Want to Buy Content from BHW? Read This First

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Great thread man! you've done an outstanding thing for BHW community in return for nothing. Appreciate all the time, money and effort you put into this. It's very helpful for someone like me who was just planning to start buying content from BHW.
 
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Hey, this is an amazing thread op !
Thank you for the share as this was quite a big investment ...
 
The take-away for me from this EPIC thread:

1. Sometimes, you're better off writing your own content.
2. Because a writer charges an arm and a leg doesn't mean they know what they're doing
3. When a sales thread looks shitty with so many errors, the output will probably be shitty too.
4. For writers, a tool like Grammarly is a must. It's obvious that some of these people don't use it. It even has an add-on that corrects you as you type.
5. Samples from sales thread are not enough to judge a writer. Try and chat with him thro PM or Skype.

I speak English as a second language and I make mistakes all the time. But if you are going to be paid for something, don't you think you need to learn how to do it RIGHT?


Thank you, OP.
 
Didn't it just open the eyes of the buyers, but also made a huge impact on the way I used to work. I learned how other writers on the forums are providing their services and now betterment is the only way!

1000 thanks @hasa1015.
 
Nice one @hasa1015. This is something I've noticed a lot over the last few months too.. the quality of the articles by these "native" writers are horrible.
 
yes, i want to buy contents. This thread is very useful. Bookmarked it.
 
Hey mate,

This is a really awesome thread!) Thank you very much for such hard work)! Maybe, you could also suggest good Amazon reviews related authors?

Thanks one more time)
 
alwaysinvisible said:
I absolutely agree that clients need to be more specific, and you think it's unfair bc you didn't know you were going to be put on blast like this. But this can go both ways. I can easily say that next time, as a writer, you need to take the initiative and ask for more specific instructions from your client.

Asking additional questions won't hurt professionals. In fact, they should expect to ask them.

If you go to the doctor and tell him "I can't stop coughing," and he immediately prescribes you cough syrup and sends you on your way, you'd think he was the shittiest doctor on the planet. He has to ask you about additional symptoms and check you out before he can properly diagnose you.

Likewise, you need to ask additional questions of your clients.

Just my two cents.
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I agree completely - with a caveat.

We value all orders and put the same amount of care into all of them. But quite honestly (as we say in our thread), we take BHW orders at a big discount from agency rates to ensure our queues are always full - so a one-off 500-word order that seems pretty clear isn't something that's going to spur us to start a long discussion with a client when his order seems clear.

If there are issues that aren't clear on an order, we always ask questions. And if a client wants to discuss his order further, we're always available for that because we want to deliver what the client is expecting.

Clients that spend $1000, $2000 or $3000 on an order (we were working on all of those orders at the same time as OP's order) are more likely to initiate conversations about their needs, and we're more likely to have questions about their order. We have those lengthy discussions often. We're just as happy to speak with someone spending $35 as with someone spending $3000, but we're not going to spend hours seeking out a client to ask questions when their orders seem totally clear. We also send out style samples to all who request them, so if someone needs a different writing style or voice, they usually let us know that they want something different than what's in our samples.

There's nothing unclear about an order for "gaming PC < 500 words on what they are." It's a standard article on a basic topic, and we receive dozens of them. That's what we wrote this time: an article on a basic topic. It would seem pretty obvious that a devoted gamer wouldn't be reading an article defining gaming PCs; it calls for beginner-level information. I can't believe any professional writer would have a followup question about the target audience for a "What is a ---" article.

In fact, OP PM'd me several times asking about TAT and status (and I warned him that because of my surgery and the bulk orders in the queue, I probably wouldn't get it done before today's surgery, a fact that was also specified on the order form - I ended up delivering before my surgery anyway). But he asked several times about progress. After the fact, of course, I see that he wanted it to complete this thread but didn't want to tell me the real purpose, which is completely understandable when he was doing a "blind" test. My point is, though, that if he wanted a specific voice, tone or technical level, all he had to do was include it in his PM. Communication is a two-way street.

That ended up being a lot longer than I expected. My point is, though, that a service that's delivering dozens of orders per week isn't going to initiate long discussions with clients if their order is clear, simple and to the point.

If you walk into a hardware store and ask for a box of 4-inch 20-penny galvanized box nails, the clerk isn't going to ask you a lot of questions about what you're using the nails for, where they're going to be used and whether you've considered alternatives. You obviously know what nails you need and have ordered with the specifics the clerk needs. He'd be happy to discuss various types of nails and fasteners with you if you ask questions about them - but he's not going to interrogate you about them. OP ordered "a box of 4-inch 20-penny galvanized box nails," in a way that showed that he knew exactly what he was asking for: a basic article for people who had no clue what a gaming PC is. That's what was delivered.

I've heard from two other content producers who thanked me for my earlier post, so I don't feel that I'm going out on a limb. It's more a matter of telling content buyers that if you want something different than what's in a writer's samples, just ask. Any reputable content service will be happy to discuss it with you.

Oh, and I'm not at all upset that my article was posted as part of the study. This was just a response to people saying they would have been bored reading the article because they're experienced gamers. The article topic made it pretty clear that the work wasn't to be read by experienced gamers, so I just wanted to point out that's a very unfair way to judge the content.
 
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OP you created this domain kontentweview.net just for this thread? On february 22?

Don't get me wrong. I think you offer great value here, in fact this is easily one of the best threads on BHW as of late.

But basically, getting down to the facts - considering that none of us are amateurs here - what you did is you've just launched a content provider review site out of BHW BST's and all that content you bought was the product itself - on your own site.

Amirite? Or wrong?

You're gonna do this on other forums as well, correct? You didn't just register this site for this occasion only?

For this reason and only for this reason, I think this should not be stickied. This is not a free review, this is actually the launch of what may be (and I hope it does) a very successful site. But clearly shameless self promotion - to be honest like your own reviews were.
 
As someone who is planning to start a sales thread here on BHW that is aimed at providing quality content services, this thread has given me an opportunity to see what other sellers have been offering for the last couple of years. I am quite convinced that many people buying or planning to buy content around here can also prosper from reading all of the created articles.

I would love to add a line of criticism as well. I certainly must agree with all the points made by reallife. A general request on the topic of "what is a gaming PC" without any further explanation of what should be found in the article, and then expecting to get content that will amaze the sh*t out of the reader is dumb. All of the articles are obviously aimed at newbies who know nothing about gaming computers. I can give my girlfriend an article about gaming PCs from this thread, and with a 100% certainty I know that she would be intrigued by it. She obviously does not know anything about gaming computers and the provided information in most of the articles presented here should give her clear idea.

Also, 500 words on such a broad topic is ridiculous, to begin with. As someone who spent years playing video games, building gaming computers and working at a hardware store, I can whip out 1000 words of worthy content only about motherboards. And that is obviously, to all gamers, the most irrelevant part of a gaming PC.

A useful piece of information can not be provided in a 500-word article on such a broad topic. I want to believe that OP and others are aware of this fact.

I do also have the need to agree with some members on this thread. Some of the content created at a higher price is definitely not worth it.

I have also noticed that all members have clearly missed that OP is a provider of a content service around here too. Since I am, by nature, a skeptical person, I believe that OP had a clear intention of devaluing services of certain providers around here with a creation of this thread. He can obviously gain more attention to his sales thread if some of the sellers lose a momentum around here.

I might be wrong, though, I am not putting any blame here. OP haven't openly criticized most of the services, but he did play his move smartly. He gave a broad topic and probably knew that the result will not satisfy the majority of readers on the forum.

We still can't ignore the fact that a lot of sellers who were reviewed on this thread have thousands of positive reviews on their sales threads. Take a look at what people are saying about these guys and you will see they have performed quite well when given the right topic and clear instructions.

Some members might judge me. This is just my personal opinion.
 
bartosimpsonio said:
OP you created this domain kontentweview.net just for this thread? On february 22?

Don't get me wrong. I think you offer great value here, in fact this is easily one of the best threads on BHW as of late.

But basically, getting down to the facts - considering that none of us are amateurs here - what you did is you've just launched a content provider review site out of BHW BST's and all that content you bought was the product itself - on your own site.

Amirite? Or wrong?

You're gonna do this on other forums as well, correct? You didn't just register this site for this occasion only?

For this reason and only for this reason, I think this should not be stickied. This is not a free review, this is actually the launch of what may be (and I hope it does) a very successful site. But clearly shameless self promotion - to be honest like your own reviews were.
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Brave to put your head above the parapet there, watch the attacks come thick and fast lol!
 
Lmao you killed se900se BST before it got a chance to start
 
WARHOL said:
+1 on the Ryzen article ( best bang for your buck @ $7.50 / 500 words )
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Which says a lot in itself really, as $7.50 / 500 words isn't exactly brilliant value (although may give them a try to see if their writing is superb). You can get people to rewrite articles on Fiverr for $5.00 which equates to a new/unique article. If you find the right Gig, they aren't spun, but totally reworded and well written.

What this thread also teaches us is that it's often better to look elsewhere for articles. I have someone who writes solid content of around 800-1000 words for £3.50 per article (around $4.40), so it's worth looking all over for people to write.
 
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bartosimpsonio said:
Amirite? Or wrong?

You're gonna do this on other forums as well, correct? You didn't just register this site for this occasion only?

For this reason and only for this reason, I think this should not be stickied. This is not a free review, this is actually the launch of what may be (and I hope it does) a very successful site. But clearly shameless self promotion - to be honest like your own reviews were.
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Wrong. Very wrong.

I created this site after joking around in skype with a few friends. The domain name was clearly a piss-take, and because I have loads of credit over at my favourite domain registrar, there was no reason not to get it.

The site is not monetised, nor will it ever be.

I am not an active member of any other forum, nor will I ever be.

I threw the site up in about 35 minutes with a them I use a lot and the first logo I found when I searched "KW"

I don't see how anyone could possibly have seen this as self promotion? My content thread is dead and has been for a long time. I don't care to be honest.

I'll happily move every single review to Google Sheets when I get home, I just thought one central place would be good. The domain was free, I have free upgrades on my hosting. What is there that I'm actually promoting?
 
reallife said:
I agree completely - with a caveat.

We value all orders and put the same amount of care into all of them. But quite honestly (as we say in our thread), we take BHW orders at a big discount from agency rates to ensure our queues are always full - so a one-off 500-word order that seems pretty clear isn't something that's going to spur us to start a long discussion with a client when his order seems clear.

If there are issues that aren't clear on an order, we always ask questions. And if a client wants to discuss his order further, we're always available for that because we want to deliver what the client is expecting.

Clients that spend $1000, $2000 or $3000 on an order (we were working on all of those orders at the same time as OP's order) are more likely to initiate conversations about their needs, and we're more likely to have questions about their order. We have those lengthy discussions often. We're just as happy to speak with someone spending $35 as with someone spending $3000, but we're not going to spend hours seeking out a client to ask questions when their orders seem totally clear. We also send out style samples to all who request them, so if someone needs a different writing style or voice, they usually let us know that they want something different than what's in our samples.

There's nothing unclear about an order for "gaming PC < 500 words on what they are." It's a standard article on a basic topic, and we receive dozens of them. That's what we wrote this time: an article on a basic topic. It would seem pretty obvious that a devoted gamer wouldn't be reading an article defining gaming PCs; it calls for beginner-level information. I can't believe any professional writer would have a followup question about the target audience for a "What is a ---" article.

In fact, OP PM'd me several times asking about TAT and status (and I warned him that because of my surgery and the bulk orders in the queue, I probably wouldn't get it done before today's surgery, a fact that was also specified on the order form - I ended up delivering before my surgery anyway). But he asked several times about progress. After the fact, of course, I see that he wanted it to complete this thread but didn't want to tell me the real purpose, which is completely understandable when he was doing a "blind" test. My point is, though, that if he wanted a specific voice, tone or technical level, all he had to do was include it in his PM. Communication is a two-way street.

That ended up being a lot longer than I expected. My point is, though, that a service that's delivering dozens of orders per week isn't going to initiate long discussions with clients if their order is clear, simple and to the point.

If you walk into a hardware store and ask for a box of 4-inch 20-penny galvanized box nails, the clerk isn't going to ask you a lot of questions about what you're using the nails for, where they're going to be used and whether you've considered alternatives. You obviously know what nails you need and have ordered with the specifics the clerk needs. He'd be happy to discuss various types of nails and fasteners with you if you ask questions about them - but he's not going to interrogate you about them. OP ordered "a box of 4-inch 20-penny galvanized box nails," in a way that showed that he knew exactly what he was asking for: a basic article for people who had no clue what a gaming PC is. That's what was delivered.

I've heard from two other content producers who thanked me for my earlier post, so I don't feel that I'm going out on a limb. It's more a matter of telling content buyers that if you want something different than what's in a writer's samples, just ask. Any reputable content service will be happy to discuss it with you.

Oh, and I'm not at all upset that my article was posted as part of the study. This was just a response to people saying they would have been bored reading the article because they're experienced gamers. The article topic made it pretty clear that the work wasn't to be read by experienced gamers, so I just wanted to point out that's a very unfair way to judge the content.
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I'm doing it in public. You're totally right. What's funny is I almost turned down the job and refunded him since I don't write "general" articles but focus on product reviews and buyer's guide only. I would've liked to be judged on what I do best instead of something I never do.
 
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