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A Challenging And Seemingly Honest IQ Test From Japan

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  1. ptword

    ptword Newbie

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    As far as I can tell, it's one of the rare online tests that doesn't artificially boost your results. So I'm curious to see just how accurate it is (or perceived to be) with the general population.

    Just found it by accident.

    http://inspirationlife.jp/iq2016jp/

    You have 43 minutes to answer 38 questions. It's in the style of most pattern recognition tests, but it's not entirely culture fair.

    I got no more than 118 (SD15). Way lower than what I usually get in this kind of tests (130s/140s), but a much more believable score if I'm honest with myself.

    If you have the courage to have your ego crushed by what might be one of the most accurate free IQ tests on the internet, go ahead and try to ace it.

    Post your results here. For an 'accurate' reading you should be older than 18.

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    EDIT: I'm in no way associated with this test or its creator.
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    My view on IQ tests is that they're inherently flawed by design. I did it for fun though: 127
     
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  3. ptword

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    I agree that IQ tests have a very limited ability to assess true 'intelligence'. I do these tests mostly for fun too. And simple curiosity.

    I'd say that's a pretty good score on this test. Have you been professionally tested?
     
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    finished with 20 minutes left FeelsDumbMan :oops:
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Here's one I took honestly.
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    Here's the one where I cheated! :D
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    In case you're wondering how I managed to miss one after I cheated, my mouse has a double-click button I hit by mistake.

    Anyway, I used to like playing these games in the past (Because that's what these are. Games). However, after a while the questions start becoming familiar and easier to answer, especially if you take the same test repeatedly.

    There was also a site like that based on the Raven's Progressive Matrices test that I found many years ago. What made it interesting is that nobody ever shared the answers to it. I got to a point where I was really good at it, but there were always a couple of questions I kept missing. Over time, I was able to deduce which questions they were, but strangely enough, it was as if none of the answers were right.
     
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  6. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    No and will never do as long as its up to me. The reason is that if IQ tests are a bad estimator of intelligence, the number you get as a result means you will be misinformed. If it's underestimating your intelligence, you'll feel you are stupid and that may lead to risk-averseness. If it's overestimating your intelligence, you'd feel smart and that may lead to excess risk-seeking.

    In other words, the only useful estimation is the right one. So what need would one have for a wrong estimation?

    Edit: Plus, one can "easily" get a high IQ result, if he/she puts the hours to study. The number of "ideas" behind the tests are finite and limited. So, it might be good for bragging rights, if one cares for that.
     
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  7. ptword

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    If any of you guys has ever been professionally tested, feel free to comment about the accuracy of this test.

    @nikchaing, that's still a good score. And you still had a lot of time...

    @Zwielicht, what was that old site you're referring to? If it's still up, of course... Nowadays, we can find way too many online IQ tests presumably based on the Raven's.
     
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    Yes, there's that risk. Professional testing tries to safeguard against errors and misjudgements. It's safer to work with a range. But the important thing would be to wisely manage expectations and not let the idea of a single number dictate one's life.

    I think we can agree that IQ tests are useful tools to assess different levels of cognitive 'health'. In other words, tools with which psychologists can determine whether or not someone is intellectually impaired or gifted, which, depending on the applicable field (usually early school or psychiatric evaluation) enables special treatment to be carried out according to the subject's needs. This is as 'exact science' as it gets.

    Outside this realm, however, I'd say that knowing one's IQ has little to no practical use for the vast majority of the 'healthy' population.

    There are high range IQ tests for that.
     
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  9. Zwielicht

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    I think it was raventest.net, but it doesn't look like the site is still up.

    As for if I've been professionally tested, I briefly mentioned it in this post, however I'm unsure of what tests they gave me and what score I received. Quite frankly, I never cared, either. It's just like what Jazzc said about IQ tests being bad at estimating intelligence. It's much better to learn your strengths and weaknesses, that way you can work off of that and improve yourself.
     
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  10. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    In other words, they don't measure intelligence, but they act as a compartmentalizing method for other purposes.

    I think we can agree on that :)

    I was not aware of the term so I googled that, clicked the first result, clicked the sample test and it's heavy on series. That's mostly practice, i.e. memory and knowing to do addition and multiplication fast. There's the OEIS which has a metric shit ton of them: https://oeis.org/wiki/Index_to_OEIS
     
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    I thought by "high range IQ tests", he was referring to IQ tests that have a higher ceiling (e.g., 170 rather than the 130 ceiling that most clinical tests have). If I recall correctly, they usually only have patients take those tests when they score too close to the ceiling of the regular tests.

    By the way, you might find this interesting.
    http://www.malonefamilyfoundation.org/whatisgifted_assessing2.html
     
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  12. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    To have a higher ceiling, you need to make people fail at more questions. So, since the pool of "smart" questions is inherently limited, the only choice is to test with questions that are much much more a matter of practice.

    Thanks for the link, I'll go through it when I wake up.
     
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    I only got 115 on that. That got quite difficult/boring
     
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    By "high range IQ tests" I was indeed referring to tests with high ceilings. These are typically geared for individuals with IQs higher than 130. Many can be found with some googling.

    Many such tests are linked here, for example:

    http://miyaguchi.4sigma.org/index.html
    http://ultimaiq.net

    Decent tests cannot be 'easily' practiced for because they truly require some real depth of thought and creativity. Many will charge a fee, though.

    Luckily, there are a couple of free high range tests that are widely acknowledged to be the most accurate on the internet: the JCTI and the CCAT. They were designed by Xavier Jouve (a PhD psychologist) and have been statistically verified to be highly reliable instruments with strong correlations with other professional/real instruments like the WAIS, ACT, GRE or SAT. The JCTI assesses 'fluid intelligence' like most pattern recognition tests and is truly culture fair; the CCAT taps 'crystalized intelligence' (verbal, mathematical, general knowledge).

    Link to the JCTI: http://www.cerebrals.org/jcti/index.html

    Can't find a link to the CCAT, unfortunately.

    Both tests are untimed. The JCTI has a maximum of 55 questions, but it ends as soon as you answer incorrectly five consecutive times. It can be very difficult if you're not used to high range tests and can take hours to finish. Only the first try counts. So if you go for it honestly and invest a serious effort (don't waste your time if you're just gonna "get bored" and/or "click randomly" until it ends), you're likely to get the most accurate assessment of your 'fluid intelligence' IQ you could possibly get for free.

    A pretty useful tool for bragging rights or to crush one's egos.

    Prior and after the test you will be asked to disclose some info about yourself, your academic achievements and results from other IQ/aptitude tests for statistics. You can use a fake name and email address, but make sure you type your real age to get an accurate result. By the way, the score is not a single IQ number, but a 10-point RIX (reasoning index) range with 95% confidence interval. It does closely translate to IQ on a SD15 scale, though.

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    Anyway, this thread is about the test on the OP. Not many courageous folks until now...
     
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    A few years ago www.mensa.org invited me to join after a test I've done with them, but I couldn't care less as it's pretty useless anyhow. Being considered "intelligent" by these tests doesn't equal success. There are plenty of "intelligent" people that are failing at life.

    In my opinion, intelligence has various forms, and these tests focus only on mathematical logic. That's the thing I excel at, but there are things at which I suck big time. For example, I consider that I have a relatively bad memory, and that's a thing that I would care about way more than "intelligence."

    I find these tests pretty easy and totally not bulletproof. I used to do them just for fun years ago and although the exercises are different, there are patterns as well. Once you know how to do them, you know where to look for to find the right answer.

    As the guys above me already said, practicing could definitely help you get a better score and the other reason why people shouldn't care about this it's because it's just a number, obtaining a lower or a higher number than expected will not make you more stupid or intelligent than what you already are.

    Best Regards,
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on buddy. Come on buddy. We all know you posted that pic to get ya ego sucked off and it doesn't look like anyone here's done a proper job, so allow me :D
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    Mate that's actually a very, very high IQ. Something like less than 1 in 1000 or fewer people score that high (depending on the st. dev scale they are using) and it's definitely worth being proud of.

    I see a bunch of people here getting salty about IQ tests in general because they hit low-mid 120s while their ego tells them they are 140+. This conflict between reality and fiction is painful so don't worry about it. Bro, you have a brain that can understand any scientific concept to date, get a degree in any field without limit and excel in anything you put your mind into. IQ tests aren't just simple puzzles - because if they were, a lot more people would be in the 140-150 range. After a certain point, the brain can only go as fast as it's wired to do so. Yours is wired with the best of the best that has ever walked this earth :D.

    Very good job man, keep it up.
     
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  17. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Oh, why did you do that pewep? How can I face the cruel reality that I'm a nobody stupid loser? I mean, claiming IQ tests don't test intelligence? So stupid of me. I'll go buy a flock of sheep and live the rest of my life as a shepherd - hopefully I will be up to the intellectual task.
     
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    I only slipped that in because I scored 93 and fuck it, if you can't join them or beat them, drag them down to your level :D.
     
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    Solving IQ tests is not fun. Making them could be :) .Matrix tests? Intelligence is not about equilibrium, 3 of this 3 of that,or few steps of deduction. Creation, problem solving and adaptation is what counts. Having offered 6 answers? Real tests shouldn't have choice answers , but blank ones.

    And who is to say what correct answer is (in general)?

    When i was 12 i used to like these tests, because i didn't understand "ego boost" thing back then.I solve it, get a nice score. Then i repeat it, change some answers, ambiguity always shroud some "difficult" ones, get better score, feel more boosted. And my guys thats the key. Those tests are mainly used today as a part of scams where they charge you to send you result.

    Lets have a few words about ambiguity questions in matrix tests :

    Smart person will notice in-congruent answers in 10-50 seconds.You know when its not exactly clear which way it could go , you find few plausible patterns of equal simplicity and they lead to different answers. Which answer is the right one? Is test maker right?Who says so? F U test maker , hack part is that imagining 5-step pattern is easier than uncovering it, solution proves methodology not intelligence. Its easier to hide than to find. Mathematicians will smirk when i mention how proving 2 ways of implication can have way different difficulties.


    On the other hand, i have more respect for problem solving tests with clear rules or creativity as a measure of IQ. Make something cool and everyone will respect you. Let mensa-wannabees stroke each-other and brag , 150+ iq guys will never mention it , or act entitled.And no this is not indirect smooth way of saying i'm one of those smart guys, i know a few, and they always have their ego in check .
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    While that's nice of you to say, I actually agree with what jazzc said. Additionally, there are actually a couple of issues with those online tests and the scores they provide.
    1. These online tests are more "for fun"; the results shouldn't be taken seriously.
    2. Hypothetically, if this were given to me in a clinical setting and I still scored 139, it's too close the ceiling, rendering the score inaccurate.
    As for the genuine tests, I'll just leave these links here.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/13/u...way-he-s-a-troubled-child.html?pagewanted=all
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/04/what-does-iq-really-measure
     
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