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2 Sites back after hit by Penguin 2.1 (5)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Adam718, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. Adam718

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    I woke up this morning and checked on some rankings to find that 2 of my sites that were completely destroyed by p2.1 were now back. Given they weren't back at their original rankings, but just a few spots lower. The only thing I did with these sites after they were hit was getting them off a blog network and adding content. Feels good!

    Each site had about 250 blog network links. I'm not exactly sure what google did, but it makes sense that they would de-index it fast because I'm guessing that since the SERP's are still scrambling constantly that the algo is still sniffing around.

    I do plan on getting back into the blog networks after the update completely settles, as these sites are semi-churn and burn and there's no time to waste.

    Some more info on the sites:

    Niche: Both in Financial niche.

    Age: one just turned a year old, the other is 3 years old.

    Backlink profiles: 40% raw URL, 30% main keyword, 20% brand name, 10% generic.

    Link types: Almost all the links are web 2.0's, both highly spun and original articles, a ton of social buzz from twitter, 250 blog network links, press releases.

    Content: A LOT. I'm talking hundreds of unique articles on each one. The reason for this is that these sites has been up and doing well for the years that they've been online. They also kind of need updated content to make sure the users are happy.
     
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    congrats bro, glad to hear that, hope it lasts.. I am going to split test various things to see if they can help with recovery.
     
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    Congrats...

    How many blog network links did you have, and when did you remove them? Did google deindex the links that fast? Adding content always good :)
     
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    And now they have Hummingbird
     
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    Congrats mate, sometimes it's that easy :)
     
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    @mmixsetup

    And next update is Tasmanian Devil...???
     
  7. Adam718

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    Each site had about 250 blog network links. I'm not exactly sure what google did, but it makes sense that they would un-associate them fast because I'm guessing that since the SERP's are still scrambling constantly that the algo is still sniffing around.

    I do plan on getting back into the blog networks after the update completely settles, as these sites are semi-churn and burn and there's no time to waste.

    Some more info on the sites:

    Niche: Both in Financial niche.

    Age: one just turned a year old, the other is 3 years old.

    Backlink profiles: 40% raw URL, 30% main keyword, 20% brand name, 10% generic.

    Link types: Almost all the links are web 2.0's, both highly spun and original articles, a ton of social buzz from twitter, 250 blog network links, press releases.

    Content: A LOT. I'm talking hundreds of unique articles on each one. The reason for this is that these sites has been up and doing well for the years that they've been online. They also kind of need updated content to make sure the users are happy.
     
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    Congrats...
    thanks for the info
     
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    You were ranking with 250 blog networks links, those network links were providing a lot of juice, they must have accounted for a lot of your rankings, right?

    So where is the juice coming from now that they're gone? Even if you are not penalized, what is supporting your site if you are missing 250 links?

    See what i'm saying?
     
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    sounds very good.u are a lucky guy.:)
     
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    I did nothing but keep GSA running and got my finance site back. So maybe you removing blog network links didn't do anything?

    Didn't we all say it would take a week to start shuffling the right way.
     
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    I understand what you mean gorang. either way the 250 blog networks were only powerful to shift him by little spot .. which comes as really surprising ... Or my second guess is that there was an actualy dance because of the penguin and the ranking are starting to settle down and hasn't discarded the blog network links in their link graph yet.
     
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    Great question, and I've been trying to figure that since this morning, actually. The sites did not go up to their original rankings, which they were sitting on the top 4 for a long time, and now they're shifting around position 6 and 7.

    But your question is more complex than it sounds, because this update did not just effect my sites, it effected what I assume was at least a few handfulls of sites in my niche, which made their rankings shift around as well.

    So my conclusion is simply that the lack of blog network power is made up by my competitors being effected more than my sites were, so if I was essentially supposed to drop 10+ spots because of lack of blog network links, that was reduced to just a -3 or 4 loss due to competitors taking a hit as well.

    Also, you need to account for how google values the rest of my links post-penguin 2.1. I may have lost blog network link value, but a bunch of my other links may now be considered to "quality" in googles standards after the algo took effect.
     
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    Mmh.. the hosting was an SEO multiple C class IPs? This could be the problem, I'm making a test by switching the C class on separate low cost hosting accounts.
     
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    P.s.: 90% "quality high PR links" on the BHW market are crap!

    I bought some packages (not "low cost"..). Just checked.. a lot of "quality sites with low OBL" converted into spammed sites, parked domains and DE-INDEXED domains.
     
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    These were ones that I bought into from a colleague. It isn't private but it isnt as public as a BHW network I guess. I have my own network as well but these 2 sites were really worthy of it, if that makes sense to you.
     
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    Yes, hosted on seperate c class IP's. I doubt that's the problem, though.
     
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    Thanks for sharing, glad you've managed to get them back :).
     
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    Makes perfect sense. Thanks.