all he got to say each time was - "Look at the reference website, and ask the developer to find himself what he has missed" (What is this some puzzle game going on?)

    Long story short, removed from Skype Contact, and stops responding. (Got scammed. I don't mind since the coder was trainee and I was checking his potentials)

    Why thread in lounge section?

    Not going to shitlist him. But I want to warn other members who still respond to his threads although all his past threads were bashed down by senior members. It is utmost thing that you check past posts/threads of members with whom you are going to trade/work with.
     
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  2. theqbot

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    That's shitheaded not to pay at least something. These kind of guys reside also in odesk, they ask you to work outside of it and won't pay if they aren't happy
     
  3. White Night

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    Just like a dick
    I mean if he doesn't like the work, he can ask for another version, but remove skype or don't response after you delivery the work that make me feel like he just try to play us
     
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    lol, you TESTED him even after reading those conditions and the post history??

    Anyway thanks for the heads-up.
     
  5. IAmNotLegend

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    It was one of his fist thread in HaF section. And the project was large enough to spend some resources on.

    I was lucky enough that I had a trainee who was required to be tested before recruiting, unfortunately both failed in their attempts - Buyer and Trainee.
     
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    When I see such buyers who expect that everything will go as he wants leaving no room for the seller, I wonder...

    [​IMG]

    Bro, do you even lift?
     
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    Judging from his fishy threads, He doesn't look like someone who an buy anything. His conditions are tough and i dont think any developer can get into such a deal. I hope nobody falls for his trap..
     
  8. pavan

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    I tried working with him once but he was very reluctant in giving the server details hence I had to cancel the deal
     
  9. singingsleep

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    I dunno man. It goes both ways. I am seriously considering opening a BST myself, and have already decided not to accept upfront payment. I have done online sales for ages and I know that 99% of the time things go just fine when you're doing good business. The few that rip me off are a cost of business. If customer approves of result before payment, I get less problems/complaints/questions, which saves me time, which is money. But service in question would be much cheaper. But yeah I could definitely see why buyers wouldn't want to pay upfront.
     
  10. baokydev

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    Okay, I think since its about me , I should actually post here to explain what happen.


    Let me tell u why I did not engage IAmALegend Despite he do my work.


    Basically he just give me a piece of work, with some pink background and a cartoon dancing, and some div drawn table. Anyone can pm me and I can show you the jokes that he give to me.

    Why I refused to pay and accept the job is because the work is less than 30% similar to what I ask for.

    You can refer to the thread I open that I mention I want theme design similar to


    http://www.animeultima.tv
    http://www.animeshow.tv
    http://www.animedreaming.tv


    and this is what he give me

    http://i61.tinypic.com/mjpueb.png

    and for video page its this

    http://i61.tinypic.com/157osht.png



    Tell me guys, why should I accept a piece of work that is not even close to what I described, I had many talk with this guy and I told him
    what are the changes I need and he say he will go re-do, instead he come here to shitlist me.

    I work with many SEO providers in BHW & free lancer and even if I don't pay upfront to some of them, I do pay them if they give me work close to what I want or at least
    70%.


    You be the judge, take a look at my reference site and tell me if I should accept that crappy work IAMLegend give me
     
  11. baokydev

    baokydev BANNED BANNED

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    Fishy guy who don't buy any shit ? you just don't know about me, please see the response above and see why I remove that shit head IAmLegend from my skype.

    He given me like 4 to 5 versions, and all is moving that pink shit background with some stupid cartoon on the back that not even professionally done.

    I given him many valuable feedbacks but he did not make changes to what I want.
     
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    Joker, you not even close to deliver what I want. I feel I had no need to continue on talking shit with you, because you give me like 4 to 5 version and all of them are crappy work not even close to what I want, I told you I can pay higher like $180 from my original quote $100 but you keep give me some pink shit background with cartoon dancing and weird div positioning.

    I am a programmer myself and I had expectation when I find free lancer. I always say I don't pay upfront but I hire before several coders here like ttrox and steven and some other designer, web designer or what, and they give me quality work and I paid them.

    I also spend near thousand to build on my SEO at the Link Building corner, you can check my live reply and so with my transaction id post, whoever shit say that I don't spend money here, go fuk yourself please.

    I spend much more than you piece of low earner spend. I don't need to scam over a small $180 when I make that amount a day on my sites and twice to triple the amount on my full time job A DAY
     
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  13. baokydev

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    Why do I have to give server details if some thing can be done on your environment. Not all people willing to share confidential server data. That does not make me a fishy person because I choose to protect my server integrity and find someone who is flexible enough to resolve my issue.

    Just laugh at yourself for being incapable to adapt to client request.
     
  14. IAmNotLegend

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    Yeah, it is very valuable feedback -

    The last version, on how it would have looked if installed.
    [28-Nov-14 12:13:54 AM] baokychen: i saw
    [28-Nov-14 12:13:56 AM] baokychen: but its not enough
    [28-Nov-14 12:14:07 AM] baokychen: maybe need look at site like
    [28-Nov-14 12:14:09 AM] baokychen: www.animedreaming.tv
    [28-Nov-14 12:14:11 AM] baokychen: and www.animeshow.tv
    [28-Nov-14 12:14:15 AM] baokychen: then will understand
     
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    Did you see the images I post, is your work even close to any of the site I mention, please don't lie to yourself.
    I mention before, quality provider are all kept at my skype.

    I hold a very high rank at my company and I always post design job to designers here. If you really capable and not bullshit my time with your crappy trainee work, would I even not paid you and reject your work, block your skype because you never improve on any of your version.

    I GIVEN YOU 5 CHANCES to prove yourself. you said you will improve on the template and make changes. and everytime you give me the version, its always that PINK BACKGROUND WITH a stupid cartoon dancing.

    Its something I NEVER EVEN SAW BEFORE IN ANY OF THE ANIME SITE I VISIT. I don't want be a joke for using your template.

    Assume you make something totally SAME as any of the 3 sites, I can tell you that the money will be in your pocket. My request was not hard.
     
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    I am not sure if he is a scammer or not
    but he definitely has attitude probem
     
  17. baokydev

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    Everyone got attitude problem, and I only show it to people who fail to provide me quality work.

    I work very well with quality provider, I don't see why I can't show attitude to people who I need to pay $180 for a template and give me some pink background shit and I still need to thanks him for his "hard work"?
     
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    baokydev I noticed you started 34 threads in hire a freelancer section but you got only 4 itrades
    can you post some references to the threads where you actually had a deal with any member (apart from your itrades) ?

    and just FYI this is not a shit list thread, its just an awareness thread
     
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  19. baokydev

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    Why I prefer not to give upfront.

    http://i61.tinypic.com/mjpueb.png
    http://i61.tinypic.com/157osht.png


    Its because of provider like IAmLegend who give crappy work. Just scroll up and see the 2 images I attached and compare with any of the 3 sites below

    http://www.animeultima.tv
    http://www.animedreaming.tv
    http://www.animeshow.tv

    its something I give him for idea that what I wanted the template to look like.
     
  20. IAmNotLegend

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    Like I told in original post that it was never my developers working on your website, it was some trainee who wanted to work with us. Your thread was busted by other members for no upfront by other members and to prove them right I chose to work with you.

    Whatever, it is my responsibility to prevent members from getting cheated, your conditions look fishy. Still, this thread is going to be closed any time by a MOD, you can post whatever you want till then. Rather than flaming me back you can ask other freelancers who worked on your projects and were successfully paid for it. That should settle this!
     
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