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301 Redirect - Something I'm quite confused about

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by 25aug, Jul 30, 2016.

  1. 25aug

    25aug Regular Member

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    I've been planning to try 301 redirects for quite a while now and a few days ago I managed to gather a decent amount of money just for that purpose.

    Now, there's still one thing I can not totally understand about 301 redirects - and yes, I used the search function and I've read around 20 threads but I still can't understand this:

    If I find some good expired domains that are not indexed by google anymore can I just simply buy them and then 301 redirect those expired domains to my Money Site via the cpanel of my registrar [namecheap has this option] and then send some backlinks to the expired domain - would this work?

    Or do I have to buy the expired domain, host it, bring back its old content, send backlinks, get it indexed and then 301 redirect it?

    The second would be really time consuming (I know, I'm a bit lazy) and I still don't understand if that's actually needed or not?


    If the expired domain has to be indexed and I buy one that is still indexed by Google, do I still have to host it or can I simply 301 redirect it from my registrar's cpanel?

    My plan would be: money site < 301 redirect < sape links.


    I'm sorry for the idiotic questions, it's my first time trying SEO, been thinking of trying it for more than 2 years but never had the courage and the will to do it, focused on other traffic sources instead.

    ps: I'm trying to rank a kw with 18k MS and very low competition - I'm not interested in long term rankins because with the type of sites I'm trying to rank you get penalised sooner rather than later, all I want to do is churn&burn.
     
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  2. allstar130690

    allstar130690 Registered Member

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    Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to your question, but would you mind explaining what a SAPE link is?

    Edit: It looks like they're just blackhat Russian links? I'm guessing it's a good idea for churn-and-burn sites?
     
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  3. 25aug

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    To answer your questions: yes, sort of.
     
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    allstar130690 Registered Member

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    OK, thanks for the reply. I found a good article about it and I'm doing some research. It's quite interesting.
     
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  5. DigitalCon

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    The best approach is to get a site indexed first and then 301 it to the money site.
    You can either buy one that i already indexed or get your domain indexed first.

    What i personally do is cook the domain before redirecting it to the money site. By cooking, i mean host it with content relevant to the site its will be redirected to, get the new content indexed and cached. Then build all the tier 2 links to add to its relevancy and finally the redirection step.

    This works best for me.
     
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  6. 25aug

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    When doing so I assume that you put all the old content that the website had back on it, using same theme and stuff and then you add your own articles? Or do you simply install wp and then add your content?

    If you use the first method, may you please tell me what tool/website you use to recover the old content in order to put it back on the website?

    ps: When buying one that is already indexed, do I still have to host it or can I redirect it straight from the registrar cpanel?
     
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    No, i just have to repurpose the domain so that it related to the site it will be redirected to. I do not use the old content or old theme whatsoever. I just do a fresh wordpress installation, put content relevant to the money site. I do not even bother designing the theme as it will not be for a human eye.



    Although i do not rebuilt the 301 domains but i do it for some of my PBN domains. Search for waybackrebuilder by terry kyle, good tool.

    Actually yes, it is a good practice. What we want to achieve is google to think a website in similar niche is being 301ed. So host it, put the content up and let it get indexed and cached. Then 301
     
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    Thanks alot for this. Alot of explanations here. Valuable post. Thanks given

     
  9. 25aug

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    Thanks a lot, this is very helpful! I'd have one more question though:

    In terms of content, do you simply write multiple articles that are related to the niche that you want to rank for [ex. fitness] - about how many articles do you post and what would be their average size? Once again, sorry for the idiotic questions, I'm just trying to make sure that I don't scew it up at my first attempt.

    Also, do the articles need to be really HQ, like handwritten, etc etc or some content writing tools would do?
     
  10. MikeyMikey13

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    what this guy said, but on the 301 redirect, shorten it with a bitly link also so it goes like this ms<bitly<301
     
  11. DigitalCon

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    I understand the confusion. You must understand that the domain you are going to redirect is not meant to be ranked (although it might if you post more content and build links to it) so you don't need very engaging content nor do you need thousands of words of it.

    Having a relevant title on the homepage, a few optimized headings in a content that is anywhere between 400-1000 words is enough. I do this with my PBN domains and they automatically start rankings for long tails at 30ish positions most of the time. When they do, i know i have made them relevant enough.

    Don't use content spinning and curating tools though. You can get a decent 500 words article for under $5.
     
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  12. allstar130690

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    Google "SAPE link" and there's a really detailed article. I think it's the 2nd or 3rd result. You should recognize it when you see it.
     
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    This helps to avoid penalties by Google?
     
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    yeah it adds an extra tier, and from experience it reduce the chance.
     
  15. Vortex777

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    Hey DigitalCon thanks for your insights. The idea of cooking makes great sense and I have about 5 domains I need to cook before 301 (or at least to see if they will be indexed using this same method).

    What hosting do you recommend for the 2 week period? Something like cloudflare or Incapsula?

    It will leave a DNS footprint in the history so I'd like to diversify.
     
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    A lot of false assumptions there.

    You have to understand how Google crawlers work.

    1. A bit.ly buffer won't change anything. Google is intelligent; it can read HTTPS result code & redirection. You cannot avoid a penalty just by putting a bitly shorterner inbetween
    2. 301 has been made for people who either buy a website or a company, or change website and want to redirect all the traffic to their actual website.

    Based on those things. Either you get a niche-relevant domain and you 301 it directly. The result will be good. It means that all the links that went to the domain you bought, are now linking to your site, DIRECTLY in the eyes of google. Which means all the anchors the old site had, will now be on your backlinking profile. So if the site is niche relevant, it can be a big advantage.

    The other case scenario, is if the domain is irrelevant. In this case I would advise you to recreate a website, put some relevant content on it, and re create backlinks on it. Those backlinks need to be ultra relevant because once your have to 301 the domain, it will have an impact on the backlink profile of your MS.


    On the number of 301 you can do. A lot of theory, but at the end it's just common sense. There's no limits to the number of 301 you can do to your MS if those expired domains are niche relevant. If they are not, limit them, because a lot of backlinks from different niche & with unrelated anchors might trigger red flag for Google.



    This is my 3000th post!
     
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  17. DigitalCon

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    ^^ This is what i meant by cooking put in precise words.

    Never used cloudflare or incapsula. Since i work with a lot of PBN domains, i have around 15 servers with lots of dedicated ip addresses.

    For 5 domains, just make sure to not have them on a single ip. Apart from that you can either have them on 5 different shared hosts or you could buy a server with ips as a future investment.
     
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    Do you guys keep paying for hosting once you 301 redirect the domain when adding relevant content?
     
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    Depends where you set up your redirect -> HTaccess (need hosting) Vs registrar (doesnt need hosting)