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99% of indexing services are a scam

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ghengis_khan, May 18, 2019.

  1. ghengis_khan

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    Indexation rate has nothing to do with if a service works. If i make a bunch of web 2.0 and say a magic spell I will also get a certain percentage indexed. Google crawls aggressively.

    The real test is if I make a completely isolated page on a never before seen domain/page. A website with 0 backlinks from elsewhere on the internet and with no way for spiders to reach it 'naturally'. If an indexing service can't get google-bot to visit this kind of page then i consider the test failed and the service not working. Some services literally instantly bring spiders and others never. Those were my findings.


    Was my intention to re-test everything but have been occupied with other things. I'm hoping to do a full re-test with accompanying video and in depth explanation of how i'm monitoring spiders before the end of the year.
     
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    Bulkaddulr is solid
     
  3. ComputerJunkie

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    Your point about "indexation rate has nothing to do with if a service works" is stupid. It has everything to do with an "indexing service".

    Excuse me for pointing out the obvious here, but if a service states its an indexing service, then this would mean that it will try to get your urls indexed. What you are getting confused about is 'crawling' service to an 'indexing' service.... completely different thing here, any idiot can get a spider to a page, it would be pretty stupid to "The real test is if I make a completely isolated page on a never before seen domain/page. A website with 0 backlinks from elsewhere on the internet and with no way for spiders to reach it 'naturally'" why would anyone do this for SEO purposes? The entire point is to get link juice flowing to a back link in order it to be beneficial for the page it links out to and when you submit this page to a service, depending on the method the services use, there will be links pointing to it albeit a url or a ping a path will be created.

    There are two main types of services available, an indexing service, which is generally a little more expensive and a crawling service, there wouldn't be two different types of services if they didn't both do different things, if you would like your googlebot visits and don't care for actual index rates, then go for the cheapest crawling service there is and make sure you get your googlebot visits but if you're wanting to actually unleash the pull potential of your link building expenses, then go for an indexing service.

    You can't know the inner workings of each indexing service out there to make a conclusion on if one works or doesn't due to spider visits and then have the audacity to preach this shit to newbies, it makes me laugh, even more so after I tested it myself from the results you had given and found completely contradicting results, regardless of the services I personally use, it's false information, full stop. A crap case study.

    Back to indexing services or crawling services, personally, you'll be wasting your money on a crawling/pinging service, you would be saving each month if you just pinged your backlinks yourself once per week because that's all a pinging/crawling service is doing, you could rent a vps for $5 a month and do this on autopilot... or even simpler, use something like pingomatic and compile an rss feed with your backlinks, it'll take seconds and you don't need to pay for a crawling/pinging service like indexification or others similar.

    If you do want something to increase index ratios and most importantly, the speed your new links are indexed for SERP purposes, then with the money you save from not using a crawling/pinging service, get yourself an indexing service instead, do your own testing with which service you find to be more effective.
     
  4. ghengis_khan

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    maybe i explained myself wrong. Of course the point is getting your pages indexed.

    But if a service DOESNT bring google-bot then how will it ever get indexed? Some services claim they will index you yet bring 0 spiders. I've never seen a page get indexed in google without google-bot visiting it first :p

    Whether a page will actually be indexed depends on a multitude of factors, but the most essential thing an indexing service should do is bring google-bot.

    Really? Then why do many services fail to do this? :D
     
  5. praetserge

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    you're arguing about nothing.
    it's obvious... the page needs to be crawled before it gets indexed and without a google bot visit it can't be indexed.

    The test is to see if those indexing services actually bring google bot and how long it takes for google bot to pay a visit.

    The problem with indexing services is that they mainly will get your urls indexed in google (probably by submitting a sitemap). Ideally, I want to be indexed by all search engines (especially, bing (yahoo) and duckduckgo).

    ghengis_khan, have you seen visits from other search engine bots while testing indexing services?
     
  6. ghengis_khan

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    Good question since i am only looking for google. In my next big testing round I will monitor for all the major search engines, thanks for the idea :)
     
  7. ComputerJunkie

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    It's obvious that a spider needs to visit prior to any outcome however, if a service specifically states it is a crawling service, their main objective is to have a spider visit the page and its a done deal and in my opinion is worthless, a waste of money as a URL not indexed, isn't worth sh*t, on the other hand, if a service promotes to be an indexing service, then perhaps the methods used in order to index a URL are different and instead simply getting a spider visit differs from each service, indexing services shouldn't be compared to crawling services, what if an indexing service manages URLs differently and chooses to hold fire on any crawling until a certain point of time, for the URL to have a better chance of becoming indexed, then this "spider didn't even visit my URL in 24/48/72 hours" bullshit is completely irrelevant don't you think?

    After I read this thread, I've been consistently checking my INDEX rates, I've also done tests on SPIDER visits and all I am pointing out here is that a couple of the services within this OP that are in red and deemed "not working" is absolute nonsense and I have a right in pointing that out if I so choose to without the naysayers with 1 day old accounts (probably affiliated with the OP whose trying to promote a service that practically resells to all the other green services within the list) trying to suggest I have an affiliation to any of the services, it's laughable and I hope that people are seeing through this post instead of being fooled. So I advise for people to check a service out for themselves firsthand, not just for indexing or crawling/pinging services but for any type of service, obviously, perform your own due diligence beforehand. Backlinksindexer & Express Indexer on my side, are working within the specified times of each of the services FAQ time-frames in terms of indexing performance, I would always recommend Express Indexer as in terms of PRICE to PERFORMANCE, it beats my other indexer I use by miles and has a rollover crediting system so if people are wanting only 1 service, then test EI, "oh noooooo, I'm promoting EI, shhhhhhhit, ops sorry". I also like the fact that it's only promoted on the GSA SER forum instead of being everywhere, from what I've seen, well I can't find it in the marketplace on this forum.

    Indexing methods or beating google, interests me quite a bit, after all, if we're all in SEO, then we need to be somewhat knowledgeable in this department in order to work efficiently, I have always tried to find a method for indexing myself so I can do this process myself within my workflow but since the Google updates/changes ranging from June to October, many techniques have just fallen off, for example, the google submit URL page, So I revert back to the professionals.
     
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    i actually use what i call my shit pbn; basically i recreated old expired domains to look like their old domains and added pages called: maps (to index google custom maps) & friends/linkpartners/etc with a list of links. all done by a VA that i give a bunch of links to do. this is mostly higher quality of links need indexing, not for cheap fiverr links. 1 listing of a google custom map on such a site is better than 1000 cheap google map embeds from fiverr
     
  9. ghengis_khan

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    The "indexing services" I tested NEVER received a spider, even after weeks/months. Nor did the said pages get indexed. So you are wrong. and it is relevant :p


    Testing indexing rates on web 2.0 and other spammy sites is rediculous. Like I have stated before : half of those properties will be indexed without touching an indexing service. The only way to test something like this is in a controlled environment where i can monitor all spiders

    I also stated MULTIPLE TIMES I'm literally only monitoring spiders. I am indexing splogs with 100k+ pages on my own servers.

    Ok which services? I'm going to re-test them all again. I said multiple times services can contact me and ill retest.

    What am I promoting exactly? I have 0 affiliation with any service on BHW nor have I ever had a service here. You are talking out of your ass man and you come across like a frustrated person. I made this test because i was tired of being ripped off by indexing services .

    Be my guest and make your own test, stop being salty your service didn't send any google-bots to my pages.
     
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  10. awcom

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    Hi @ghengis_khan i know your point
    just keep it up,,,

    i've tried many "indexer services" but nothing (even waiting for days, weeks, months...)
    till i found bulkaddurl... i think this really really truly awesome INDEXER
    your link will indexed fast by google less than 24 hours
     
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    I'm sure they do nothing of value
     
  12. Luco

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    I will give you guys a tip with my 2 cents on this one:
    Since google bot goes now in live updates with chrome, it is browser-based, so you can call google bot to come into your page by using the public DNS of google, I'm pretty sure the spider will come. How to do it? Just set the google DNS and keep visit the page where you want the spider to be in, and in the same time check logs of your site on the server.

    PS: try to do this with some windows VPS and chrome browser installed on it and of course some dummy site.
     
  13. briptech

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    Hello people, looks like paid services are probably a better choice... I am currently curious about Speed-Links and BulkAddUrl, has anyone any experience with them? Thanks for sharing.
     
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    I recommend Bulkaddurl, it's pretty efficient (almost 100% indexed links) and there is a free trial (with a limited amount of urls, but you can do multiple accounts if your needs aren't huge).
     
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    Thank you for the hint, I will take the free trial.
     
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    Hi, how do you know if the googlebot is in chrome please. Can you explain to me about the DNS settings etc?

    Thanks
     
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    About G bot and chrome you can read here
    Code:
    https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/05/the-new-evergreen-googlebot.html
    And about DNS settings is pretty easy, you can find the public google DNS with all informations that you need here
    Code:
    https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using
     
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    Hi thanks for replying. 1st post is google just saying that the googlebot is just updated to use the latest rendering engine on it's crawl. Its not contained within chrome.
    I don't think it would work.
    Thanks.
     
  20. Luco

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    Since googlebot updates in same time with chrome is clear that they use the browser, since they index now things from inspect element it is clear that they use the bot as a browser, since they can now naivgate with the bot trough sites like a real user is clear enough for me to know that googlebot now it is in chrome. It was in past too but running with some old fixed chrome version.
     
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