What do you hate most about SEO services on BHW?

[dandan594594]

The thing that pisses me off about this market place, and all others selling SEO services, is the yearly re-branding of packages.... Link wheel >> Link pyramid >> Tiered links.

People have started to do this with PBN services... Untraceable, High DA/TF, (Approved) and best of all "Rank increase guaranteed"

I really feel sorry for newbies checking out the market place. Very easy to waste money!

 

[billybigbuck]

I thought I would chime in on my 2 cents.

As a first time buyer of the services on BHW, and been scammed. I can say that I am now a lot more cautious on who I will be using, IF I use anybody a next time on here. This is a great forum for IM, but also seems to attract the wrong kind, if you know what I mean.

Latest scam I had, was pay seller for 3 orders... all good, he then completes all the posts... all good so far! but then a couple of days later, REMOVES my posts, which I had payed for and when I asked for a refund, the guy told me "Good Luck"

The member who scammed me, was called Breni.. AVOID his gig at all costs.

 

[Reaver]

I thought I would chime in on my 2 cents.

As a first time buyer of the services on BHW, and been scammed. I can say that I am now a lot more cautious on who I will be using, IF I use anybody a next time on here. This is a great forum for IM, but also seems to attract the wrong kind, if you know what I mean.

Latest scam I had, was pay seller for 3 orders... all good, he then completes all the posts... all good so far! but then a couple of days later, REMOVES my posts, which I had payed for and when I asked for a refund, the guy told me "Good Luck"

The member who scammed me, was called Breni.. AVOID his gig at all costs.

Did you open a Shit List?

 

[Vic Sage]

I ran out of thanks on this thread! Things I hate - 1. Pictures of girls that has nothing to do with the actual BST. 2. "Iron Man Approved", "Kim Kardashian's Booty", "Anything related to latest blockbuster hits".

 

[neverquitting]

I wouldnt say marketplace is full of shit as mentioned by some here. Marketplace does have good services too. I have tried some SEO services with higher budget obviously and they have been fruitful to me. If you expect page 1 rankings at $5, you should better read about SEO first. There are good services and I would say there is no thread which would be difficult for you to judge before making a purchase. You can read and know if its a good service or are just fake reviews. Also, lurking around the forums help you to recognize people and when you see their reviews, you could know the legitimacy of the thread.

It has scopes to be made better and I wouldn't say we have a better marketing brain than Damien and other respectable mods here, LOL. They know the pros and cons and they know how to drive the forum and make it a better place. Recently, I saw many threads slammed. So, I think there are periodic clean ups too. Also, I think if we want to make BHW a better place, we could come up with suggestions rather than having a complaining tone. I have used freelancer and if we could have ratings as them, it would be great but some part of me thinks it wouldnt suit here.

Yeah, again those trendy catchy designs are good to look at but grab the juice from your brain rather than your eyes when purchasing

I don't think most people in this thread are saying there are no good services in the Marketplace. After all, many of us (myself included, just not SEO related) are sellers ourselves. The gripe is more with certain business practices that at best skirt the line between salesmanship and lying, and at worst are outright scams.

It's one thing to say an established member should know that a $5 service can't be anything of quality. It's another to expect a newbie to know that. It's another thing still to expect someone from a country where $5 is a lot of money (or at least not an insignificant amount of money) to just toss that around casually to learn their lesson.

I have nothing but respect for the job the mods do. My interactions thus far have been beyond professional and it's clear they take their jobs very seriously. This thread isn't meant to diminish them at all. As for having a complaining tone, I would say there have been plenty of constructive comments made so far, and the process of change always starts with an airing of grievances.


In the spirit of offering suggestions, here's one. What if we created a standardized list of terms to be used when reviewing a service. For example "native" writing can be of wildly variable quality. And no one is going to say they offer "low quality" content. Yet there's obviously a difference between stuff that sells for $1/100 words vs $5+/100. By using standardized terminology in the mod review, people have more clarity about what they're really getting.

For regular users submitting reviews, we could create a "reviewer score", much like Amazon has the option to mark a review as helpful or not helpful. Members who leave detailed reviews that match others' experiences would get voted up, and we'd know for sure whose reviews really carry weight (let's be honest, having a high post count doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're talking about).

Just a couple ideas.

 

[MaestroDelWeb]

Given the thread by Apricot a little while back and many of the comments in this thread it sounds like fake reviews are a WAY bigger problem than I realized. Yikes. A "verified buyer" review system would definitely be a big help in that case.

Any word on if this will impact the fee structure of having a Marketplace thread? I wouldn't even be mad if BHW took a percentage of each sale as the cost of keeping everything legit.

I personally don't care for the idea. I do buy programs, services, etc... off of the Marketplace and most of the time I do it without logging in. I also buy these products with a different username than here, just to not associate this username with things outside of this site.

 

[Typlo]

The balance we aim for is one where the buyer gets accurate information on the purchased service and it's up to them to decide if it's suitable for their needs.

That is one of the issues, I don't think could ever be fixed. I'm amazed at how many people make purchases from our website without bothering to read any of the information provided to them. Definitely a lot of "Uninterested newbies who think this is an get-rich-quick scheme won't ever develop the critical thinking to make informed judgements." We had one guy get pissed off at us that his $10 traffic purchase, didn't make him $10,000 on Amazon. Had another client, who we told to stop buying from us, because we knew he couldn't achieve his goals with the services he was purchasing. He disagreed with us, said he can make it work, and kept purchasing. He wasn't complaining, but was throwing money away.

Which could be the drawback of a review system like Amazon on here, it will of course stop fake reviews, but complaints and 1 stars from people who don't understand or don't try to understand what they are buying, could hurt the seller's business unless there is some sort of counter measure for that in place (not sure what though).

I definitely think it is important to make sure sellers have accurate and clear information for the buyers too, at the least, and their services are advertised as others have mentioned.

 

[boseki]

Not sure how much this counts as SEO issue, but whenever I ask a question for a service people always try to "help" me with their own "better" service. Makes it hard to trust people haha :/

 

[BigBuddy]

Enough of posting thread about BST sellers in BHW....Its another one of the thread about BHW SEO BST sellers... (No Offense to OP)

Did you guys ever thought about genuine sellers in BHW...

1. Before complaining about BST design, Tommy's sexy images, Mods Approval system, go learn how and what seo works? I will strongly say, MOZ or any seo journal blogs are not better than BHW black hat and white hat seo section.

2. If someone claims, $$$$ in micro niche site or any sort of sites with minimal seo . cross check with fiverr...if not, you are not fit for IM...

3. SEO service providers in BHW including me are not GOD of SEO, they are experimenting many things, and sticking with what working now and I still belive, they still did nt crack Google Algo and we never will. If someone claims, they cracked google, they will be sipping wine by side with matt cunts..

4. Enough of BS, thinking that you can rank for $3 in Google.

5. Iron Man "Approved" or Spider man " Approved" , we are here to make money like any other guys..Do your due diligence..Dont complain later...

6. No Reports Network - some of the noobs, disavow all the links whatever, when they see warning message in their webmaster tools.. which turns out to be damn for other buyers. So Don't blame sellers...

Before hating BHW Seo services , consider all the points in this thread , before blindly claiming all are shit.


P.S.

I dont agree with the member Not Ste Hughes most of the posts , but some of his posts about BHW BST is really eye opener, which I agree with him. BUT BHW team is working on all the aspects to make the BST system clean and perfect.

I hope there wont be any more threads about BHW BST system as this thread clears that staff of BHW admins are working on the backend to make it transparent now and ever..

 

[Hawkster]

I acknowledge the fact you have a wide spectrum of knowledge and will always be ahead of me in that respect. You know your shit which is very clear to see.

But with all due respect i feel threads like this are important, after all its the users that make this forum what it is, allowing them to vent frustrations and offer suggestions helps the forum to evolve and become better than ever.

I do agree with and understand your points though.

I hope there wont be any more threads about BHW BST system as this thread clears that staff of BHW admins are working on the backend to make it transparent now and ever..

 

[BigBuddy]

I understood your point and this thread Hawster..

Being a regular member, you aware, we saw many threads like this in the past....

My point is, unless members (especially noobs) are not aware about how seo works, this will not be ending point....

Whatever measures we are going to implement, will be ignored by newbies....

But upcomimg new BST Market place system will hopefully differ us from us any other market place in world wide web...

 

[NoobGuru]

The market will speak if a service is good it will become in demand by those who use it intelligently. I know this from personal experience I recently offered a service, a couple actually, and I have some experience that I want to share after reading every post in this thread.

My first experience out of a total of 2 Sales threads I ever posted. I offered a service that received great reviews because I did something that is truly valuable, I offered my very own link formula that helped me achieved great results ranking on google.com. I got so much demand I couldn't handle the amount of clients I received with my limited writers that I had to stop the service because of learning I needed more writers to be able to successfully fulfill the needed demand I was receiving from here. This service was a back linking service that was more white hat than black hat. It included a backlink from examiner and also a Google Press Release written by a university educated writer. This is my very own secret sauce, I can't comment on every service but the turn around time is something I failed at because I didn't know I would get such a huge demand.


Okay as my for my second experience with a sales thread, I was charging too much so I did not receive as near attention as my first serivce.

It really is a learning curve, but you will see threads surviving up to 5 years because they bring value to once again those who know how to utilize the gigs here.

Let me also add in that this thread brings value to those thinking about creating a sales thread here for any service.

I think the OP for starting this thread, I plan on opening a new service very soon and I encourage others to read each post here to learn what you should and shouldn't do. Very educational read.I for one learned a lot.

 

[lightningblitz]

BigBuddy, you are 100% correct that it is the responsibility of 'noobs' to learn the ropes before spending money on SEO.

I would only like to talk about number 6, which I mentioned in my post.

I have seen non - PBN sellers offer no report. I fully understand not offering a report. I dislike the reports that give every link built due to security when dealing with a PBN. But sellers could track SERP, post stats, give a screen shot, or at the very least tell me when the campaign in finished.

More often than not, I chase work down and the seller states "Work has been done for XX days." But my rankings do not move what so ever, nor do I pick up links on any back link tracker, even WMT.

You see a clear difference between some sellers who offer no report for security and the sake of offering a great service, and another minority who offer no report so they do not need to prove they did anything.

Some posters in this thread, yourself included, offer premium services that work. Nothing in guaranteed in SEO and it is an assumed risk of doing business. My general gripe are the minority of sellers who give the biggest promises but give no support, no reports, do not follow deadlines, and lack 'professionalism' in general.

You, Apricot, and the Mod's do an AMAZING job. Let us not kid our selves and not think this is not challenging and reviewing every thread, monitoring disputes over large sums of money and tracking scammers is easy. I hope this thread did not seem as such. This is more of a 'Some of the sellers are bad' and not an attack on the sellers and Mod's who do a fantastic job and do the best they can.

 

[Deleted member 708208]

I have seen non - PBN sellers offer no report. I fully understand not offering a report. I dislike the reports that give every link built due to security when dealing with a PBN.

There's no truth to that considering clients can find out the links themselves. Buyers will always have access and you might as well put a report together for them to make the process easier. Google Webmaster Tools is all they need.

Security comes from blocking SEO tools user agents.

Now that being said legit sellers and new comers would benefit from a cleaner, more transparent system. I love how Apricot is handling the voices of members here. People are tired and this subject keeps coming up which reflects that. It's not just 1-2 people.

The good news is BHW is working on a better system and to this date the marketplace is still the best damn forum for services. We have moderation and security measures in place no other forum or marketplace has. BigBuddy, I know understand peoples frustrations and how things can be improved, but as always its important to understand there are good sellers and our current system is better than a lot of place. I for one am glad people are voicing their concerns (about time) and look forward to changes.

 

[blackhatpc]

When I ask For samples from a BST And another BST Pms me Samples . Also , I Hate when they ask to post " Ordered Transaction ID BlaBlaBlaXXXX "

 

[vikiendu]

just don't know the purpose of giving no report.

Sellers may edit robot.txt to block bots of Ahref, MOZ...But GWT ? if I want to figure out a PBN so badly, I simply use GWT.

the same to guys who claim they have a precious list of sites and say no report. nothing beats GWT.

 

[GoldenGlovez]

When I ask For samples from a BST And another BST Pms me Samples .

Please report the private message if this happens. That is a quick way to lose BST privileges.

 

[gu3sswh0]

Enough of posting thread about BST sellers in BHW....Its another one of the thread about BHW SEO BST sellers... (No Offense to OP)

Did you guys ever thought about genuine sellers in BHW...

1. Before complaining about BST design, Tommy's sexy images, Mods Approval system, go learn how and what seo works? I will strongly say, MOZ or any seo journal blogs are not better than BHW black hat and white hat seo section.

2. If someone claims, $$$$ in micro niche site or any sort of sites with minimal seo . cross check with fiverr...if not, you are not fit for IM...

3. SEO service providers in BHW including me are not GOD of SEO, they are experimenting many things, and sticking with what working now and I still belive, they still did nt crack Google Algo and we never will. If someone claims, they cracked google, they will be sipping wine by side with matt cunts..

4. Enough of BS, thinking that you can rank for $3 in Google.

5. Iron Man "Approved" or Spider man " Approved" , we are here to make money like any other guys..Do your due diligence..Dont complain later...

6. No Reports Network - some of the noobs, disavow all the links whatever, when they see warning message in their webmaster tools.. which turns out to be damn for other buyers. So Don't blame sellers...

Before hating BHW Seo services , consider all the points in this thread , before blindly claiming all are shit.


P.S.

I dont agree with the member Not Ste Hughes most of the posts , but some of his posts about BHW BST is really eye opener, which I agree with him. BUT BHW team is working on all the aspects to make the BST system clean and perfect.

I hope there wont be any more threads about BHW BST system as this thread clears that staff of BHW admins are working on the backend to make it transparent now and ever..

I quit comin around here because things have changed so its not a issue to hide. Do you know how much respect I had for you BigBuddy and still do? Today I see a new service you claim is slap proof and invite only. Really?? Bro youre a hero to some new people like I was back in the day but things have changed.

Are you good at SEO? I think so.....so why the cheap sell trick? Advertise your service tastefully and I will buy it along with other people who tossed so much cash into fiverr reseller services that never worked. All they do is blame our on page? Really? I have spent $$$$$ BigBuddy and yes some services are good. Even your slap proof service is okay i imagine. Sorry the sales gimmicks scare me and even other BHW members cant tell me if its truly 100% slap proof and where to get an invite.

Shameful and sad.............. Invite only and limited spots seems like a man who has SEO he can't grow.

 

[BreaknBrix]

Are you good at SEO? I think so.....so why the cheap sell trick? Advertise your service tastefully and I will buy it along with other people who tossed so much cash into fiverr reseller services that never worked. All they do is blame our on page? Really? I have spent $$$$$ BigBuddy and yes some services are good. Even your slap proof service is okay i imagine. Sorry the sales gimmicks scare me and even other BHW members cant tell me if its truly 100% slap proof and where to get an invite.

Shameful and sad.............. Invite only and limited spots seems like a man who has SEO he can't grow.

What's "shameful and sad" is complimenting someone just to insult them. And what does this mean... "Even your slap proof service is okay I imagine"? You "IMAGINE" it's ok? If you have to imagine something's okay maybe you just stop imagining?

I imagine.... you might not know what you're talking about.

Invite only and limited spots is not cheap, distasteful, and says nothing about BigBuddys ability to "grow" or scale. What I infer from that is:

1) He's trying to build a highly secure PBN. By "invite only". Which is a great idea. One of the best PBN link sellers I knew use to do invite only. By doing so he weeded out all the fucktards and kept his PBN extremely safe and effective. You see it as just a marketing technique. I see it as quality assurance.

2) Limited spots can be a scarcity anchor. Or it could be exactly what it says. AlexThePBNDude is doing limited lists of domains. He spends weeks crawling, he posts the lists, you gotta get in quick or you're SOL cause they go fast. Big Buddy is also doing his clearance sale. Look how many people are posting in that thread right now. Those domains will also go fast. And I like when vendors do this. I know Alex does it cause he's busy as fuck with clients. He posts lists when he can. I'd imagine it's no different with BB. Generally speaking, when you have a million different things going on, when you're successful, you need batch certain things just to manage time.

You're intentionally focused on 1 service while ignoring all the other things he's currently growing and scaling. And really think about what you're saying. You're basically implying that he should open up his PBN and change his entire business model, his time management, ultimately rearrange all his priorities just to satisfy the needs of 1 ignoramus.

As far as "distasteful", I've seen some distasteful shit going on here and it's not BB. Distasteful would be me photoshopping "wikipedia links" over a couple boobies and making that my salespage. Then maybe putting a buy button over the vagina (I should test this lol).

What shames me are just the idiots who open services to abandon them. Which OP already pointed out and it's unbelievable how often this happens. I've clicked on so many threads in the market place with the vendor is gone. Nowhere to be seen. People are asking "is this still open". The threads stay open. It's like the twilight zone. Do a simple search for "site:blackhatworld.com authority domains" you'll see like 70% of the services have been abandoned.

Either way, this is how I see it these days. The more I bitch in my own head about various sellers, the better it's actually becoming for me. Cause I'm realizing more and more that's a HUGE advantage for the guys who want to run a real business on here. I've never had any desire to sell anything on BHW. But the more I learn about PBNs, the more I learn about SEO, the more I learn how the avg seller works on here ..... the more opportunity I see. The more I'm realizing, "why complain? why not just do it yourself and do it better"?

And guess what? 6+ months from now that's exactly what I'll be doing. I'm gonna launch a service that a small % of the members on here desperately need. Geared for local marketers. I'll be doing tons of case studies for local lead gen (not just SEO). It's gonna be expensive. But I want to create the best local marketing platform on BHW. What's really weird, the more I work on this the less I feel the need to complain. Cause I'm trying to do something that's gonna improve this forum. And that trumps bitching any day of the year.

 

[BHW-News]

Closing as I think we're retreading the same subjects. Any new questions, feel free to post these in Forum Suggestions & Feedback.