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Deposited 20$ and used about 10$ on a few videos, bought views + likes

Out of all the accounts used, only 1 account survived. After asking for a refund according to the sellers

*Satisfaction guarantee, money back with no questions asked* This was the seller response:


[01/05/2014 21:39:16] Daniel: All the accounts that got the views got banned
[01/05/2014 21:39:22] Daniel: Just 1 account/video survived
[01/05/2014 21:39:26] Daniel: (For now)
[01/05/2014 21:41:07] Daniel: Therefor I'm asking for a refund
[01/05/2014 21:41:28] Daniel: According to your guarantee
[01/05/2014 21:41:30] Daniel: "100% Satisfaction Guarantee

When we say ?100% Satisfaction Guarantee?, we mean it! It?s not just there for decoration; you are guaranteed to be 100% satisfied or your money back, plain and simple no questions asked. We strive to provide a service that is unlike any other and out performs every competitor. Period. If we fail to provide that in any way, shape, or form, please contact us and we?ll refund your entire purchase."
[12:40:14] Daniel: Please take care of the refund
[15:41:14] Social Presence Network Support: Accounts don't get deleted for views
[15:41:31] Social Presence Network Support: Videos get deleted for views sometimes, not accounts
[15:41:49] Social Presence Network Support: We do not offer a refund if your accounts have issues and get reoved
[15:42:20] Social Presence Network Support: We only refund what wasn't delivered, which you can find in your panel to refund it
[17:35:43] Daniel: Lol that's simply not true
[17:36:08] Daniel: And if that's your refund policy you should have made it clear
[17:36:13] Daniel: On your website
[17:36:36] Daniel: It says 100% satisfaction guaranteed money back with no questions asked
[17:37:02] Daniel: How does that fit with what you are telling me?
[17:38:29] Daniel: Instead of trying to keep unsatisfied customer money I would suggest you fix your software and try to win the customers back
[17:38:51] Social Presence Network Support: Ummmm
[17:38:53] Social Presence Network Support: Are you serious?
[17:39:03] Social Presence Network Support: So you think I deliver a service and then give money out for free when you have issues?
[17:39:07] Social Presence Network Support: YOUR ACCOUNT got banned
[17:39:12] Social Presence Network Support: That's YOUR fault
[17:39:13] Social Presence Network Support: Not ours
[17:39:23] Social Presence Network Support: We delivered the service
[17:39:31] Social Presence Network Support: Anything that was not delivered can and will be refunded
[17:39:38] Daniel: You have a satisfaction guarantee on your website
[17:39:44] Social Presence Network Support: Anything that was delivered and then lost is completely your fault
[17:39:47] Social Presence Network Support: LMFAO
[17:39:50] Daniel: Money back with no questions asked
[17:39:52] Social Presence Network Support: WTF does that have to do with anything?
[17:39:56] Social Presence Network Support: WE FUCKING DELIVERED THE SERVICE
[17:40:03] Social Presence Network Support: There is no logic to your thought process
[17:40:07] Social Presence Network Support: We deliver the service
[17:40:12] Social Presence Network Support: You do something to get the account banned
[17:40:21] Social Presence Network Support: It's not our fault, has nothing to do with us, then you want the money back?
[17:40:47] Social Presence Network Support: That's like you going out and buying a TV, you get home and it falls off a table and breaks, then you go back to the store and say, hey I dropped this TV, it broke, I want my money back
[17:40:49] Social Presence Network Support: Use your head
[17:40:52] Social Presence Network Support: Makes no sense
[17:40:53] Daniel: Lol. You have no idea how to run a business it seems or a sense of how to preserve your customers or your reputation
[17:41:05] Social Presence Network Support: I know exactly how to run a business
[17:41:12] Social Presence Network Support: I've been in business for 4+ years
[17:41:14] Daniel: Doesnt aeem like it
[17:41:15] Social Presence Network Support: And I do very well
[17:41:19] Daniel: Seem
[17:41:30] Social Presence Network Support: You're just an idiot if you think you can get what you purchased, fuck something up then get a refund
[17:41:32] Social Presence Network Support: Who does that?
[17:41:39] Social Presence Network Support: Use your head
[17:41:54] Daniel: Lol. I didnt fuck anything up
[17:42:00] Daniel: Your service did
[17:42:01] Social Presence Network Support: Your account got banned, didn't it?
[17:42:01] Social Presence Network Support: Boom
[17:42:13] Social Presence Network Support: You're trying to accuse me of getting your account banned?
[17:42:26] Daniel: Why the hell would you attack me like that? It makes no sense
[17:42:29] Social Presence Network Support: I've been doing this for 4 years. I think I would know. Accounts do not get banned for our services.
[17:42:37] Social Presence Network Support: Because you are an IDIOT
[17:42:39] Daniel: They do
[17:42:42] Daniel: Lol
[17:42:49] Social Presence Network Support: You're trying to tell me that you deserve a refund for YOUR account getting banned
[17:42:52] Social Presence Network Support: No they do not
[17:42:57] Social Presence Network Support: I would know, believe me
[17:43:02] Social Presence Network Support: If that's the case, login to the account email
[17:43:10] Social Presence Network Support: Show me the email they sent you of why your account was deleted
[17:43:13] Social Presence Network Support: I'd love to see this
[17:43:19] Social Presence Network Support: Prove that they closed it for our views then
[17:43:33] Daniel: I will just force a refund through paypal and make this conversation public
[17:43:35] Social Presence Network Support: I know for a fact they do not delete/close/ban accounts for views
[17:43:43] Social Presence Network Support: Go for it you fucking idiot
[17:43:48] Daniel: I will
[17:43:52] Social Presence Network Support: And PP does not refund VIRTUAL GOODS
[17:43:57] Social Presence Network Support: Prove it, or you're wrong
[17:43:59] Social Presence Network Support: You know you are
[17:44:08] Social Presence Network Support: You know you did something that got your account banned and now you're mad
[17:44:13] Social Presence Network Support: How is that my fault? How is that my problem?
[17:44:17] Daniel: Dont worry about it
[17:44:18] Social Presence Network Support: Use your fucking head kid
[17:44:20] Daniel: Have a nice day
[17:44:25] Social Presence Network Support: I won't worry about it, believe me

Notice that I only used 10$ out of the 20$ deposited, he didn't refund even 1$ and ignored me on Skype

Do not order from this guy unless you want to ban one of your competitors videos and don't deposit more then you can afford to lose.
 
Actually he is normal dude, some times overreacting but steel responsible. like i've told before, he refunds small and large amounts always
 
Actually he is normal dude, some times overreacting but steel responsible. like i've told before, he refunds small and large amounts always

A normal dude? that doesn't keep his own service guarantees and when called on it by his customer goes crazy and uses offensive language?
 
Ive had like 50 vids removed over the past two months and my account hasnt been banned or suspended. So dont believe that guy above.

But the system seems to be getting worse or youtube is get better. My videos use to last like 1 - 2 weeks. now they last 2 - 5 days. Maybe you should reverse some of the changes to the system and see if the deletions happen less often.
 
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Ive had like 50 vids removed over the past two months and my account hasnt been banned or suspended. So dont believe that guy above
Read a few posts up, accounts and videos are getting deleted. I'm not the only one that complained

Also, did you read the Skype conversation? Who treats his customers like that? You need to be masochistic to order from this guy.
 
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Read a few posts up, accounts and videos are getting deleted. I'm not the only one that complained

Also, did you read the Skype conversation? Who treats his customers like that? You need to be masochistic to order from this guy.

I do agree that he didnt handle that conversation very business professional but are you positive you didnt do anything else to get your account banned? like spamming comments/likes/subs ect, also having fake accounts linked to your ip address with your real account couldve gotten it banned also.
 
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Deposited 20$ and used about 10$ on a few videos, bought views + likes

Out of all the accounts used, only 1 account survived. After asking for a refund according to the sellers

*Satisfaction guarantee, money back with no questions asked* This was the seller response:




Notice that I only used 10$ out of the 20$ deposited, he didn't refund even 1$ and ignored me on Skype

Do not order from this guy unless you want to ban one of your competitors videos and don't deposit more then you can afford to lose.
Mind showing us screenshots from from the email youtube sent you after banning your account? Not taking any sides here i'm very open minded but I have to say i've been using and selling views for years and i've never had any of my accounts banned or come across a client who have had their accounts banned due to youtube views.
 
Purchased 1000 US/Retention views on 10 separate video...Only 1000 views...and every single video was banned.

Awful. Wouldn't even bother with a refund either. Why I would I want more of my videos banned?

stay away just a heads up.
Why would you buy if you can't accept the risk? I clearly say there is one.

Deposited 20$ and used about 10$ on a few videos, bought views + likes

Out of all the accounts used, only 1 account survived. After asking for a refund according to the sellers

*Satisfaction guarantee, money back with no questions asked* This was the seller response:




Notice that I only used 10$ out of the 20$ deposited, he didn't refund even 1$ and ignored me on Skype

Do not order from this guy unless you want to ban one of your competitors videos and don't deposit more then you can afford to lose.
Look what you said. Your ACCOUNTS were banned, had nothing to do with our views and then you expected a refund, simply because it was banned? That's not 100% satisfaction. We delivered the service, you had issue with YOUR accounts. Nothing to do with us, we held up our end. You spelled it out clearly and said how it was your fault, who in their right mind thinks that 100% satisfaction then means I'll refund you for your issues with your account after the service was delivered?

I asked you to show me the email where you were banned for views, you failed to do so and you continued to argue and request a refund, when YOUR ACCOUNT got banned, not for views, not for anything we did. Ridiculous.

Yeah its a f*ckin joke. Don't blame your inability to deliver on someone else.

Be a man.
Inabilitiy to deliver? I deliver just fine. Did you even read what this guy said? HIS ACCOUNT WAS BANNED, it has and had nothing to do with us and we had already delivered the service in full. Unreal.

I GIVE A CLEAR DISCLAIMER SAYING THERE IS A RISK!! How much more clear can I be? When there is an issue and we are at fault, I issue a full refund, no questions asked. This guy is not entitled to a refund because his account(s) got suspended for whatever reason. Ask anyone, I've never denied a valid refund request NEVER.

A normal dude? that doesn't keep his own service guarantees and when called on it by his customer goes crazy and uses offensive language?
Last I checked, I never once gave my Skype as support, BECAUSE ITS NOT FOR SUPPORT. I have a person who works 7 days a week and does support through our site, feel free to use that if you want someone to be nice to you. But when you come at me blaming us for getting your accounts removed, when that doesn't happen and saying how you deserve a refund because of our 100% satisfaction after we delivered the service and you did something to get your account banned, I'm going to freak out and use offensive language. That's how I am, that's how I talk and my Skype is not for support for this service, I have a ticket system and a support person to handle all of that.


Ive had like 50 vids removed over the past two months and my account hasnt been banned or suspended. So dont believe that guy above.

But the system seems to be getting worse or youtube is get better. My videos use to last like 1 - 2 weeks. now they last 2 - 5 days. Maybe you should reverse some of the changes to the system and see if the deletions happen less often.
Exactly my point and THANK YOU for pointing that out. These people drive me insane, blaming me and not listening and thinking they are entitled to a refund for their own issues with their accounts, when it's not our fault ALL THE TIME. When it is, I issue a refund with no issues.

As for reversing things, it's not about what we do or how we do it, YT is just more persistent with bans now. I'm going to have to just remove the refund offer for people with videos removed, since I then get people who think they can have an issue with their account then run for a refund, when it's not ALWAYS our fault.

So, soon I'm going to lower prices again and offer no refund and let people go ape shit and then hopefully YT will chill out. We use real traffic, coming from real people, through real domains. We don't spoof, we don't use proxies, none of that stuff, yet they target us. So, since they are doing that, I'm just going to let them have it their way and let people use the system cheap and how they please. I've had enough of this, I tried to be nice and offer a full refund if there were issues, but there's just so many people who complain still, as if I don't give clear warnings, as if I don't offer a refund when it's due, as if I try to get peoples videos removed. It's just insane...

Read a few posts up, accounts and videos are getting deleted. I'm not the only one that complained

Also, did you read the Skype conversation? Who treats his customers like that? You need to be masochistic to order from this guy.
Did you read it? You blame me for YOUR ACCOUNT getting banned. It's your fault and your problem. You wouldn't listen, so I freaked out on you. I don't have time to argue about dumb stuff with people when it's not our issue and we delivered, so I just blocked you. You can post all you want in here, but you clearly said it was your account that got banned and VIEWS do not get accounts banned, they get videos banned. Therefore, your refund request was denied and you continued to argue with me. If you can't take someone being blunt, then email support, that's what I pay him for, I tell it like it is.

Others above who had accounts banned, were not from our views. Others who have videos banned were from views and were offered a refund. There's a big difference between the two and that's clearly what you don't understand.

I am STIIL waiting for you to show us the email you got from YT on why your account was banned. Since you want to add transparency to what happened here, please do show us the reason they banned you, I'm waiting. Until then, your claims are denied and will be and you are wrong about what you claim here.

Mind showing us screenshots from from the email youtube sent you after banning your account? Not taking any sides here i'm very open minded but I have to say i've been using and selling views for years and i've never had any of my accounts banned or come across a client who have had their accounts banned due to youtube views.
Exactly what enraged me and thanks for the insight! He continued to use the whole 100% satisfaction thing, when we delivered the service and he had issues with his account and that's why it was banned. I've test so many things, dealt with so many clients and I've never had or seen an account removed for views. He won't show proof because he can't, because it didn't happen. Which is exactly why I was pissed and handled it how I did.


UPDATE:
Since people can't read the terms and since people who do have videos or accounts removed for non-view related issues want to pass blame onto us and get a refund, I'm going to lower prices yet again and be done with refunds soon (not effective yet, not on this thread, once I start a new one, unless this all changes). I've had enough of people who can't read and people who want to complain and try to get a refund when it's their fault an account or video got removed.

I should have done this a long time ago, but I thought I would be nice and issue refunds if there were view issues. Now it looks like I just need to sell a cheap service and give no refunds. I'm about to just stop with trying to pin point and stop the banning.


NOTE:
Not everyone has issues. < 10% of our overall videos are removed. Unfortunately we just get reviews on people who have issues, which I expect and understand, I just want everyone to know it's not an issue for everyone.
 
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Exactly what enraged me and thanks for the insight! He continued to use the whole 100% satisfaction thing, when we delivered the service and he had issues with his account and that's why it was banned. I've test so many things, dealt with so many clients and I've never had or seen an account removed for views. He won't show proof because he can't, because it didn't happen. Which is exactly why I was pissed and handled it how I did.


Nonsense, you were "enraged" the moment I asked for a refund, look at the Skype conversation log,
I said nothing to deserve such flaming from your side.

Also, what about the 10$ I haven't used? Why didn't you offer to refund them?
There were so many intelligent ways to deal with my complaint / refund request.

And just so you know, I wouldn't even post the Skype conversation if you just said NO to the refund request
but your unprovoked disgusting attitude forced me to do it.

If this is how you run a business after 4 years, you still have a lot to learn it seems.
 
Nonsense, you were "enraged" the moment I asked for a refund, look at the Skype conversation log,
I said nothing to deserve such flaming from your side.

Also, what about the 10$ I haven't used? Why didn't you offer to refund them?
There were so many intelligent ways to deal with my complaint / refund request.

And just so you know, I wouldn't even post the Skype conversation if you just said NO to the refund request
but your unprovoked disgusting attitude forced me to do it.

If this is how you run a business after 4 years, you still have a lot to learn it seems.
I was not enraged from the beginning, I was fine, I was being clear, you continued reiterate about the 100% satisfaction thing, when it was completely irrelevant for your situation. After you continued to not listen and say this, is when I became irate and was using profanity.

When did you say anything about having $10 in your account in our conversation? How could I offer a refund if I didn't know who you were? If I didn't know you had remaining funds? I don't read minds... You're right, there were tons of intelligent ways to handle the refund, you chose to be illogical and continue to reiterate when I was very clear that the 100% satisfaction did not apply to you and your account being banned for reasons outside of our service, after the service purchased was delivered in full.

Your attitude isn't much better. You asked to get a response like you did. Again, my Skype is not for support, I hired someone months ago to do tickets and live chat, it's there for a reason. You took it to Skype, trying to say the same thing over and over again and not listening, so I told you it how it is, in a not so nice way. I'm blunt, that's just how I talk and handle things when someone doesn't listen or is being illogical, in this case, you were doing both.

Do not question me or how I run my business, if you don't like it, be gone, I won't miss you. You're so upset because you messed up and your accounts got banned and you just complaining for no logical reason. SHOW PROOF, otherwise you were just threatening me and being illogical on Skype, in which case the responses were well deserved. Don't question how I run my business or threaten to start a PP dispute because of your mistake.

I'm still waiting to see the email YT sent you saying why the account were banned. I'm waiting and everyone else deserves to see it too. If you do not prove this, then I'll just request all of your posts be removed, because they're illogical and invalid. You make a claim, I call BS, I call you out, now prove it and stop trying to argue. I'd be glad to refund the $10 in your account, but I will not refund what was delivered in full and is not the cause of your accounts getting banned.

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This user/buyer had started a PayPal dispute, which will not allow me to give a partial refund on the $10 he now brings up. This was never requested before and this because a scam if this dispute stays open, given the service was offered and the buyer then starts a PP dispute, due to their account issues. Show proof it was banned from our services, or I will be shitlisting you. You sure talk a lot, but you're not showing any proof.

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Just looked at the dispute you started on PP and pulled up your account. You have $8.90 remaining, which I can not refund, due to your dispute and me not offering you a full $20 refund, because the other 11.10 is not owed, due to you having account issues.

I checked every single video which shows:
[h=1]This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.[/h]
Which views do not cause an account to be suspended.

I was then able to find one of your videos, which directs people to a weebly.com site where people can download stuff. And you blame me for your accounts getting banned? So ridiculous. So, please do show us the proof, until then your argument and previous claims are invalid, illogical and I will request that they are removed.
 
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1) I opened a support ticket requesting a refund a few days ago....NO RESPONSE. 2)So, it's just a coincidence that the majority of the people on this thread as of late have had their videos banned, and the people who love your service are hiding in secret somewhere?
You're basing that on a ratio for 5 videos. There's people with no issues. Also, what I say doesn't imply anything, you're just interpreting it in a different way. I am very clear that we can not guarantee it's 100% safe and we offer a refund if there is an issue. Well, that would be a lie. I have very clear stats and I can tell you there's no where close to 50% of videos banned, it's way less than that. Just because you have issues, does not mean everyone does. Some people have no bans, some people have a lot. The people who have a lot are generally in the black hat niche. Either way, I've never said or implied views are safe, I've been very clear they are not, but I assure you that there is 10% or less videos overall deleted, you just only here about the people who have issues. I'm constantly work to protect the system and my clients, so I will eventually get this resolved. Each ban, we learn something new and we've been very aggressive recently in making big changes to prevent bans from ever happening again. Our 3 sunday have held up so far, it's just a waiting game now to see what happens.
 
Seem a lot of complain here.... I had TOS rejected too, but Dagreyon already give me the refund, And I Made another video again with new account, then i order the views, like, comment, subs again from Dagreyon... and if It rejected again, I will try again, again and again, and I believe dagreyon is always find a way to improve this system... May be UT now getting smart, so Dagreyon must be smarter .... Hope got a good news from you dagreyon....
 
Just notice how many people complain about your service, one after the other. Coincidence?
And even IF what you say is true, how do you know a video ban can't lead to an account ban? Mr Expert

My argument and "claims" are very logical, nothing you say here will change that
Also the "Star of the show" is our Skype conversation everything else is just a bonus.

You are so full of yourself and unable to take any criticism, you remind me of failed restaurant owners from Kitchen Nightmares (TV Show)
Just notice how much time we are both wasting on this thread for $11.10. Did it really have to come to this?

EDIT:
Regarding the PayPal dispute, do you know of a way to dispute a transaction but only for half the amount? that's right you don't
 
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I wont comment who may be in the wrong here because I dont see evidence, BUT .. WTF you pay 70 cents for 1000 views and you are shocked your video gets banned, or your accounts? serious?
A very old saying is, you get what you paid for .. you have no doubt found the service on a Black Hat site and you are in shock.
for F sakes, wake up..
 
I wont comment who may be in the wrong here because I dont see evidence, BUT .. WTF you pay 70 cents for 1000 views and you are shocked your video gets banned, or your accounts? serious?
A very old saying is, you get what you paid for .. you have no doubt found the service on a Black Hat site and you are in shock.
for F sakes, wake up..

That's just one problem, he has a *satisfaction guarantee money back with no questions asked*
But when I clearly wasn't satisfied with his service he refused to refund my money and to top that off he started personally attacking me
for no good reason. (Read the Skype conversation)
 
I read it all, however the point remains you are buying extremely cheap views and expecting more than anyone should be able to offer.
Personally I think the two of you attacked each other.

BUT AGAIN .. 70 cent per 1000 views bought off of a black hat site, for fuck sakes if you didnt know there was a major risk then you were stupid.

That's just one problem, he has a *satisfaction guarantee money back with no questions asked*
But when I clearly wasn't satisfied with his service he refused to refund my money and to top that off he started personally attacking me
for no good reason. (Read the Skype conversation)
 
When you buy a product you expect the seller to respect the refund policy stated on his website.

In this case: *satisfaction guarantee money back with no questions asked*

I read it all, however the point remains you are buying extremely cheap views and expecting more than anyone should be able to offer.
Personally I think the two of you attacked each other.

BUT AGAIN .. 70 cent per 1000 views bought off of a black hat site, for fuck sakes if you didnt know there was a major risk then you were stupid.
 
When you buy a product you expect the seller to respect the refund policy stated on his website.

In this case: *satisfaction guarantee money back with no questions asked*
Do you ever stop about this? Satisfaction guaranteed applies, yes; the refund policy applies, yes. You were DENIED the refund because YOU had YOUR account banned for something unrelated to OUR services. I have to use caps because you obviously are not reading what I'm saying above.

I respect the refund policy stated on my website, you just aren't eligible for a refund, when we delivered and you then have issues that are not our fault. Completely illogical thought process...

How do I know our services don't get accounts banned? Because I have test accounts with hundreds of videos, I have hundreds of clients and not once have I ever had or heard of an account getting banned for our services. Is it a coincidence that people are having VIDEOS REMOVED (NOT ACCOUNTS)? No. It is happening, I'm not hiding it, I'm not denying it, I'm simply saying that in your case, you are not entitled to a refund for your account getting banned for reasons outside of our service. Sure, it's only $11.10 but it's not about the money, it's the principal.

I love how you continuously use this satisfaction guaranteed thing. For 1 you started the dispute before informing me what your account email was, who you were, that you had funds remaining in your account and that you requested it be refunded. You then in turn start a dispute, to try to get your money back. I will fight this dispute as long as it's open, because I can not give a partial refund and more than half of the $20 payment was used, delivered in full, then you had issues. Plain and simple, this was your fault, is your fault, you handled it HORRIBLY and you now continue to post here, yet all I ask is proof. Show us proof the account was removed for our services. Prove me wrong. Prove your point. YT emails every account owner when the account is banned, so stop talking and give proof.

I don't deny anyone a refund who deserves it, every single person can vouch for me on that, you simply do not deserve one and will not get one. You continue to waste your time posting in here, yet you can't show the proof... Ridiculous. Close the PP dispute and I can issue a partial refund of $8.90 that is left in your account, otherwise if the PP dispute stays open, I will fight it, given more than half the payment was done and delivered rightfully.

I am blown away you're still using this 100% satisfaction thing. Are you in denial? YOU GOT THE ACCOUNT BANNED, NOT US! THAT DOES NOT DESERVE A REFUND, WE DELIVERED AND IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IT GOT BANNED!
 
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I Was going to check if you have fixed ur shit but seems like its just getting worst more ppl complaining and u keep blaming ur customers why not just close it until everything is fixed instead of getting bad reputation are you really so money hungry ?
 
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