Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread
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BZEnterpise
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- Feb 12, 2013
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Just placed my order, I'll report back here once I get my first report(after the 1st month is complete, I believe) and let everyone know if there are any results yet.
PS- Matt was awesome with answering all of my questions and even though our emails had some problems going through for a little while, all was sorted and he is very easy to work with. If you have any concerns, definitely email him and it will be dealt with promptly.
PS- Matt was awesome with answering all of my questions and even though our emails had some problems going through for a little while, all was sorted and he is very easy to work with. If you have any concerns, definitely email him and it will be dealt with promptly.
- Jan 25, 2009
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Ill pm you, but you can mail me at
service (at} mattborden {dot] com
and give me the email address that you used to pay and Ill check the status. I know we are behind on some orders, but Ill give you more definite info.
Thanks for the good words mate and thanks for the order!
Added you on skype but no luck. Pm me. i am interested in reselling your service. Looks pretty solid. Would not mind testing it out and if it shows promise...would absolutely love to take it for a full swing
Ill pm you. Im swamped on skype and sometimes I miss someone, sorry about that. Pm or mail is quicker as I don't always have dedicated time to skype at the same time someone else is on etc...
Sounds good, we will work it out.
Yes. I think you already got ordered, but we are backed up. Sorry for the delay, I know I told you we were full and then we sorted that, but I replied you on pm earlier today.
I think I already sorted this with you, but if not mail me and Ill work on it.
I think we got it sorted, but if not let me know.
I think I already talked to you and forgot to reply here, let me know if not.
Yeah, we can do a 1 month duration.
Yes we offer bulk discounts. We can talk about it in private.
Yes the service would still give power to the site, but only up to a point. If you order 100 gear A packages to 100 different urls on the same domain you would wind up with diminishing returns. Probably 4 to 5 orders per domain in a given 3 months would be tops. At the end of the 3 months we would have refreshed our database of sites to work with so there would be more unique domains so you would order again etc...
I can evaluate your site and give you good ideas on what its going to take to rank it, but giving times would be professional guesses as google changes every day.
We can talk about press release submission approval. Its not something Ive done but Im sure we can come to some sort of arrangement. Depending on how it worked out though, like if you did not approve or just took a long time approving or wanted changes, whatever, it could slow the whole process down respectively.
- Jan 25, 2009
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I got the 2nd one, but the first one just errors out, every time with 2 different inet connections. Ill pm you.
I've used this service on my site for the months of August and September, and I absolutely cannot recommend this service on any level.
To be more technical, I've communicated with Matt several times where he finally directed me to the Seo provider that actually carries out this service, called Vieseo. From that point forward I spoke with an individual named Jamie Corrigan who convinced me to go with one of one of their more expensive subscription packages, which mirrors this Torque Toise package exactly, with additional types of links including high PR links included as well.
1. Concerning the work itself. You get a lot of volume with these packages. You also get very low quality. The articles are all software spun, and although human readable, the article that was spun and utilized in my campaign had very little contextual relevance to my website. Some of the linked images in the articles were completely random and had absolutely nothing to do with my niche. Although there is a lot of volume in the packages, the first report I received for the first month, only about half to 60% of the promised link quantities were delivered. Many of the tier 2 wiki links were also no longer working upon checking them.
Ultimately, however, results were all I cared about and the package delivered in the first month. My rankings for my targeted keywords rose dramatically, and I was very satisfied with the results produced.
Month #2 the provider promised to deliver improved quality of the spun content. Shortly during the month 2 campaign, Penguin 2.1 was released and my rankings tanked off the face of the earth. Turns out Penguin 2.1 targets highly spammy links with very little trust value (majesticseo flow metric), which is precisely the kind of links provided by this service. So given the current state of the Google algorithm, I would stay away from this service unless you're dealing with a real churn and burn type of site and are only looking for shortterm results.
2. Concerning communication. Very poor response times. I hardly emailed, but when I did, it took 4-5 days or longer to receive a response from Vieseo. It's been nearly 4 weeks since I was supposed to receive my report for month 2, and communication from Vieseo has ceased completely. He is no longer responding to my emails or requests, so I can only assume that month's 2 work is far from complete, and they have essentially swindled me out of my 2nd months fees. Thinking on this predicament however, it might be a good thing considering that additional links from this service would only serve to damage my rankings further.
So as of now, there appears to be little to no hope of recovering my site after using this service, which I accept as my own responsibility as I chose to use this purely blackhat package knowing the risks involved. What I cannot accept however, is the poor communication, and abandonment of duties and obligations that came with my payment to them. I would advise to stay away from this service provider.
To be more technical, I've communicated with Matt several times where he finally directed me to the Seo provider that actually carries out this service, called Vieseo. From that point forward I spoke with an individual named Jamie Corrigan who convinced me to go with one of one of their more expensive subscription packages, which mirrors this Torque Toise package exactly, with additional types of links including high PR links included as well.
1. Concerning the work itself. You get a lot of volume with these packages. You also get very low quality. The articles are all software spun, and although human readable, the article that was spun and utilized in my campaign had very little contextual relevance to my website. Some of the linked images in the articles were completely random and had absolutely nothing to do with my niche. Although there is a lot of volume in the packages, the first report I received for the first month, only about half to 60% of the promised link quantities were delivered. Many of the tier 2 wiki links were also no longer working upon checking them.
Ultimately, however, results were all I cared about and the package delivered in the first month. My rankings for my targeted keywords rose dramatically, and I was very satisfied with the results produced.
Month #2 the provider promised to deliver improved quality of the spun content. Shortly during the month 2 campaign, Penguin 2.1 was released and my rankings tanked off the face of the earth. Turns out Penguin 2.1 targets highly spammy links with very little trust value (majesticseo flow metric), which is precisely the kind of links provided by this service. So given the current state of the Google algorithm, I would stay away from this service unless you're dealing with a real churn and burn type of site and are only looking for shortterm results.
2. Concerning communication. Very poor response times. I hardly emailed, but when I did, it took 4-5 days or longer to receive a response from Vieseo. It's been nearly 4 weeks since I was supposed to receive my report for month 2, and communication from Vieseo has ceased completely. He is no longer responding to my emails or requests, so I can only assume that month's 2 work is far from complete, and they have essentially swindled me out of my 2nd months fees. Thinking on this predicament however, it might be a good thing considering that additional links from this service would only serve to damage my rankings further.
So as of now, there appears to be little to no hope of recovering my site after using this service, which I accept as my own responsibility as I chose to use this purely blackhat package knowing the risks involved. What I cannot accept however, is the poor communication, and abandonment of duties and obligations that came with my payment to them. I would advise to stay away from this service provider.
Sophomoric
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- Aug 4, 2011
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I'm sorry to hear that you've been so unhappy with our service. We've had some communication delays over the last two weeks simply because our office at vieseo has been struck by illnesses. No excuse and for this we apologise. We simply weren't prepared for the consecutive flu's which have plagued our workforce. Your outstanding link report will be with you shortly.
Your rankings did improve significantly in the first month as you correctly stated, however following the Penguin 2.1 update your site was penalised. It is important to clarify that only a small percentage of our BHW and corporate customers suffered under Penguin 2.1 and that our private affiliate network also escaped unscathed. Given that your site was presented to us with previous SEO work done, it would only seem logical that this previous work rather than our own is responsible for your loss of rank.
Again, we are sincerely sorry for the delay and your link report will be with you shortly.
Sophomoric
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- Aug 4, 2011
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Duplicate post error. Sorry about that.
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Pardon my bluntness, but this appears to be just an attempt at damage control. You're responding to my complaint on a public forum, yet up till this very moment as I'm writing this, I have yet to receive ANY direct email response or an attempt to contact from anyone at Vieseo concerning what is going on. The last email received from Jamie was 10/26, and a report was promised to be delivered on 10/28. I probably would be less upset about the matter if you made an attempt to reach me directly instead of just trying to do damage control on your end.
And to further exemplify upon the facts, I did indeed have (very aged) seo work done on my site, and the quantity of backlinks reported on majestic was always under 2000 total backlinks. I was hit with an algorithmic penalty back in May when penguin 2.0 was released. I had let my drop in rankings stagnate until August, which was when I found your torque toise service on this forum. After being convinced to subscribe to your "corporate" service package, which began on August of this year, it had taken my backlink count to over 7000 backlinks to this date as reported per Majestic. And I enjoyed a momentary boost in rankings in September which I was very happy with. Once penguin 2.1 was released in October 4 however, my rankings tanked once again and have ceased to recover.
Is it possible that my previous SEO work prior to this service played a role in my current algorithmic penalty? Yes, it's possible. But it is completely illogical to assume that it was solely my previous SEO work that is the cause of my current algorithmic penalty. Also, the fact is that no one else in this thread has provided their own feedback or review, whether positive or negative to corroborate or refute the effectiveness of your services post-penguin 2.1.
But, like I stated, I fully understand the risks involved when dealing with blackhat, and it is what it is. If one were to ask for my honest opinion however, given the fact that we know Penguin 2.1 is basically an update to improve spam detection, and also looking at my Majestic metrics chart and seeing the graph leaning heavily towards citation flow over trust flow which is the result of all the links that you have provided, I would presume that it is your seo work that has tanked my site. But at the end of the day, anything I say or you say is all just conjecture, and the fact is that all my seo work in the past has been blackhat, and I accept the situation I'm in right now with my site.
And to be clear on the issue, since I at least know that you are actually reading this thread. 1 - I will not be continuing to use your services. 2 - If you still have not completed all the linkbuilding per the corporate package that I subscribed to, please cease work immediately. 3 - Yes I still want my report for any work that has been completed.
illfounded21
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- Dec 19, 2011
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A well-written, intelligent and logical reply. Sad to see your site getting hit.
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