anything immoral or illegal about black hat?

[superman]

For something to be immoral it must be based on biblical terms or legal terms...

No God never said cloaking was a sin so therefore it is NOT immoral .
And there is no Law against cloaking either .

Today people lack knownledge on what is immoral .I find it strange
how many (and I don't mean you the_punisher )
might thing cloaking is immoral or illegal but adultery or porn is ok ???

We live is a very evil world ,where people know not the truth or cannot choose between truth and lies . Evil and God .Reason is they no not the truth or who is God ..

 

[caretaker2007]

A thumper.

I beleive your POV is skewed off too far to one side superman. Compared to White Hat SEO Black Hat does cheat the White Hat SEOers in fair ratings. Does this jibe well with it being moral? If this cheating is okay, which amounts to the greed of the seven deadly sins, with you than where do you draw your line with the others?

Being to literal is a dangerous thing, plus, it really screws with Jesus comparing man to wheat, unless the literalists think He was talking about wheat and not man. Or, if you are trying to go both ways, which makes it look really bad since your arguements would invalidate themselves.

Okay, enough religoin for today, it always causes fights, just ask Ted.

 

[goldengod420]

Someone once told me that the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and several other wealthy POWER families made their money during prohibition ... by rum running.

Well... the people you talk to aren't very smart... Rockefeller made his money in oil. He owned Standard Oil which was broken up in 1911 to 34 seperate companies which still exist today. Among them... Mobil, Chevron, and Amaco. He also was a huge supporter of banning alcohol. I know this is off point, but I just thought I should tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you are told.

 

[Uptownbulker]

Ah, yes but Fat Teddy's Daddy was indeed and in fact a bootlegger:

hxxp://www.ytedk.com/jpk.htm

 

[gts6]

I know this is off point, but I just thought I should tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you are told.

but if he shouldnt believe everything he's told, then how do you expect him to believe what your telling him, LOL

im just kidding around, i really have no clue as to whether its true or not

 

[Mark_Rain]

The point of the thread is if any black hat techniques are immoral or not.

Sincerely Yours,
Markus

 

[superman]

caretaker2007 if you really believe what you say then what are you in this Blackhat forum for.

Blackhat is just a system it does make white hat better or more righteous
then us.

Blackhat is a term coined by someone because they coined the term doesn't
mean it wrong....

We could turn that around white hats always try to undo what blackhat do...

Again realize even doing seo is wrong .Also is many linking thing the so called
white hats do.Many many white hat are in fact sinning against their God google !!!

I wear no hat because it messes up my hair !!!

 

[niche1]

At the end of the day, it is a term given to a set of tools and or techniques that one employs to get an edge over the rest of the competition.

In reality, the terms "black hat" "white hat" and so on are just romanticized words that really don't bother anyone who is in business and in it to succeed.

It all sounds like so cool and all to be labeled something, but in the end, unless you are really doing something illegal (which is not what blackhat is about, anyway), you have nothing to worry about.

You WILL probably lose at least one site and that brings us to the term "banning" or "banned"...........all it means is that you have been deindexed from a particular Search Engine and in that case, it is time to pick another domain name, put up a new site on another server (if the whole IP has been banned) and rinse and repeat.

I really don't care what the "rules" are..........as far as SE's go. I am not trying to even things up, I want to dominate whatever area I am trying to compete in.

I remember when I first started building sites, I had all of the same questions.....so, it is cool to ask them.

Use tools/techniques that you feel comfortable with. Remember, that no matter the color of the hat, even Lilly-White websites can and are banned (useless word, really) and that is just the way that it goes.

Hope this helps.

 

[caretaker2007]

I never said I was moral. I was pointing out a view I see as truthful. Others won't see things as I do, and I won't try changing their minds as it is not my place.

 

[cashsalute]

Only if the cookie you're stuffing is a Girl Scout!

haha damn you cold my man

 

[cashsalute]

HAHAAHAHAHAHA morals and legality surely don't go hand in hand nowadays.

do whatever you want, but have the balls to stick by it, cause when it comes down to it, your standing on your own here brah.

 

[niche1]

I made a nice post about this....but it looks like it was deleted?

Not sure why, but I had nothing in it that should have been censored, at all.

Admin, can you tell me why it was deleted?

I will try again.

The terms Blackhat and Whitehat are just terms that someone came up with. There is nothing illegal with using Blackhat, unless you doing something that is fraudulent.

Banning and being banned only means that your site was de-indexed. If this happens, just buy a new domain and slap up a new site. Rinse and repeat.

Use the methods that you feel comfortable with.

Gray, Black of White......use it as long as it works.

 

[Riposte]

Someone once told me that the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and several other wealthy POWER families made their money during prohibition ... by rum running.

They did do that, and a lot more shady stuff as well. Joe Kennedy was basically a lying thief by running stock trading scams, insider trading, etc.

 

[cashsalute]

They did do that, and a lot more shady stuff as well. Joe Kennedy was basically a lying thief by running stock trading scams, insider trading, etc.

Dude... its a shitload worse then that...

 

[the_punisher]

wow so many replies.

did my 'lil story not convince anyone? it convinced me

at the end of the day there are no blackhatters and whitehatters , only experts and newbies

oh and niche1, your post was not deleted it just has to be checked by the mods before it is posted, I enjoyed your post and added you rep for that.


P.S. IMO Being a mod on this forum must really Suck, this is the first forum I have seen where every post has to be approved by the mods. Is the admin paying the mods ??

 

[idenguy]

Black hat, white hat... they seem subjective. It is a tag assigned. Kinda of like an arguement.. I'm right... you are wrong. I believe it was Dr. Phil whom I had most recently heard say "It isn't who is right or who is wrong... it is about what is effective or is not effective."

This discussion also brings to mind two pieces of advice my step father had told me.
"Don't ever do anything you would be afraid to admit.!" and "An educated man is someone who can be successful without violating the rights of others." Not that either are particularly relevant here, but they came to mind none the less.

I think that manipulating the system is simply using observations of its mechanics to your advantage is what the "BIG DOGS did to get there" The title of hero or villain depends on who is victorious or who is telling the story.

 

[cashsalute]

Yea, its not even about experts and amateurs, its about whose pocketing the most cash and thats all. The rest of it is IMO's and we all know everyone whose got those got a asshole to go with it.

 

[superman]

They did do that, and a lot more shady stuff as well. Joe Kennedy was basically a lying thief by running stock trading scams, insider trading, etc.

Yes JKF was no angel either ,but people call him a great President?
White hatters are hypocrites .... It's like the whole Mike Vicki thing.
He kills some dogs and gets jail time and out of football ...

I know murders who get less punishment ... It's dogs for God's sake .
Yet the same animal lovers will say abortion is ok ???

If ones wrong both are wrong ...

Screwed up world ....

 

[cashsalute]

Yes JKF was no angel either ,but people call him a great President?
White hatters are hypocrites .... It's like the whole Mike Vicki thing.
He kills some dogs and gets jail time and out of football ...

I know murders who get less punishment ... It's dogs for God's sake .
Yet the same animal lovers will say abortion is ok ???

If ones wrong both are wrong ...

Screwed up world ....

your a moron haha thats why you got like 1000 jacked right out your pocket.

 

[niche1]

Thanks for the rep! I see where the post did make it in....I forgot that they have to be moderated, first.

Interesting debate with many different ideas......

I tend to take the Bruce Lee Method "Whatever works" and use that.

It is business and we must keep that in mind.

We are in it to make money and if our products help other people then that is cool as well.

Everybody wins in the end (except our competition) and that is as how it should be.