Obviously you would say this BECAUSE YOU ARE SELLING PBN DOMAINS! In truth you cannot make such a large claim "pbns still work no matter what and if they dont for you its because you are doing it wrong!" well no not really, my foot print is ZERO. Unique IPs on proper hosting sites. Varied whois privacy, varied registrant information, varying registration times for domains, dripfed content, unique site designs, my PBNS are damned well realistic and I got hit by this penalty too (though to a smaller degree than what others are saying) its was notable in the serps trackers I use. And therefore, there IS something fishy going on im certain
Is google killing pbns network after last update?
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Obviously you would say this BECAUSE YOU ARE SELLING PBN DOMAINS! In truth you cannot make such a large claim "pbns still work no matter what and if they dont for you its because you are doing it wrong!" well no not really, my foot print is ZERO. Unique IPs on proper hosting sites. Varied whois privacy, varied registrant information, varying registration times for domains, dripfed content, unique site designs, my PBNS are damned well realistic and I got hit by this penalty too (though to a smaller degree than what others are saying) its was notable in the serps trackers I use. And therefore, there IS something fishy going on im certain
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If what you claim is true, they wouldn't get hit. End of story. Your domains are most likely spammed and I can assure you, that they have a pretty bad history as well. You haven't even mentioned outbound links in those footprints, haven't mentioned how many times you link out, how many money sites etc. etc. And after I read a few of your posts lately, you have lost any remnants of credibility you had in my eyes, so please, stop quoting my posts, I don't have time for butthurt amateurs with inflates egos. Thank you.
Lol someones antsy. For your information, I also manage my OBL I link not just wikipedia but varying niche sites. My domains have TF 20+ on many of them, all of them I have manually checked the back-link profile and also on archive.org, and all of them are cleared. I manage my PBN to money site ration to no more than 4:1 and never overload or cross link between either money sites or PBNs. When the evidence counteracts your point you change the theory dont let your ego flare up lol
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I will give you $100 if you send me 3 of your domains and all of them will pass my basic quality check.
What evidence? You built a shit PBN, because you have no idea what you are doing, despite thinking otherwise, and you got hit. That's all there is to that.
And for YOUR information. I don't give a fuck about you, or your PBNs or your money sites, or your dog or your information. You have close to zero experience with ranking, and SEO overall. You are unable to recognize footprints and clean domains, you are going stricly for numbers (TF20+, DA10+, PA15+, RD8+, UR5+) without deeper understanding of how it works. Go ranking your aff sites making $150 a month like you "bragged" somewhere and stop annoying me with your presence. I am sure that whatever shithole you come from, you are already a king with your 3 figure income, but please, nobody here gives a fuck, nobody here is really interested in your opinion, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
LOL you've lost it mate... I'm doing a-ok working for my local clients! you on the other hand... seem to be very frustrated lol. I would take you on your offer because its an easy 100$ but I cant be sure if youd actually try to ruin my domains with negative seo or something so theres no way thats gonna happen. Im certain my PBNs have not been discovered or penalized, but there is a google update going around, as shared by ALL THE POSTERS HERE that is having an effect on the power of those links. Either im right or we're all talking out our ass. Now if you have evidence to the contrary please share. Tell us you have a money site on the first page that HAS NOT dropped or danced in rankings that was run SOLELY on PBNs. If you don't have that then you're just spouting ad hominem rhetoric rubbish
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Sure, you won't share your PBN domains and I will share my money sites.
Sure, I may be a dick as well, but it's one thing to argue on forums and another to be a massive cunt and do a negative SEO.
And please, go through all these "PBN dead" threads and I can assure you, that you will find tons of experienced people who haven't witnessed any drop at all. The fact that you consider an amazing expert, because you have a few local clients, doesn't make you one. I would also be interested in what country you are ranking them and it what Google country version, because there are day and night differences between those.
If your PBNs haven't been penalized or discoved or anything, yet the strength of PBNs got lower, then how would Google even know what type of links to devalue?
If they could determine which site is a PBN, they would shut them down and not implement an algorithm which requires much work to pull off to partially devalue PBN links. It doesn't even make sense.- Find a way how to determine which site is a PBN site and devalue their links.
- Find a way how to determine which site is a PBN and penalize them all.
Which of the two options here makes more sense? You claim the first.
How would Google ever find your PBN domains and devalue their links, if they are so footprint-proof then?
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I'm not in any way interfering in you guys' discussion.
I'd just like to add that some sellers here are using Gmail, Google Docs and Chrome on their work and that gives the entire PBN away, the clients, the receipts and everything else.
Again, before the Google fans call me a conspiracy theorist, I'd just like to point out that any seller who does that is basically giving Google their clients' head on a platter.
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I don't really believe that using Gmail for sending PBN reports would have this kind of impact, especially for smaller networks. I believe it's much more work, and much riskier, than just improving a PBN detecting algorithm. I admit I use Gmail for communication and some small part of my domains get send out via Gmail, but they could rather track domain auctions and sites like expireddomains.net and go after domains with high TF/RD and track those. Much easier work if you ask me. Then again, I am not taking chances and I admit there's a possibility that what you are claiming is true. Still, I believe that most PBN link sellers have bigger issues than sending reports via Gmail.
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I don't really believe that using Gmail for sending PBN reports would have this kind of impact, especially for smaller networks. I believe it's much more work, and much riskier, than just improving a PBN detecting algorithm. I admit I use Gmail for communication and some small part of my domains get send out via Gmail, but they could rather track domain auctions and sites like expireddomains.net and go after domains with high TF/RD and track those. Much easier work if you ask me. Then again, I am not taking chances and I admit there's a possibility that what you are claiming is true. Still, I believe that most PBN link sellers have bigger issues than sending reports via Gmail.
Searching expired domains and domain traits like TF/RD is searching a haystack.
Your email is all summarized and has client names, receipts, URLs, everything.
Why would they waste billions of U$ in anti-spam operations searching the WWW when they have it all on Gmail?
How much would it cost to apply TF or google's real pagerank analysis to expired domains to trillions of web pages instead of simply browsing black hat SEO marketplaces for 15 minutes taking note of the gmail addresses used?
Every single PBN and link network that uses google to sell or to provide reports gets banned and people don't seem to take the hint.
I asked for a quote from a reputable seller here and he sent it to me via gmail. Sorry, they lost a customer....
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I am admitting this possibility, but I still believe there are much easier ways to do that. Just imagine what would happen if this would leak. Is it worth it for a few discovered networks they would most likely discover anyway and possibly even easier? I don't know.
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It's already been leaked and nobody gave a shit about it.
I would expect SEOs to care though.
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Any source?
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You're kidding, right?
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No I am not. I am not taking any sides here, because I was taught to think critically and consider everything and I still haven't made up my mind on it. I am inclined to believe both what you say and the exact opposite, but without proofs, it's still just a theory.
The fact that PBN link sellers using Google docs got deindexed doesn't mean much. Have you seen what kind of domains are being used and how for selling PBN links? I would be very surprised if it had to take a Gmail scan to find and deindex them honestly. People who got their PBNs hit in the recent update have built them themselves, many of them surely haven't used Gmail and are just a small fish. And when they claim "I had no footprints" I just smile.
I am taking what you are saying into account and I am being careful, but still, can you tell that Google does parse the Gmail information looking for PBN domains beyond reasonable doubt?
The Curator
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Not sure if this was posted already, but someone's watching this conversation https://www.seroundtable.com/black-hat-forums-pbn-value-23440.html
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I guess that it's pretty bad wasting time arguing on forums (what I am doing). But writing about arguing on the forums, well, that's some waste of time.
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Nargil is one of the few people that will go out of his way to look into users' domains when they think that their network got whacked due to a recent update. In every case I have seen the domains had some pretty big issues and if the domains have been spammed or have bad backlink profiles there is a good chance that the person using the domains is cutting other corners.
Instead of simply calling another BHW brother's credibility into question why not post something more constructive. If you have proof there is no footprint and that your domains are already burnt why would you not send them to Nargil for him to look into? You have nothing to lose at that point, I can't imagine Nargil going out of his way to report any domains linked from those domains.
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PBNs are long gone. %99 of people who still try to use them fail. There are a few people who still know how to use them but it last for 1-3 months tops and Google crushes it.
I wonder why so many people still don't get it. It is easier to score a guest post and pay for the article just $20-50 and get a good link instead of doing all the hassle to create a PBN.
PS - ALL PBN services are s**t.
I wonder why so many people still don't get it. It is easier to score a guest post and pay for the article just $20-50 and get a good link instead of doing all the hassle to create a PBN.
PS - ALL PBN services are s**t.
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Thank you for your amazing expertise and prediction based on tarot card readings. 99% my ass.
I bothered, for some reason, and checked your website. Most of the things you claim are supported by Google articles and what some guy from there said or didn't say. So, yeh, if you are basing your claim on some Google proofs and/or by considering Google omnipotent, then please, work with your guest posts and fresh domains instead of expired domains, nobody cares. Just don't spread misleading crap here, because PBNs are still working perfectly fine and will continue to do so for quite some time.
And I am being nice. Just sayin'.