A Better SMM Market? ... Yeah I was thinking about it.

I was thinking about this the other day...

I sincerely believe that one of the main contributions SMM panels have provided to the black hat market points to an unquestionable amount of their economic input their success has brought forward to the market, one that sets them a considerable distance apart from other SEO reputable long-standing business sellers by a long shot.

This ferocious force, while at the same time a highly lucrative one, keeps propelling many to saturate the endless spaces of every corner in the internet with SMM panels selling cheap, fast, pre-packaged endless supplies of social media services to communities around the world containing massive amount of people willing to make, or make out of , a buck or two.

Up to this day, the SMM panel scene remains to this day fully untamed by the forces of the massive social media networks keeping each panel at bay.In layman's terms, this SMM panel business is unforgiving and filled to the brim with frenzied individuals seeking to make a dent in this uncontrolled wild-west unbridled money market scene and take some of that juicy goody lucrative money pie.

Without a doubt, many of the most famous SMM panels have experienced a meteoritic rise of customers joining their platform and making purchases. However let's not forget that their unprecedented growth does not wholly excuse their off-putting responses and treatments they have administered to some of their most loyal customers during rough technical difficulties. Or in other words when a "[INSERT SOCIAL NETWORK SITE]" does a whole 360 turn and start cleaning some of their shit left behind, and obvious clues to where their assets lie to fully wipe out any profits they have stashed away. If we search the vast terrains of the internet we can find clues of numerous carcasses of SMM panels that have succumbed to the financial injuries caused by this ruthless and harsh social media market scene.



Oftentimes, the BHW walls get heavily populated by perturbed customers appearing in serious distress demanding answers to their orders that sometimes get cancelled, delayed, or just not given a single unit of effort to make sure the orders finished on time and without complications. Is this anxiety that cause many to wonder what in the world is going on with my freaking order. Some even begin to believe that their panel where they have made orders is about to go down and close shop. Such times are hard for many to pass through, although some sleep it off, wait it off, others start taking matter into their own hands and start complaining loudly on various boards these businesses operate in.


For years, the SMM panels have brought unsurpassed social media services to a diverse mix of entities hoping to use these services to stand out in a sea full of social media accounts. SMM panels from nearly every corner of the world, have started selling the same cookie-cutter services at an aggressive low margin. Making this one of the mos cut-throating business the black hat scene has ever seen. I can only guess that over million diverse beneficiaries across the globe take advantage of the products these SMM panels sell. You can easily imagine that almost any SMM panel has services offering solutions that supply a never-ending source of customers that possess an insatiable appetite for these products. Being known as the SMM panels that has the good stuff is a sure way to jump into stardom and start pumping some serious coin.


In view of my pensive thoughts, I would like to clearly state that what I'm writing is just a glorious idea of witnessing in the future a common standard, API, base system, or everything that can work together as a unified global community of SMM panel sellers and customers. I do not remotely consider the SMM panel market to be just another black hat business. Rather, it is the main thriving force keeping most of the gaming, hacking, IM forums together in terms of revenue. Dipping into a piece of each transaction would yield enormous amount of money thwarting the current revenue collected from SMM panels that wish to set shop for a simple Jr.VIP and monthly fee. I just wish there was a way to regulate every single view, likes, follower, etc through a quality control system that can CONTINUOUSLY evaluate the up-to-date quality of SMM panel services. I think there is some serious coin of an all-in-one bot, access to a walled garden that can supply with everything for anyone that wants to monetize their online social network assets, no matter how tiny they are. There lies some serious coin for anyone that manages to stand in between each transaction made in the space, just like how Amazon did around 50% of black friday sales of 2017.

I'm just saying... and throwing some of my thoughts that keep popping from time to time.

so literature much words

xjackcx said:

so literature much words

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Thank you for chiming and being the first brave poster to post on my thread. Would it be of any help my dear beloved BHW brother if I would make anything of what I have just laid out in my well thought out ideas clearer for you. Well actually... "well thought out ideas" sounds to me like another oxymoron such as my unbiased opinion. Perhaps my stance on the SMM scene is somewhat bias.

Anyways before I get off tangent some more, perhaps my friend @Neon can delight you with some good wisdom. He is a candid user of many social marketing bots and has had a vast amount of personal experience buying from SMM panels.

I'm just simply spouting what I perceive to be true from my own anecdotal experience, and trying to stir up a small little constructive chat.

Although your vocabulary is extensive.. This thread is unreadable.

I think it could be condensed into 1 paragraph. Long != Better

Meteoric rise. ...... I always thought that was a really dumb metaphor.

GoGuerilla said:

Although your vocabulary is extensive.. This thread is unreadable.

I think it could be condensed into 1 paragraph. Long != Better

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You know looking back on it, I was never a huge fan of short concise highly concentrated messages. I like to really dwelve into a topic and talk about all the sorts of possibilities that can happen if more than 1 minds were fused together to bring forward that synergy energy and put it towards a common goal. You know what I'm saying?

phatzilla said:

Meteoric rise. ...... I always thought that was a really dumb metaphor.

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You are right, forget me for being late in the terminology game. I believe the correct term would be "hockey stick growth".

@BassTrackerBoats could you please be so kind as to merge my last post in a multiquote with my last post. I was overly excited to get a decent reply to my thread that I forgot to multiquote. Please excuse my mistake, I'm asking nicely as I don't want to get a warning for a silly mistake.

Percipience said:

You know looking back on it, I was never a huge fan of short concise highly concentrated messages. I like to really dwelve into a topic and talk about all the sorts of possibilities that can happen if more than 1 minds were fused together to bring forward that synergy energy and put it towards a common goal. You know what I'm saying?

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Now you're speaking my language! Sounds like something out of ; https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html

Kinda starting to belive you belong on /iamverysmart, although I agree with some of your points.

GoGuerilla said:

Now you're speaking my language! Sounds like something out of ; https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html

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lacifitra said:

Kinda starting to belive you belong on /iamverysmart, although I agree with some of your points.

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Okay, I can fully understand that from the outside it can be seen as if I'm speaking from a position of superiority. Which is farther from the truth, I just wanted to get some ideas out there and see what you guys think. Without further a due, I will just give you guys in a short concise paragraph what my thread is about.

Why hasn't an Apple of SMM panels emerged from all the chaos in the scene. Like a walled garden where the bot, the market place, and everything is provided by this garden. Everything except... the accounts, proxies, phone numbers and operation. I'm talking about getting a cut from every single interaction, by controlling both sides of the market. The customers looking for social media services, and the myriad stores looking to sell their own "brand" of services.

Charging for a listing fee is like a rounding error compared to the amount that can be gained by charging a fee on every single view, likes, follower done on a walled garden.

Percipience said:

Okay, I can fully understand that from the outside it can be seen as if I'm speaking from a position of superiority. Which is farther from the truth, I just wanted to get some ideas out there and see what you guys think. Without further a due, I will just give you guys in a short concise paragraph what my thread is about.

Why hasn't an Apple of SMM panels emerged from all the chaos in the scene. Like a walled garden where the bot, the market place, and everything is provided by this garden. Everything except... the accounts, proxies, phone numbers and operation. I'm talking about getting a cut from every single interaction, by controlling both sides of the market. The customers looking for social media services, and the myriad stores looking to sell their own "brand" of services.

Charging for a listing fee is like a rounding error compared to the amount that can be gained by charging a fee on every single view, likes, follower done on a walled garden.

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You know, the people on this forum understand everything you've said. You're not above high school level vocabulary. It's just obnoxious and you shouldn't think anyone will take you serious if you keep shitting out paragraphs upon paragraphs which could have you been summed up in a sentence or two. There's no superiority to be seen either, it's just retarded and the opposite of smart. Intelligence is being able to communicate an idea in words that the whole world will understand, as short as possible.


You really belong on reddit.com/r/iamverysmart, dude.

Your writing style is interesting, but too verbose lol
You raise some good points.However, this is all sketch atm so the more popular a service gets the higher the chance of getting taken down

vitae said:

Your writing style is interesting, but too verbose lol
You raise some good points.However, this is all sketch atm so the more popular a service gets the higher the chance of getting taken down

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SMM Panels don't get taken down. Bot providers do - well only Instagram so far.

So cutting through all the bloatware, you would like to see either a:

Central SMM panel clearing house over seen by XYZ entity.

OR

An entity that oversees all SMM panels to see that they comply with industry standards.

Am I close?

lacifitra said:

You know, the people on this forum understand everything you've said. You're not above high school level vocabulary. It's just obnoxious and you shouldn't think anyone will take you serious if you keep shitting out paragraphs upon paragraphs which could have you been summed up in a sentence or two. There's no superiority to be seen either, it's just retarded and the opposite of smart. Intelligence is being able to communicate an idea in words that the whole world will understand, as short as possible.


You really belong on reddit.com/r/iamverysmart, dude.

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vitae said:

Your writing style is interesting, but too verbose lol
You raise some good points.However, this is all sketch atm so the more popular a service gets the higher the chance of getting taken down

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BassTrackerBoats said:

So cutting through all the bloatware, you would like to see either a:

Central SMM panel clearing house over seen by XYZ entity.

OR

An entity that oversees all SMM panels to see that they comply with industry standards.

Am I close?

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My writing style seems like a continuously annoying stream of unnecessary big words. But behind all of that fatigue my readers have to endure, it does serve it purposes. I don't like writing for the lowest denominator to gain thanks by speaking as simple as possible and spouting the same old rehashed stuff that gets written here for thanks.

No way Jose, I'd rather get negative replies complaining how I'm so smart and a big pretentious pompous prick, and at the same time received constructive criticism instead of useless replies that add nothing to my thread.


@BassTrackerBoats your first option is very close to what I'm describing. Let me go over more of the concepts I had in mind.


For the sake of this example, lets call this organization I'm envisioning Acme Corp.

In my vision, Acme Corp would develop a tool that would work with Acme credits , these credits will be the currency powering everything inside Acme Corp. This looks a lot similar like an exchange network, with the only exception that Acme Corp will provide a set of tools that would allow anyone to connect to Acme Corp market and offer part of their social media services that the set of tools Acme Corp can do.

So, as a practical example, say that Acme Corp has an Instagram set of tools that can offer a front via an API where you say I have an inventory of 3 personal instagram accounts that can sell 5-10 likes a day. A normal SMM Panel can't sell that because they need a main provider that can provide in huge bulk. However, if you have a common standard tool that anyone can use , and make it easier to sell from a couple to thousands of individual units of social media services to front end shops operating as an affiliated Acme Corp using the same software, then things get interesting.

For one, you can make sure that the buyer buying packages from an affiliated Acme Corp store that belongs to an independent operator, that sources his/her inventory from tens, hundreds, to thousands of individuals fronts from inside Acme Corp, can be tightly controlled.

Like a Monsanto scenario where the genetically engineer seeds are provided to the farmers, who then sell their produce to big companies that package their food and brands their products with names such as "Little Mary Farms". Same thing can be seen on the SMM panel scene, tons of small guys selling the same stuff, because you can't provide SMM services unless you can provide a crap load.

And when you are providing a crap load at a cut throat price, that means the quality also drops. So in a way, having a clearing house that provides the tools, and a huge pool of little farms that can provide small quantities of produce that a bigger packager can source from to sell their own branded packages.

An order can be tracked from the moment the Acme Corps credits leaves a buyer's account to an escrow specifically for that ordered between the buyer and the shop owner. Then each unit of work such as likes, followers, viewers, what ever the Acme Corp suit of tools can be tracked because the provider would be using the same tools, just providing his/her accounts, proxies, and operations. The shop owner would have a unified API that has some sort of contracts with each front, where when an order comes through, the order goes seamlessly between the shop API towards the farm API, and back to the customers API.

You know track the whole cycle. A deeply ingrained system.


Another example would be that it would be easier to sell 1000 real likes coming from really looking accounts. How so? because those 1000 likes can come from a package sold by a shop that sources from 100-300 small operators that have a few social accounts that are well taken care of and sell their likes in super small quantity.

Think about it, because the 1000 likes do not come from the same seller that very obviously is going to make them exactly a clone of each other, everybody can tell they are fake. However, if you buy a really expensive package from a well reputed store that has small contracts with tons of small operators, and where each get their part automatically on every order, then things start to make more sense.

Up to now, this is a major feature missing. Only major players can sell their same shit dressed as "real accounts", but we know those accounts liking your post are going to look spammy. At the same time, you can't go around asking 300 or so personal individuals buying single likes on a post. So that's where my idea comes from, having an easy way for even individuals to monetize their assets, and then have another set of API's where people can make their own store by connecting all of these different sources together and selling a package to the end user.

Percipience said:

@BassTrackerBoats your first option is very close to what I'm describing.

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If that is the case set it up and I'll create a panel myself, not join in and run circles around it, then sell it.

I did something similar in 1996 with an offline business and pocketed a check on a Thursday afternoon for $565,000.

I'm sure I can multiply that by 10 in this era and with the little knowledge I've picked up along the way.

And, I would expect, that there would be 47 others doing the same thing only making my score look like child's play.

Unrealistic for sure but I'd love to see it happen.

wanna write some articles for me? lol

high mike said:

wanna write some articles for me? lol

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Hate to disappoint you but I must make you aware that my written words will unravel a horde of angry readers that will make my thread look like a sane person compared to the excessive bloatware you will unleash. It takes a special kind of courage to listen to what I have to say, because you know that if you are trying to gets bits and pieces of the recognized marbles that I'm about to spout to your face, then it's worth reading the rumbles and half-baked thoughts to try to see what in the heck I'm saying.

Do you see why I might have objections at accepting your flattering offer? To everyone that interacts with me, they just can't stand me and end up building a penchant of revenge because they just can't stand people that try to act smarter than them, and use high-school level words pulled from google to mask their words as something more than they seem to appear.

People just don't want to accept that I have way better google skills than y'all, and I can come up with an extensive array of words that just requires a good sense of mix and match skill to make it BARELY work. So as you can witness it with both of your eyes, my skill isn't worth much. Just a smart little hack that any person with a living pulse can perform. I can barely make coherent thoughts, my shit is just dressed with SAT beginning words sprinkled with 1 or 2 sentences that make sense.The truth of the matter is the fact that I cannot captivate my audience with the same line of thought and operations that my mindset work at.

My mind vibrates at a different frequency than most others folks. You really have to apply a Fourier transformation to decompose my brain signals into the individual parts that make it. That shit is that complex bro, like so complex it makes your average normal day problems seem like a walk in the park compared to the shit I do every day. I'm just another lost soul that has fallen on darker times, as I find myself a prisoner of my own mind. I know I know... like the other BHW cookie-cutter thread said: "Nobody wants to take responsibilities for their own actions". I strangely have a fond connection to that overly used quote that deserves its own merit to the creator of that quote.


Bringing your readers to the heart of the relentless labyrinth that serves my mind by orbiting around my deepest thoughts will make you think twice before you hire a deranged man online AGAIN. So it's best to not go ahead and hire me and take your offer off the table in a nice and polite tone.


To be frank, I just believe that I'm not up to the task. You are truly confusing a great wordsmith like myself to a proper writer.

Can't tell if trolling or serious.. I think trolling now.

Percipience said:

Hate to disappoint you but I must make you aware that my written words will unravel a horde of angry readers that will make my thread look like a sane person compared to the excessive bloatware you will unleash. It takes a special kind of courage to listen to what I have to say, because you know that if you are trying to gets bits and pieces of the recognized marbles that I'm about to spout to your face, then it's worth reading the rumbles and half-baked thoughts to try to see what in the heck I'm saying.

Do you see why I might have objections at accepting your flattering offer? To everyone that interacts with me, they just can't stand me and end up building a penchant of revenge because they just can't stand people that try to act smarter than them, and use high-school level words pulled from google to mask their words as something more than they seem to appear.

People just don't want to accept that I have way better google skills than y'all, and I can come up with an extensive array of words that just requires a good sense of mix and match skill to make it BARELY work. So as you can witness it with both of your eyes, my skill isn't worth much. Just a smart little hack that any person with a living pulse can perform. I can barely make coherent thoughts, my shit is just dressed with SAT beginning words sprinkled with 1 or 2 sentences that make sense.The truth of the matter is the fact that I cannot captivate my audience with the same line of thought and operations that my mindset work at.

My mind vibrates at a different frequency than most others folks. You really have to apply a Fourier transformation to decompose my brain signals into the individual parts that make it. That shit is that complex bro, like so complex it makes your average normal day problems seem like a walk in the park compared to the shit I do every day. I'm just another lost soul that has fallen on darker times, as I find myself a prisoner of my own mind. I know I know... like the other BHW cookie-cutter thread said: "Nobody wants to take responsibilities for their own actions". I strangely have a fond connection to that overly used quote that deserves its own merit to the creator of that quote.


Bringing your readers to the heart of the relentless labyrinth that serves my mind by orbiting around my deepest thoughts will make you think twice before you hire a deranged man online AGAIN. So it's best to not go ahead and hire me and take your offer off the table in a nice and polite tone.


To be frank, I just believe that I'm not up to the task. You are truly confusing a great wordsmith like myself to a proper writer.

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yeah im not gonna read all that thanks for typing it all up though im sure its great