Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread
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EVERYTHING is running fine. Were there bans? Yes. It happens and we're working on it non-stop changing stuff. I just increased speed even more, so you'll notice a difference since the last couple days.
Don't read my initial post, see that we have a clear risk warning and then come here and complain if something happens to your video. I've made it clear there's a risk, if you can't take the risk, don't buy views period. I don't care what anyone says, but no ones views are 100% safe and if someone labels their views "safe" they are flat out lying to you.
I'm here for the long run, I've been here and I will be here, I don't resell, I don't give up. I will find a way around this ban very soon, I assure you we are doing TONS of things on our side. I apologize that this is happening, but you guys need to stop complaining when it happens, I made it clear there was a risk... I give EVERYONE a full refund if a video is deleted, either PayPal or to your account. So what's the problem? Send an Email/Skype/PM to Clint and let us refund it if it unfortunately happens.
It really irritates me how many people come here and complain about stuff when we are the ones still here and have been. We have had issues with bans, but I made it clear there's a risk and issue a 100% refund if there is one. So, if you know there's a risk, we refund and everything is always running fine, whats there to complain about? I just don't understand it. I'm seriously close to just shutting down this thread. I'm constantly working to prevent it changing things as we've been doing all week after the recent one.
DON'T BUY VIEWS FROM ANYONE IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE RISK.
If there's an issue, you NEED to CONTACT us with the necessary information so we can fix or address your issue, don't complain about something here if you didn't even contact us and make an attempt to have the issue addressed.
I go to great lengths to keep things running smooth and get around the bans, but all the negative people that jump in this thread is getting ridiculous. If this continues, I'm just going to close this thread and raise prices and continue dealing with my loyal clients that understand there's a risk and understand that this is how the YT BUSINESS IS AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.
EVERYTHING is running fine. Were there bans? Yes. It happens and we're working on it non-stop changing stuff. I just increased speed even more, so you'll notice a difference since the last couple days.
Don't read my initial post, see that we have a clear risk warning and then come here and complain if something happens to your video. I've made it clear there's a risk, if you can't take the risk, don't buy views period. I don't care what anyone says, but no ones views are 100% safe and if someone labels their views "safe" they are flat out lying to you.
I'm here for the long run, I've been here and I will be here, I don't resell, I don't give up. I will find a way around this ban very soon, I assure you we are doing TONS of things on our side. I apologize that this is happening, but you guys need to stop complaining when it happens, I made it clear there was a risk... I give EVERYONE a full refund if a video is deleted, either PayPal or to your account. So what's the problem? Send an Email/Skype/PM to Clint and let us refund it if it unfortunately happens.
It really irritates me how many people come here and complain about stuff when we are the ones still here and have been. We have had issues with bans, but I made it clear there's a risk and issue a 100% refund if there is one. So, if you know there's a risk, we refund and everything is always running fine, whats there to complain about? I just don't understand it. I'm seriously close to just shutting down this thread. I'm constantly working to prevent it changing things as we've been doing all week after the recent one.
DON'T BUY VIEWS FROM ANYONE IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE RISK.
If there's an issue, you NEED to CONTACT us with the necessary information so we can fix or address your issue, don't complain about something here if you didn't even contact us and make an attempt to have the issue addressed.
I go to great lengths to keep things running smooth and get around the bans, but all the negative people that jump in this thread is getting ridiculous. If this continues, I'm just going to close this thread and raise prices and continue dealing with my loyal clients that understand there's a risk and understand that this is how the YT BUSINESS IS AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.
Finn
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@Dagreyon:
1. thanks for the refund on all my orders!
2. we hear this kind of statements about "updates" and "safety changes" all the time ... to be honest it really becomes a very old and boring story and no one really beleave this anymore since you STILL use this very bad and unsafe way by generating embedded views.
3. i have to say your "UPDATE TEXT" is more like a childish threat to your customers by saying "if you dont stop complain i will make prices higher and close this thread"
i mean seriously are we growen up people here or is this still kindergarten?
4. Read "AndoG" post it says it all. no one could write it more clear. great statement!
1. thanks for the refund on all my orders!
2. we hear this kind of statements about "updates" and "safety changes" all the time ... to be honest it really becomes a very old and boring story and no one really beleave this anymore since you STILL use this very bad and unsafe way by generating embedded views.
3. i have to say your "UPDATE TEXT" is more like a childish threat to your customers by saying "if you dont stop complain i will make prices higher and close this thread"
i mean seriously are we growen up people here or is this still kindergarten?
4. Read "AndoG" post it says it all. no one could write it more clear. great statement!
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The problem with you is the fact that you always say I will get the bans to stop but yet all the videos that you send views too get deleted. I had all my videos that used your service getting removed all so not 1 not 2 all. And reading this post everyone loses videos form your service on daily bases. Before the videos lasted at least 1-2 weeks now they just get removed on daily bases. So you are doing something wrong and the problem here is you just always say you are changing stuff but you don't change anything.
I have told you many times that if you keep using embedded views the videos will always be removed you need to use WATCH PAGE views embedded views are history at the moment getting 90% view form embedded websites is just no go at the moment and YouTube can pick that up instantly. I have told you months ago that if you don't start using watch page views you never have safe service but yet you just keep saying you are changing stuff but yet you keep your views from embedded websites which is just not the way to go.
There are other sellers on this forums that do use watch page views and no videos are getting removed from those views while your views cause videos to be deleted on daily bases.
I can say that when your service worked well I was using your views and the views helped me rank videos fast but I just don't use your service anymore because you just keep using those damn embedded views which are just not safe.
whose providing good views right now in your opinion?
It's out there... I wont mention any names for obvious reasons.
Clue
I have to give dagreyon props for keeping this thread up and his service up. If I had a nice website like his, all the connections to resellers, there is no way I would deal with people on forums. Just not worth it IMO.
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lietuvis002
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Not sure what's wrong with some ppl vids.
I buy views to 3-4 vids a day by using qqtube and haven't experienced any ban in 1-2 months... Only a few of my legit vids were reuploaded by youtube.
I buy views to 3-4 vids a day by using qqtube and haven't experienced any ban in 1-2 months... Only a few of my legit vids were reuploaded by youtube.
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You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. I've been changing things non-stop since bans have started. We are constantly testing and tweaking, so how are you going to tell me I'm not? I can't help that YT is specifically targeting me, but I assure you 100% that every time there is a ban, there are things changed. YT has WAY more resources than me, they target me specifically and you think its easy to win that battle? It's not. We get past it for a while, then they change the way they check to ban videos again. Don't tell me what I do and do not do.
Stop telling me to use watch page views. People doing that are using proxies to do so, they can control the user. I use 100% real traffic sent to our network of sites. Why YT chooses to target me for this, I've got no idea, but I will find a solution and we are constantly making changes.
@groove123 you are the only one acting childish. You disabled the stats on your instagram and it errored out, nothing dropped off on it or anything and you come in here saying do not recommend etc. Your order errored out because you disabled the stats and it was refunded, so whose fault is that?
My update is not a childish threat, its me being fed up with people constantly complaining when they know there is a risk buying views. If you can't take the risk, don't buy the views. Now people are saying I don't do anything to try to stop it. Do you see the backend stuff? How can anyone say that. I can't help that I'm up against a billion dollar company and they have thousands of developers at their disposal that I'm up against. I do make changes every single time, hence why speed slowed down a bit, we're trying different things. We will get around this eventually and we are constantly making changes to do so.
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Finn
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hello,
i respect your posting and i am also sorry if i said something wrong or may was a bit offensive. well you know on the end we all just want a working service so yeah ... i like you and your project ... its just frustrating sometimes when support is never answering etc.
but yeah man i appreciate your post and totally respect your work. sorry if i may bugged you with one of my postings. wish you good day and progress on the solutions to generate safe views again.
and about the instagram order you were right i had wrong private option set on my profile. i am really sorry for that.
i respect your posting and i am also sorry if i said something wrong or may was a bit offensive. well you know on the end we all just want a working service so yeah ... i like you and your project ... its just frustrating sometimes when support is never answering etc.
but yeah man i appreciate your post and totally respect your work. sorry if i may bugged you with one of my postings. wish you good day and progress on the solutions to generate safe views again.
and about the instagram order you were right i had wrong private option set on my profile. i am really sorry for that.
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avenger1987
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Bought 100k YT views about 6 June - so it's a month ago. No views added. 70$ thrown away. I e-mailed them couple times and always answer was "we are working on it".
videouploader
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hi mate,
i just bought your service dint read any review before, please read PM, also wait proper communication.
thanks
i just bought your service dint read any review before, please read PM, also wait proper communication.
thanks
videouploader
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mate you are online right now i need response about my work status otherwise i will to get work done by some where i don't have time for wait.
It's probably because you are the largest view seller on the market. That's why you should deliver views using another method to your bulk resellers (youtubebulk invite only style)
and a second method for the public market (which youtube will keep on pwning for a while, though hopefully you solve it).Another idea is maybe a large scale removal on random youtube videos, piss off enough people until youtube starts removing views instead of deleting videos. I would be willing to help finance such a thing if you could pull it off on a large enough scale.
@ Dagreyon For me the important part is to get views that don't get videos removed and don't get views removed. And since people who use proxies as you say and sell views form YouTube watch page that are safe and won't get videos banned I am in.
The mots important thing for anyone here who buys views is that the videos don't get deleted and that the views are safe. And you can say that your views are form real people but since your views get videos deleted than your views are just bad and that's it. I don't care if it's real or it is proxy as long as the views are safe I am ok with it.
So for you to keep selling your embedded views that get every video deleted or removed by YouTube instead of switching to watch page views it's your problem but it's not the right way to go.
People need safe views and you can't offer that because as I said before selling 90% embedded views on 1 video will alert YouTube in to deleting those videos that's just the way it is at the moment. You tube is no targeting you YouTube is targeting sellers who sell cheap EMBEDDED views with high retention. So I can assure you that you can never be safe if you keep selling 90% embedded views you need to combine it at least with some YouTube watch page views if you don't and keep selling this embedded views you won't last long.
The mots important thing for anyone here who buys views is that the videos don't get deleted and that the views are safe. And you can say that your views are form real people but since your views get videos deleted than your views are just bad and that's it. I don't care if it's real or it is proxy as long as the views are safe I am ok with it.
So for you to keep selling your embedded views that get every video deleted or removed by YouTube instead of switching to watch page views it's your problem but it's not the right way to go.
People need safe views and you can't offer that because as I said before selling 90% embedded views on 1 video will alert YouTube in to deleting those videos that's just the way it is at the moment. You tube is no targeting you YouTube is targeting sellers who sell cheap EMBEDDED views with high retention. So I can assure you that you can never be safe if you keep selling 90% embedded views you need to combine it at least with some YouTube watch page views if you don't and keep selling this embedded views you won't last long.
I feel as if the bottom line of this whole ordeal, beyond all of the concerns posed in this discussion is that at the end of the day Youtube has a very strict policy against purchasing views of ANY kind and because of this there will never be a 100% safe product for customers to buy. I have explained this many times in the support tickets and conversations I have had with the community and I am fairly certain the majority of the community understands and accepts this as a fact.
For what we are doing, and for what our customers are buying, we provide a high quality service with a dedicated team and an established reputation. This is what we do to provide a minimal risk environment to more than just the videos, but more so for our customers. We are constantly updating our system to maintain this status and will continue to do so WITHOUT putting our customers at unnecessary risk for the sake of a currently undetected system.
For what we are doing, and for what our customers are buying, we provide a high quality service with a dedicated team and an established reputation. This is what we do to provide a minimal risk environment to more than just the videos, but more so for our customers. We are constantly updating our system to maintain this status and will continue to do so WITHOUT putting our customers at unnecessary risk for the sake of a currently undetected system.
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lol, you can't be serious. We would never reply with we're working on it. Anyone here can vouch that we deliver the views. If you didn't get the views, then your video errored out for one of many possible reasons. Please email/PM/Skype Clint with the link and we will tell you exactly why it wasn't running or what the issue is. You either have the wrong thread or your are mistaking something because we don't leave people hanging, ever.
I will consider separating regular users from resellers, not a horrible idea.It's probably because you are the largest view seller on the market. That's why you should deliver views using another method to your bulk resellers (youtubebulk invite only style)
Another idea is maybe a large scale removal on random youtube videos, piss off enough people until youtube starts removing views instead of deleting videos. I would be willing to help finance such a thing if you could pull it off on a large enough scale.
As for getting videos removed, I've definitely pondered it, but it's not my style. I'm not trying to start a war with YT, I'm not trying to be malicious, I'm simply trying to deliver real embedded views to videos without bans. I don't think me intentionally getting random peoples videos removed would get me any closer to that goal and either way I just am not interested in doing so. Unfortunately there are people out there who I've heard of using bad scripts to send views to videos and intentionally getting videos deleted. One guy who claimed to have taken down 20,000 videos, just because. Which is exactly why I think its completely reckless for YT to delete a video, rather than just delete the views they counted in the first place.
Do you work for YouTube? If not, where are you getting this information? How can you be sure it's the fact the views are embedded that's causing the issue? You seem to know how I do things and how YT does things, yet you don't know me, nor do you know how YT does things, I assume. With that said, everything you say is speculation, nothing is factual. Kind of like you claiming we don't update our stuff when we constantly do. As if I'm trying to get my clients videos banned, as if we aren't working non-stop to try to prevent it.
We use real traffic, meaning we can't do watch page views. I've told you this literally 5 times yet you seem to never listen. They can do watch page with proxies because they control the user, you can't send a real viewer to a YouTube video and have it count, it doesn't work that way. I don't expect you to understand it as it's complicated, but take my word for it and move on, because watch page is out of the question for real traffic. HOWEVER, we're already building a watch page system for those of you who want those views. Its going to take a bit, but if that's what YT wants, thats what they get.
I know for a fact they are not just banning because the views are embedded views. There are hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of views delivered from embedded videos every single day, so that is no gauge for them to ban videos, or they would be taking our legit videos too. Any big website could take a video with 0 views and it could get views, so then what, they would ban that video? No. That's not what is happening, but I don't know exactly what is and that's why we're constantly testing and tweaking and then don't have issues for a couple months and then it comes back. Its a cat and mouse game that we are playing, but it will take some time for things to be 100% perfect the way they want it.
You sure do like to speculate and assume a lot with no facts or proof to back your claims up. If you don't purchase my views, stay out of my thread. Your assumptions are way off and illogical, for you to think that we don't try to make changes to prevent bans and for you to now say that just because its embedded views is what causes the bans...
Watch Page here we come.
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Finn
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