Scammed by GrahamCrackers

[GrahamCrackers]

It doesn't always mean that, but the refund was initiated and set up. Cut out my paypal's info.. you kept claiming that you weren't being refunded and I was showing you that you were. I just spoke to my bank, and it doesn't mean that I don't have money. I have overdraft protection. So there is clearly something wrong. I didn't refund you a few hours ago, I refunded you December 25th which was the holiday, so there was a delayed process. I really have no idea how the personal paypal works as this is a stealth account that I bought off the askpin forum.

 

[ThePit]

Well what about my money ? The $500 To be more exact , I've been waiting on them for over a month now and still nothing just getting told that I will get it working on it , Shit Listing was the best and fastest Way to prevent this from happening again to more people. And if you are that HQ and you will pay back you will not get banned. But seeing how many SL you've previously got this had to be made. I would really like to get atleast a set DATE to when i will get my money , If I don't then Bye Bye Graham.

 

[GrahamCrackers]

Well what about my money ? The $500 To be more exact , I've been waiting on them for over a month now and still nothing just getting told that I will get it working on it , Shit Listing was the best and fastest Way to prevent this from happening again to more people. And if you are that HQ and you will pay back you will not get banned. But seeing how many SL you've previously got this had to be made. I would really like to get atleast a set DATE to when i will get my money , If I don't then Bye Bye Graham.

I already tried to work things out with you Creativ3 and you didn't agree with it. The bank has not refunded me and my overdraft doesn't cover but up to 100. I offered to pay you in increments. You told me, you wanted it back in one lump. I told you numerous times I would work to get it off.

If I get banned, well that's up to the moderators. Not you.

Here is a joke graham said on page 18 I thought it was funny. [12/7/2015 3:14:46 PM] Graham Lorenzo: Everyone is quick to learn things and then cut people out when they're the ones who put the time and effort. I'll eventually be making 1000-3000 dollar days Kinda clear that type of claim is redic false and is meant to entice thepit.... Ok bro 3k days...

Not sure how this is a joke? Am I not supposed to be able to make money? Or here.. We are all after one goal, to become self sufficient, provide food on the table, feed our families. There are MANY who surpass that daily amount, but one thing I did learn.. You HAVE to put the hard work in. The method I have is very repetitive but once it pops out, it can be very rewarding. Yeah, I have been shitlisted and I have risen above it before. I am not sitting here thinking of an exit strategy, I am thinking how can I get this resolved. I know I am a good guy with good intentions. The screen shots below clearly show that I was fed a method, but lies are all around, started by you and Nanexo. I don't blame you though, I really don't because this is hopefully a clearing to greater things to come. Pong lied to Creative and it's all right there. I know I am getting jerked around but it's whatever.

Originally Posted by GrahamCrackersThis just gets better and better. You remember the dude who pretty much gave me the method. Well Creative went and sought him out. Pong tells him that he didn't give me a method because I seemed obsessed with money. I was like.. this is the guy who claimed that indianbill was scamming him. He wanted accounts and it's like everyone wants everything for free..
Here is what I say to him via Skype before he blocks me: http://tinypic.com/r/2822dyu/9

He tells Creative this apparently.. https://gyazo.com/bf6233e23ff4c5a09702cdb0a03e0ed5

He offered to pay me so I could get the method going. I made these accounts and he never followed through. Then today, oldsalt tells me don't tell anyone he'd vouch for me. I was like, dude. I might be gullible but that's the last thing I would have anyone do. It hurts because I look like this complete idiot. Like I have no business being in business.
I am having people who have bought accounts demanding me to give them money back that were deals that go way back. I research and see they lead back to the three of them.


He's still harassing me about the method. I have since learned other things but I'm truly hoping that my luck will break and I will see success.

 

[OldSalt]

@GrahamCrackers, when you are the one that owes the money, the burden of coming up with a plan that is acceptable is up to you. What is your proposal to refund ThePit?

@BigTroll, so both your refunds are now pending? Obviously they are later then you expected, but please confirm when they clear. Thanks

OS

 

[GrahamCrackers]

I've offered a weekly plan since he wanted btc back.

 

[OldSalt]

GrahamCrackers as I just told you via skype, you need to post details of your plan.

 

[ThePit]

He can pay me through Bank Transfer or Western Union if he really wants me to get the money.

Any other stuff graham can say ?

 

[GrahamCrackers]

Per the conversation with OS, I'll be making payments but I am not going to be able to set anything until I get some money. I am currently working on something. I'll be back accordingly.

I have nothing more to say until the funds can be presented.

 

[OldSalt]

GrahamCrackers, what part of HOW MUCH, HOW OFTEN and STARTING WHEN was unclear? If you're going to reference our skype conversation, the least you can do is give the details I said to. This is not going to go on with an unknown start and end point. Make a plan and if it's acceptable by ThePit, you'll be allowed to go forward as long as you stick to that plan.

OS

 

[GrahamCrackers]

I will have a minimum of 100.00 in btc to ThePit within 72 hours, so Monday 5pm EST. To be honest, I am not sure if my overdraft will be covering, it was pending in my bank account this afternoon, so I am praying for that to be honored. If it is not, I'll have to figure a route with BigTroll as well.

Thanks,
Graham

 

[The Blackhat Guy]

Per the conversation with OS, I'll be making payments but I am not going to be able to set anything until I get some money. I am currently working on something. I'll be back accordingly.

I have nothing more to say until the funds can be presented.

What's about me? Graham, do you have my $125 on your bank account? answer with yes or not!


"If the status of your refund is "Pending," this means that the seller did not have the funds actively on hand and a bank transfer has been initiated to capture the funds and send them to you"

 

[GrahamCrackers]

To be honest, I am not sure if my overdraft will be covering, it was pending in my bank account this afternoon, so I am praying for that to be honored. If it is not, I'll have to figure a route with BigTroll as well.

Read through the thread B.Troll. I have already addressed you.

What's about me? Graham, do you have my $125 on your bank account? answer with yes or not!


"If the status of your refund is "Pending," this means that the seller did not have the funds actively on hand and a bank transfer has been initiated to capture the funds and send them to you"

 

[The Blackhat Guy]

OldSalt, can we ban this idiot?
As I told you on my #1, he's a fuckin' liar. And he proved it again. He "Refunded" me without having any money on his bank account. The payment was canceled. This guy is really sick...he's playing with us.

 

[GrahamCrackers]

OldSalt, can we ban this idiot?
As I told you on my #1, he's a fuckin' liar. And he proved it again. He "Refunded" me without having any money on his bank account. The payment was canceled. This guy is really sick...he's playing with us.

you just lied dude.

the payment is not canceled, it's pending on my side. Here in the states, our bank allows us to have overdraft protection. My bank account is opted in for overdraft protection, whereas it is my bank's discretion whether they will choose to honor the payment.

http://i67.tinypic.com/156yg5k.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2rfq16x.jpg

I took one more to include the date and time this was taken on the right hand corner. 1/7/16 at 9:24 pm EST.
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No one is playing you. I may not be the smartest in business but one thing I do is do my best to correct any wrongs I may have.

Cheers..

 

[OldSalt]

BigTroll,

You appear not not be able to see what I posted above, so let me make it bigger and underline it for you:
PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

Reminder to everyone else:
Shit list rule #4:
If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.

This will be your last warning - Next I will give you an infraction for abuse. You don't have to like him, but you will keep it professional.

and in case you hadn't noticed, all of us are working to get both of you fully refunded. If I were to ban GrahamCrackers, that takes away most of any incentive for him to ensure you both are refunded - We will give it the time to see if the refund goes through or not and go from there.

OS

 

[The Blackhat Guy]

you just lied dude.

the payment is not canceled, it's pending on my side. Here in the states, our bank allows us to have overdraft protection. My bank account is opted in for overdraft protection, whereas it is my bank's discretion whether they will choose to honor the payment.


Cheers..

Ok, I'm the liar here. Good we cleared this.
"An eCheck payment from XXXXX was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment."

OldSalt, do you really believe his "good intentions" when he intentionatelly send a payment without having money on his accs? Do you really think he didnt knew that he dont have money?

 

[GrahamCrackers]

Ok, I'm the liar here. Good we cleared this.
"An eCheck payment from XXXXX was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment."

OldSalt, do you really believe his "good intentions" when he intentionatelly send a payment without having money on his accs? Do you really think he didnt knew that he dont have money?

I have money on my account, I don't have the 125 since I utilized some towards your campaign. I am gathering the funds so that when they automatically do it again in 3 days. I'll have it. The bank picks and chooses the things they'll allow to go through and not. You genuinely have no idea how the US bank systems work. Which I am okay with. You aren't meant to know what they are. However, your push that I am just doing this just to do this to you which isn't the case at all.

No one is calling you a liar. I haven't read that anywhere. When that pulls through, you'll have the funds in place. That is going to happen.


You lied when you said yesterday that that I cancelled the payment and that it didn't clear yesterday when I received the email today... You are out to get vengeance when it's not necessary. I talk to you in a cordial matter. All I wish for is the same thing.

 

[The Blackhat Guy]

I have money on my account, I don't have the 125 since I utilized some towards your campaign. I am gathering the funds so that when they automatically do it again in 3 days. I'll have it. The bank picks and chooses the things they'll allow to go through and not. You genuinely have no idea how the US bank systems work. Which I am okay with. You aren't meant to know what they are. However, your push that I am just doing this just to do this to you which isn't the case at all.

No one is calling you a liar. I haven't read that anywhere. When that pulls through, you'll have the funds in place. That is going to happen.


You lied when you said yesterday that that I cancelled the payment and that it didn't clear yesterday when I received the email today... You are out to get vengeance when it's not necessary. I talk to you in a cordial matter. All I wish for is the same thing.

Why you can not topup your paypal? It's instant.


And regards:

You remember me about http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...reengoblin-scammed-me-5-000-dollars-cash.html , especially this part:

That's exactly what Graham is doing right now.


Also, someone PM'd me this:

 

[GrahamCrackers]

I showed you proof the day I sent it. No it is not instant when you don't have a credit card attached. Honestly, you want to say that I am a pathological liar?? I went on Christmas. You claimed that you weren't paid. I knew I had started the process.

I am NOT a bad person and you can say what you will and listen to others. It's none of my business what another WHO HAS NEVER dealt with me inputs. I can almost tell you everyone has an opinion. When I was younger, things like that would bother me but as I have gotten older. I get chastised because I want payment upfront or I want to go after money. I'm told I'm money hungry because I want to feed my family. Someone always will be pointing a finger somewhere. I have NEVER had anyone banned just because. If you intentionally do wrong, then you are at fault. If you choose not to man up, then that's on you. I have faced this issue and I am going to rise above it. That's what respectful people do.

I made a mistake. I am not here to sugar coat or anything.

I have been trying to pick up extra work without avail but I am firm believer in Christ and I'll get through this. Not because of manipulation but because I genuinely do want to succeed and further myself. Everyone is going to always find negative or not like me regardless.

Graham

 

[ThePit]

I showed you proof the day I sent it. No it is not instant when you don't have a credit card attached. Honestly, you want to say that I am a pathological liar?? I went on Christmas. You claimed that you weren't paid. I knew I had started the process.

I am NOT a bad person and you can say what you will and listen to others. It's none of my business what another WHO HAS NEVER dealt with me inputs. I can almost tell you everyone has an opinion. When I was younger, things like that would bother me but as I have gotten older. I get chastised because I want payment upfront or I want to go after money. I'm told I'm money hungry because I want to feed my family. Someone always will be pointing a finger somewhere. I have NEVER had anyone banned just because. If you intentionally do wrong, then you are at fault. If you choose not to man up, then that's on you. I have faced this issue and I am going to rise above it. That's what respectful people do.

I made a mistake. I am not here to sugar coat or anything.

I have been trying to pick up extra work without avail but I am firm believer in Christ and I'll get through this. Not because of manipulation but because I genuinely do want to succeed and further myself. Everyone is going to always find negative or not like me regardless.

Graham

Okay so now that you've paid him , when will you be able to give me a specific time when you will be able to pay me my money back, I am able to take any Payment method you want and would really like to get this money ASAP. I've been waiting for too long now and its really annoying me.