Thinking about dropshipping but I just don't trust paypal!

Billy Batts

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And the reason is this, they hold your funds for 21 days which I think is totally bs, takes away the whole dropship mindset because you have to front the money first.

Secondly, 180 days buyer protection, are you kidding me?! So let's say you dropship from China and for example you sold some shoes but the lining doesn't hold after the buyer extensively used their shoes in 2 month.

He puts up a dispute and as paypal is to be know to be there for the buyers and not the merchants you have a big chance you will lose.

Maybe I am totally wrong, I have a verified 11 year old paypal account but have no experience using it to receive funds from business but reading the internet I just don't trust them.

Can a veteran elaborate please.
 
Don't use gaypal. They bitch for no reason and it's like their aim is to limit their accounts. Use stripe and take credit cards
 
Don't use gaypal. They bitch for no reason and it's like their aim is to limit their accounts. Use stripe and take credit cards
But on stripe's site it says that dropship it is not allowed.
 
There is no reason to not start your dropshipping (aliexpress) and to accept payments with PayPal . If for any reason your customer want refund you can claim the same from Aliexpress seller (Aliexpress buyer protection is even better that the ebay one).

To be honest if you don't accept paypal you wont have success in this area .

Stripe is even worse on chargebacks :)
 
There is no reason to not start your dropshipping (aliexpress) and to accept payments with PayPal . If for any reason your customer want refund you can claim the same from Aliexpress seller (Aliexpress buyer protection is even better that the ebay one).

To be honest if you don't accept paypal you wont have success in this area .

Stripe is even worse on chargebacks :)
The thing that holds me back is the 21 day hold up. I don't have a cc and as delivery from AE is already long you can't let your customers wait which means you have to front everything from you own pockets.
 
The thing that holds me back is the 21 day hold up. I don't have a cc and as delivery from AE is already long you can't let your customers wait which means you have to front everything from you own pockets.
Then invest from your pocket. Problem solved mate. You have to take risk, if you are playing safe you wont succeed much.
 
Like malamunia said , no pain no gain :) Look you have to take your risks with all type of business .

Btw in average only 3-5% ask for refund. If you see that specific product gets lot of complains, then simply stop selling it :)
 
Then invest from your pocket. Problem solved mate. You have to take risk, if you are playing safe you wont succeed much.
Pockets are limited, at start most goes into setting up site, software, promotion etc
Will PayPal directly freeze funds for 21 days and is this forever?

Like malamunia said , no pain no gain :) Look you have to take your risks with all type of business .

Btw in average only 3-5% ask for refund. If you see that specific product gets lot of complains, then simply stop selling it :)
Of course I research the item before putting it on the website.
 
What you gonna be dropshipping, Batts.. Shineboxes lol :p:D:)
 
Maybe 2checkout is your solution. With 2co you can accept paypal payments.
 
I have had a business paypal account for 10+ years and I have had zero issues, so I will speak from my experience.

I sold a little bit on Ebay 9-10 years ago when I upgraded to a business account. No holds whatsoever and I remember seeing a lot of people complaining about being scammed an having no recourse. You would pay for your auction, and the person would take the money and run and you couldn't get it back. Then they got stricter with making sure a bank account or credit/debit card was added. Then they started adding in verifying your identify periodically (which I have done 3x so far in the past 5 years). About 3 years ago I decided to list some more stuff on Ebay and I got smacked with the 21 day rule. I was so annoyed because I had an account in good standing for a while. So I sold a couple of things, put in my tracking info. I didn't have to wait the 21 days. I think it was maybe a week on the first sale. When the person confirmed it delivered I got my money. The next 2 sales went the same way and then the limit was lifted. I have sold various goods since and have had no hold.

So what I am getting at is if you If you habitually have chargebacks, refunds, disputes, and never provide tracking information then you pretty much deserve to have that 21 day hold because you haven't proven yourself to be trustworthy.

As far as buyers protection goes, yea of course they have buyers protection. You are buying stuff from a stranger on the internet. Everyone should have recourse if something they have purchased is not at all as described or is damaged. All credit card companies have charge back polices, anyway, that are typically up to 120 days. The dispute process directly with a credit card company is so so much worse. They contact your bank and instantly take the money in dispute. If the dispute is found in your favor, they refund you. If it is not, it goes back to the customer. And you have to jump through whatever hoops they ask you to and provide whatever documentation they want. And some cards have their own rules. Like Discover doesn't allow you to contact the customer once the charge back process has begun. You can't even try and make it right with them. And even if it is found in your favor, you as a merchant STILL end up incurring expenses for the process. Plus, you have to take into account that some of these charge backs are going to be due to stolen credit cards/fraudulent purchases. People don't get refunded out of thin air.

Buyers protection should be the last step a buyer should be taking to get recourse. You need to establish a fair return policy, up front, when you set up your store and a way to contact someone if they are not happy with the purchase. You cannot go into opening a retail store with the mindset that there will never be any returns or people who are unhappy with the Chinese quality of goods you're are selling or how long shipping takes. Plus you can never provide tracking information to your buyers or Paypal so that doesn't look good to either of them.

Put yourself in a customer's shoes when you look at your shop. Would you really buy from it? I get that people want to make a quick buck and think dropshipping is the key since you don'y have to invest in inventory. But you end up with all of the same issues and headaches a normal retail store ends up with so you need to be prepared.

So, yea, Paypal isn't the best when you are trying to do something like dropshipping.
 
What you gonna be dropshipping, Batts.. Shineboxes lol :p:D:)
Those great days are unfortunately over ;):D
I have had a business paypal account for 10+ years and I have had zero issues, so I will speak from my experience.

I sold a little bit on Ebay 9-10 years ago when I upgraded to a business account. No holds whatsoever and I remember seeing a lot of people complaining about being scammed an having no recourse. You would pay for your auction, and the person would take the money and run and you couldn't get it back. Then they got stricter with making sure a bank account or credit/debit card was added. Then they started adding in verifying your identify periodically (which I have done 3x so far in the past 5 years). About 3 years ago I decided to list some more stuff on Ebay and I got smacked with the 21 day rule. I was so annoyed because I had an account in good standing for a while. So I sold a couple of things, put in my tracking info. I didn't have to wait the 21 days. I think it was maybe a week on the first sale. When the person confirmed it delivered I got my money. The next 2 sales went the same way and then the limit was lifted. I have sold various goods since and have had no hold.

So what I am getting at is if you If you habitually have chargebacks, refunds, disputes, and never provide tracking information then you pretty much deserve to have that 21 day hold because you haven't proven yourself to be trustworthy.

As far as buyers protection goes, yea of course they have buyers protection. You are buying stuff from a stranger on the internet. Everyone should have recourse if something they have purchased is not at all as described or is damaged. All credit card companies have charge back polices, anyway, that are typically up to 120 days. The dispute process directly with a credit card company is so so much worse. They contact your bank and instantly take the money in dispute. If the dispute is found in your favor, they refund you. If it is not, it goes back to the customer. And you have to jump through whatever hoops they ask you to and provide whatever documentation they want. And some cards have their own rules. Like Discover doesn't allow you to contact the customer once the charge back process has begun. You can't even try and make it right with them. And even if it is found in your favor, you as a merchant STILL end up incurring expenses for the process. Plus, you have to take into account that some of these charge backs are going to be due to stolen credit cards/fraudulent purchases. People don't get refunded out of thin air.

Buyers protection should be the last step a buyer should be taking to get recourse. You need to establish a fair return policy, up front, when you set up your store and a way to contact someone if they are not happy with the purchase. You cannot go into opening a retail store with the mindset that there will never be any returns or people who are unhappy with the Chinese quality of goods you're are selling or how long shipping takes. Plus you can never provide tracking information to your buyers or Paypal so that doesn't look good to either of them.

Put yourself in a customer's shoes when you look at your shop. Would you really buy from it? I get that people want to make a quick buck and think dropshipping is the key since you don'y have to invest in inventory. But you end up with all of the same issues and headaches a normal retail store ends up with so you need to be prepared.

So, yea, Paypal isn't the best when you are trying to do something like dropshipping.
I don't do eBay, will be selling through my site and I would only offer products that have tracking but that doesn't necessarily means it will be with DHL, ups, FedEx, and 21 days I can understand if they get complains about you but the whole 21 days is just to unclear.
Will they slap you directly with 21 days, will they do it when you sold more things, it's just not clear.
And once you have it,how long it will be like that?
 
You didn't even start and you already complain about the issue that you don't have. Start, try it out. Start small and if something goes wrong, you won't take a huge loss.
 
If you search for "ecommerce payment proceessor" in Google, there are plenty of Paypal alternatives that come up....WorldPay, Authorize.net or possibly look into Shopify, although I'm not sure if that's going to suit your needs.
 
They lay it out pretty clearly here :

https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/Why-won%E2%80%99t-my-payment-be-available-for-21-days-FAQ3236
It nowhere states if they do it directly or how long this will be.
Still think it's bs though, new accounts that are not fully verified I could understand but otherwise, it's not appealing to sellers.
Too bad the people in my country are too smart as our payment system you receive your funds in 2 days.
 
You didn't even start and you already complain about the issue that you don't have. Start, try it out. Start small and if something goes wrong, you won't take a huge loss.
I don't complain, I just researching options and starting prepared.
 
If you search for "ecommerce payment proceessor" in Google, there are plenty of Paypal alternatives that come up....WorldPay, Authorize.net or possibly look into Shopify, although I'm not sure if that's going to suit your needs.
True, I already going to test shopify this week but a big part for sells will be Americans and they like Paypal.
I guess I will just start and see how it goes.
 
Paypal is a major pain in the ass, but removing it will cripple me and reduce sales by too much.
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