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Scammed by GrahamCrackers

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by BigTroll, Dec 27, 2015.

  1. BigTroll

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    ---- THREAD CLOSED 01/11/2016 ----
    user: GrahamCrackers
    profile: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/856229-grahamcrackers.html

    This guy is a big scammer and even a bigger liar. I have sent him $125 for some IG mentions which he never delivered, day by day he have invented tons of excuses, I have countinously asked for a refund, he even gave to me a fake refund proof INGfgzX.png

    It's obvious I didnt got any more. Now, after 2 weeks, I decided to shitlist him.
    Apricot, please be aware, he's a very good liar.
     
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  2. ThePit

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    I was on skype with GrahamCrackers in a skype group Key Cash Fire Discussions where Nanexo and Mermaid are mods i think.
    So this guy Graham wrote that he needed some money to start a JV he got a legit method from pong ( CPAGrip guy ).

    I was like okay he knows most of his stuff, might aswell go with him in the JV , he asked for 500 USD which I sent to his BTC address.

    I was meant to be getting the money back in 2 weeks and then 60-40 cut for me , After like 1 week I asked him to see any of the income that he earned or the method or anything to do with our Journey, but I think he is just a crack head who needs to scam people to feed his drug addiction.
    So since that week I asked for a refund the guy is just pushing me with different kind of "I'm trying to get the money for you" Which i know this is utterly chatting bull crap.

    So anyone who was in the skype group at the moment I've done the deal with him, we both posted stuff in there about our JV , and he agreed to the terms.I would really want to get justice in this matter ASAP. Because this guy has owed me 500 usd months now and still didnt pay me back.
     
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    I merged 2 threads against GrahamCrackers together. I have notified him he has 48 hours to respond.

    OS
    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
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    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
     
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  4. GrahamCrackers

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    [3:07:31 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I am definitely being hit hard with the scams. I have refunded yet his friends seem to think I am stupid or something. I am the ********* transaction. You'll see that I've refunded and I really have no problems.
    [307 PM] BHW NUMBERS:http://i.imgur.com/wDwqvnd.png
    [3:20:01 PM] BHW NUMBERS:http://i.imgur.com/swIlZ6M.png
    I sent him a third refund, while we are waiting our flight. I'm calling them. I am pretty sure they'll tell me the same thing as it was refunded.










    Name
    *****************




    Email
    ******************




    Transaction ID
    0DB60806UB832543X




    Original payment
    $125.00 USD




    Amount Refunded by Seller
    $125.00 USD




    Fees Refunded by PayPal
    $0.00 USD




    Total Refund Amount
    $125.00 USD Help




    Source of Funds
    Checking (Confirmed) x-12**




    Note: Your PayPal balance isn't enough to cover this refund. The full refund amount will automatically come from SUNTRUST Checking (Confirmed) x-1283. This refund will take 3-5 business days to complete.

    [5:47:41 AM] BHW NUMBERS: give me your bhw username
    [5:47:44 AM] BHW NUMBERS: fuckin scammer
    [3:09:21 PM] BHW NUMBERS: you're shitlisted!
    [3:09:25 PM] BHW NUMBERS: motherfucker (finger)
    [3:09:40 PM] Graham Lorenzo: we are en route from vacation
    [3:09:49 PM] Graham Lorenzo: what are you talking about?
    [3:10:00 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I gave you a refund just like I showed you
    [3:10:27 PM] BHW NUMBERS: no, you didnt
    [3:10:31 PM] BHW NUMBERS: I didn't got any money
    [3:10:34 PM] Graham Lorenzo: yes i did
    [3:10:35 PM] BHW NUMBERS: hope u will get banned today
    [3:10:38 PM] Graham Lorenzo: you saw the email
    [3:10:40 PM] BHW NUMBERS: fuckin scammer
    [3:10:43 PM] Graham Lorenzo: i hope you get banned
    [3:10:48 PM] Graham Lorenzo: for lying
    [3:10:55 PM] BHW NUMBERS: fuck you! idiot
    [3:10:59 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I went on vacation
    [3:11:09 PM] Graham Lorenzo: i hate it when people use vulgar language
    [3:11:29 PM] BHW NUMBERS: I hate when I'm metting idiots scammers like you
    [3:11:30 PM] Graham Lorenzo: and try to pull fast ones
    [3:11:37 PM] Graham Lorenzo: i am not an idiot
    [3:11:42 PM] Graham Lorenzo: it was christmas
    [3:11:46 PM] BHW NUMBERS: don't care
    [3:11:51 PM] BHW NUMBERS: u owe me money for 2 weeks
    [3:11:51 PM] Graham Lorenzo: sorry that you arent from here
    [3:11:59 PM] Graham Lorenzo: but I dont live by my computer
    [3:12:03 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I dont
    [3:12:06 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I do care
    [3:12:11 PM] Graham Lorenzo: my family cares
    [3:12:14 PM] BHW NUMBERS: u'll get banned soon ;) don't worry
    [3:12:19 PM] Graham Lorenzo: why didnt you contact my dad
    [3:12:22 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I won't
    [3:12:27 PM] Graham Lorenzo: because I have proof
    [3:12:31 PM] BHW NUMBERS: because you're the retard who stolen my money
    [3:12:34 PM] BHW NUMBERS: not him
    [3:12:35 PM] Graham Lorenzo: cause you are lying
    [3:12:42 PM] Graham Lorenzo: he would have called me
    [3:12:47 PM] Graham Lorenzo: you know he would have
    [3:13:32 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I really don't appreciate your games dude
    [3:13:39 PM] Graham Lorenzo: or girl. i am sorry
    [3:16:21 PM] Graham Lorenzo: and you know my bhw id name
    [3:16:55 PM] BHW NUMBERS: I just found it today
    [3:17:03 PM] Graham Lorenzo: so stop playing games. If you truly haven't gotten your refund, let me see proof because I showed you proof on my behalf. I will call them right now
    [3:17:07 PM] BHW NUMBERS: I delete my PM's weekly


    ---------------------------------------------------------First response to shitist---------------------------------------------------------

    I probably should have kept my mouth shut when I was being handed a golden nugget. Everyone has came out of the wood work lately.


    I took off my Skype just for this whole ordeal.
    Graham Lorenzo: Hey Apricot,
    I know you and JazzC run the shitlist and I just wanted to approach because I entered a JV where I was doing a method that I had received from another member. He basically spoonfed me. It was in regards to game hacks.


    I was part of Nanexo's lil keyword group. We were all talking. One of the guys wanted to invest in the method. I broke it down without giving it away to where they could take it from me. I wrote the whole plan out. I had been approaching people because it was lucrative. Even MrE said that I would have a good opportunity but he was looking for bigger.


    So the kid and I get into this agreement. Around the holidays. I told him, I would start right after thanksgiving. I get things off the bat. I told him that he would be able to see the earnings since CPAGrip publicizes things. He wanted to know play by play. I told him what I was doing and Pong (my spoonfeeder) told me that I should get a bot made. I had the kids' 500 and went and proceeded. Then Mermaid and Nanexo were right there wanting me to refund Creativ3 because they wanted to get in on it and scale it up. Yet they wanted ALL the details laid out. I wasn't comfortable as Pong told me to not lay all my eggs out there.


    They got mad when I wouldn't give them the method.


    I am going to post the entire conversation between Creativ3 and I and you can decide what I should do. My bank found it in my favor. I don't have money. In fact, I am in the hole. That was the whole point of getting someone in this with me.


    I wasn't here to scam. I wanted to make money and these two guys totally ganged up on me and have tried to turn people against me because I wasn't willing to share what was making the thing pop off.


    I am overwhelmed as I have no clue what to do. Until the bank refunds me, my hands are tied. I have no words to express aside that I feel that I have dealt with every scammer to this forum.


    http://1drv.ms/1OKLSH6 the chat logs.


    I know it's going to shit list me because of this. I didn't scam anyone and I was just keeping my cards safe

    This just gets better and better. You remember the dude who pretty much gave me the method. Well Creative went and sought him out. Pong tells him that he didn't give me a method because I seemed obsessed with money. I was like.. this is the guy who claimed that ******* was scamming him. He wanted accounts and it's like everyone wants everything for free..
    Here is what I say to him via Skype before he blocks me: http://tinypic.com/r/2822dyu/9

    He tells Creative this apparently.. https://gyazo.com/bf6233e23ff4c5a09702cdb0a03e0ed5

    He offered to pay me so I could get the method going. I made these accounts and he never followed through. Then today, oldsalt tells me don't tell anyone he'd vouch for me. I was like, dude. I might be gullible but that's the last thing I would have anyone do. It hurts because I look like this complete idiot. Like I have no business being in business.
    I am having people who have bought accounts demanding me to give them money back that were deals that go way back. I research and see they lead back to the three of them.

    He's still harassing me about the method. I have since learned other things but I'm truly hoping that my luck will break and I will see success.

    Definitely screwing with my head.

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    ​I take responsibility for this mess. I unfortunately have no money for Creativ3 in regards to the 500, he wanted a refunded almost immediately after I paid for the services. Unfortunately it's my bank's discretion. I have told him repeatedly that I wasn't looking to scam him and that I would find a way even if my bank didn't give me the provisional credit to back the claim. It is in their discretion to do so. I am not here to scam anyone. I can't get a job or I'd have one. I can just hope that I can continue to work through things and eventually I'll clear things up. Hopefully this suffices. There are others I am sure will come out of the woodwork, and like I have told everyone that I have dealt with. I will get this straightened out the best that I can.

    Graham Lorenzo
     
  5. MermaidMurder

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    Ok I will weigh in on 2 things. For one I for this piece of pie on page 11 of the graham doc.
    [12/1/2015 5:25:59 PM] CR3ATIV3: If is good and make money of it definetly ill invest if you'll need it[12/1/2015 5:26:09 PM] CR3ATIV3: and if I got the money
    [12/1/2015 5:26:12 PM] Graham Lorenzo: O already made 87 today
    [12/1/2015 5:26:19 PM] CR3ATIV3: in like 3-6 months who knows where we can get
    [12/1/2015 5:26:30 PM] CR3ATIV3: Let me see
    [12/1/2015 501 PM] Graham Lorenzo: it's the method
    [12/1/2015 508 PM] CR3ATIV3: see the results
    [12/1/2015 510 PM] CR3ATIV3: of the method
    [12/1/2015 516 PM] Graham Lorenzo: but when I get cashed out, I'll send the 60%
    [12/1/2015 519 PM] Graham Lorenzo: to you
    [12/1/2015 535 PM] CR3ATIV3: what u mean ?
    [12/1/2015 503 PM] Graham Lorenzo: I'm sending you the 423 back
    [12/1/2015 516 PM] Graham Lorenzo: When I get cashed out on the 87, I'll send you 60%
    [12/1/2015 530 PM] CR3ATIV3: Okay
    [12/1/2015 558 PM] CR3ATIV3: So I will get all my 500 back or just like
    [12/1/2015 5:29:02 PM] CR3ATIV3: 480 or something ? )
    [12/1/2015 532 PM] Graham Lorenzo: you'll get 420ish then in about 3-4 days, I'll send you the remaining
    [12/1/2015 554 PM] CR3ATIV3: alright
    [12/1/2015 557 PM] CR3ATIV3: fair enough


    That alone should be where I stop talking..... But it won't be lol. I want to go ahead and put graham on blast for even bringing me up. I told thepit get a refund. Why the mods may wonder? Well for 2 reasons. To start I consider thepit an online friend. We talk pretty fairly often. So that being said 2 major(there are others)things occurred which put me on notice about graham. He was displaying some very odd and high risk behavior. For one he said he needed more money for the JV he already had going. So while talking to him I asked for invoices of the things he purchased he made numerous excuses as to not showing. This was when he said he only spent 75$ on only proxies.. I'm thinking wth does he need 75$ in proxies for right? LOL then I ask him about the offers and lander he was using. I asked him about the Fb fan pages he was driving clicks to(at this point I thought he was doing FB ads to cpa offers).... This guy shows me my own fan page and says its his.. LOL Anyone wondering why I have a fanpage in the same niche lol easy answer. Anyone who puts their niche on blast in a skype group of 100+ members already gave it away. So I was bench marking the method. Which is how i know graham is lying about it all. I am monitoring every fan page in the niche right now and he is either using a fucking blotspot to run offers or he is just out right lying. Either way he isn't making 85$ a day doing anything at all with game hacks.


    I was really surprised by him showing me my own fanpage and then saying nah that isnt what he meant. He said he meant he contacted the owener of said page... which is me lol and he has not.


    The 2nd high risk thing was when talking about % of profits for using a cash injection. He told me that he would split the entire amount made. I brought the point up that it was unfair to thepit... He said let me handle that. We asked him to refund thepit and then just do a redrawing of the profits to be fair to everyone. He said ok that would work(i think he was buying time and never intended to refund shit). Honestly I was done when he showed me my own page lol. But I wanted to see how far the lies went and indeed they are deep.


    I dont want to dive into how I know none of the pages are his or anything about fb. I am not going to go out and talk about the shit being done. If a mod wants proof of ownership to show he is a liar ok but other then that... I will prolly be done posting unless I have to.


    Also on page 12 there are no dates next to my convo with graham... which i think are put in that spot to support that I some how did him wrong...

    Here is a joke graham said on page 18 I thought it was funny. [12/7/2015 3:14:46 PM] Graham Lorenzo: Everyone is quick to learn things and then cut people out when they're the ones who put the time and effort. I'll eventually be making 1000-3000 dollar days Kinda clear that type of claim is redic false and is meant to entice thepit.... Ok bro 3k days...
     
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  6. GrahamCrackers

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    I never showed you a page of yours. I showed you an example. If I did show your page, well it was merely coincidence as I was explaining what we would do as far as the pages. If I recall, I was explaining what I was trying to do. If that is indeed your page, I'd like you to prove it. You'll see through the chat logs that MM was in the niche himself and he blatantly states he wanted to know what was making it pop. In fact, if you look at this screenshot... http://tinypic.com/r/23hoiog/9

    You have been trying to discredit me from the get go because I wouldn't tell you the process and what was the exact algorithm. You and your pal have a knack for doing this. It's been brought up several times. http://1drv.ms/1Z0lHxr (This was my JV proposal)

    There was more to that conversation between Creativ3 and I. There was a lot of conversation between us.
     
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    While I gave him screenshots with my all paypal transactions, he only provided a stupid/copy paste which can be easily faked.

    OldSalt, please ask him to post a screenshot with the refund, INCLUDING THE DATE. I knew he will try to scam posting a copy/paste for another payment. It's because I have sent him the money as buyer and he said he have to wait a few days to get them...that's why he refunded me but I insta-sent him another payment as gift. The dates can prove this, I'll send you a PM right now.

    Scammer-Lorenzo, everybody knows that u're a fuckin' liar, so just refund my money and stop being a dick.
     
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  8. GrahamCrackers

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    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.
     
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    You dumb...you just showed me how you refunded me $125. The main problem is that I have sent you $126.25 SCAMMER
    The payment have sent as gift, so you can't invent excuses like "paypal comission"
    [​IMG]
     
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    You dumb...just because I have said "$125" on my first post, you just showed how you refunded me $125. The main problem is that I have sent you $126.25
    The payment have sent as gift, so you can't invent excuses like "paypal comission"
    [​IMG]
     
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    Actually there is a 1% commission when sending money as gift, at least that's how it works with my paypal.
     
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  12. GrahamCrackers

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    don't know how to do all that stuff but I have shown this, time and time again but you can see with the screen shot he was refunded everything out, etc. You need to stop calling me names and block out any personal details. per the rules.

    http://i66.tinypic.com/2rehxyx.png
     
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    I have asked you 3 times already to post a screenshot INCLUDING THE DATE OF REFUND.
     
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    okay, I am trying to not reveal your information but the only way I can is this..

    http://i66.tinypic.com/95r68g.jpg


    there are three refunds! three!!! I don't know how many different times I have to show this, but hopefully this shows that no one scammed you. you are the one who has falsified this shit list when you were refunded several times. I had no reason to keep your money. ever.
     
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    Ok, so, 12 dec.
    THAT'S THE DAY WHEN WE STARTED TO BUSINESS. I have asked for a refund after 1-2 weeks, not 1-2 hours. Holy shit...
     
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    Not trying to butt in or take sides but since you already called his refund stats fake can you clear this up, you're saying the gift send charged you $1.25 fee but I thought that the reason people sent as gifts was either because #1 because they can't do a chargeback and #2 because there are no fees
     
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    @OldSalt, this guy just refunded me a few hours ago.
    [​IMG]
    The money will be on pending for 3 days.
    It's obvious he lied, as I opened and he claimed he sent me the money the last year...
    Let's keep this thread open 3 more days, until I'll get the money :)
     
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    @OldSalt, this guy just refunded me a few hours ago.
    [​IMG]
    The money will be on pending for 3 days.
    It's obvious he lied, as I opened and he claimed he sent me the money the last year...
    Let's keep this thread open 2 more days :)

    PayPal Staff said: "If the status of your refund is "Pending," this means that the seller did not have the funds actively on hand and a bank transfer has been initiated to capture the funds and send them to you"
    Graham, is not enough to press the "Refund" button, you need to have money too
     
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    I have no clue why that is. but that money was sent to you like 10 days ago. you need to block out all personal information dude. wtf. it's in the shit list rules to BLOCK ALL INFORMATION OUT THAT IS PERSONAL.

    IT STATED that it takes 3-5 days. as per the what I showed you.
     
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    It's because you have no money on your bank account.
    And cut the drama...you have posted my personal informations too. I have no time to modify 10 screenshots just to hide your name. I haven't posted your address, even I have it.




    EDIT: Do you have any proof that you have +$125 on your bank acc?
     
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