BlueTurtle
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Hahahaha. Thief! I wondered where my sign went.
clickbank shaving?
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Hahahaha. Thief! I wondered where my sign went.
dustinwalker
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i heard that it may not nessisarily be clickbank, but possibly internet explorer with the privacy settings and stuff
OTrap
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SMDH ...
Guys, Clickbank is not shaving. The risk is not worth the reward. Yes, they have a lot of affiliates, but not that many are making anything substantial (ie worth shaving). Those that ARE making enough are too valuable to Clickbank. Clickbank has a good thing going, and it, flat out, doesn't need to shave.
It actually has a business model that is so profitable that shaving would be a waste of time. Don't ask me how I know.
Guys, Clickbank is not shaving. The risk is not worth the reward. Yes, they have a lot of affiliates, but not that many are making anything substantial (ie worth shaving). Those that ARE making enough are too valuable to Clickbank. Clickbank has a good thing going, and it, flat out, doesn't need to shave.
It actually has a business model that is so profitable that shaving would be a waste of time. Don't ask me how I know.
bmatthews
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You only shave or scrub or whatever nasty word if there is a risk of making a loss on your investments.... besides that, it would be extremely fool hardy to deny your most valuable assets, i.e. your affiliates or vendors for that matter, their earnings.
I'm sorry guys but when companies grow to a certain size, reputation becomes fragile and the last thing you want to do, is destroy your own reputation.
Conclusion: Clickbank is not a pay per lead company, so clickbank does not and will never shave.
There is a far simpler and more probable theories to the question of poor sales... one being that they might have had issues tracking sales on the day, and the other being that the quality of your traffic or issues to do with your website itself or advert or whatever caused the lack of sales. Simple.
I'm sorry guys but when companies grow to a certain size, reputation becomes fragile and the last thing you want to do, is destroy your own reputation.
Conclusion: Clickbank is not a pay per lead company, so clickbank does not and will never shave.
There is a far simpler and more probable theories to the question of poor sales... one being that they might have had issues tracking sales on the day, and the other being that the quality of your traffic or issues to do with your website itself or advert or whatever caused the lack of sales. Simple.
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OTrap
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LOL!
Right, man. They need to shave to help their bottom line.
It isn't like they have, say ... I dunno ... access to MILLIONS of BUYER LEADS or anything right?
Stats for a lot of people suck right now because this is PERENNIALLY a bad time for IM. During tax time, wallets are always pretty tight. It's not shaving (not sure why a rev-share company the size of CB would ever do that).
hypefrenzy
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ever hear of the employee that loses their consistent $xx,xxx salary (and possibly goes to prison) over stealing $xxx or $x,xxx? that is one stupid person making a stupid mistake
now imagine how much clickbank legitimately makes. why the fuck would they risk losing the massive amount of profit they make by shaving? i don't believe they would be stupid enough to risk it
my theory: people love conspiracy theories :spy:
now imagine how much clickbank legitimately makes. why the fuck would they risk losing the massive amount of profit they make by shaving? i don't believe they would be stupid enough to risk it
my theory: people love conspiracy theories :spy:
daniel27lt
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they make to much to shave
I don't think they're shaving either (at the most scrubbing based on fraudulent cc data), but something does appear to be amiss.
I've done quite a few test transactions clickbank wasn't privy to ahead of time and the sales always shown up.
That being said though, there are some peculiarities I've seen with EPC over a solid set of data. I've also seen quite a few anecdotal stories about conversion rates completely dive-bombing on one aff id and then bouncing back when they swapped it out with a new account. Not talking sales volume mind you, which of course fluctuates wildly on cb products - I'm talking epc.
I have also done clickthroughs to the order page and seen my affiliate id not show. From my recollection those offers seemed to be poorly maintained or had other technical issues so when I brought those to clickbank's attention they either didn't respond or did and said it was the affiliate's responsibility to do their own due diligence.
Not much I can test on the latter instance since I don't promote those products which aren't obviously recording my id. but I can check the aff id swap theory - I'll run an experiment on that this week with a few campaigns that used to be winners and see what happens.
If I end up with sales results similar, what then would be the cause? Dunno - is is possible for a merchant to cookie stuff their own page and only do so for select affiliate ids? Seems complicated and risky/stupid, but some of these offers aren't the most stand-up products anyway.
Anyone else with more of a technical background have an idea of what could cause (anecdotal evidence) of swapping out cb affiliate ids to restore conversion rates?
I've done quite a few test transactions clickbank wasn't privy to ahead of time and the sales always shown up.
That being said though, there are some peculiarities I've seen with EPC over a solid set of data. I've also seen quite a few anecdotal stories about conversion rates completely dive-bombing on one aff id and then bouncing back when they swapped it out with a new account. Not talking sales volume mind you, which of course fluctuates wildly on cb products - I'm talking epc.
I have also done clickthroughs to the order page and seen my affiliate id not show. From my recollection those offers seemed to be poorly maintained or had other technical issues so when I brought those to clickbank's attention they either didn't respond or did and said it was the affiliate's responsibility to do their own due diligence.
Not much I can test on the latter instance since I don't promote those products which aren't obviously recording my id. but I can check the aff id swap theory - I'll run an experiment on that this week with a few campaigns that used to be winners and see what happens.
If I end up with sales results similar, what then would be the cause? Dunno - is is possible for a merchant to cookie stuff their own page and only do so for select affiliate ids? Seems complicated and risky/stupid, but some of these offers aren't the most stand-up products anyway.
Anyone else with more of a technical background have an idea of what could cause (anecdotal evidence) of swapping out cb affiliate ids to restore conversion rates?
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We should email Jesse Ventura from Conspiracy Theory and tell him to investigate this. LMAO
OTrap
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There have indeed been vendors that have cookie stuffed their own offers on a rotator, or even flat out. It's laughably simple, but it can't be discussed here.
As for why sales might bomb on one account, but bounce right back on another, I believe Clickbank has toyed with putting in a "reject" function for someone who buys through the same person too many times IF that buyer has a history of refunding or charging back. Think of it like an affiliate-specific customer blacklist.
I know it was never rolled out as a general practice, but I do know it was tested, and they might still be.
My advice, of course, is to try just that. Use a new account and see what changes. Not like you're only allowed to have one account.
johnhunter
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They don't shave but I think they have an overzealous fraud prevention system in place that may stop payments being processed for a period of time until manually reviewed
Stops people purchasing with multiple fraudulant cards etc.
Stops people purchasing with multiple fraudulant cards etc.
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I think they have bugs in their tracking system time to time.
There is a pattern of my sales. 3-4 sales then no sales for 7-10 days. Again the same.
There is a pattern of my sales. 3-4 sales then no sales for 7-10 days. Again the same.
Are you still the same problem?
littlejohn4231
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Adware. That's what will be shaving you. Not Clickbank.
mancar487
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We've actually been doing a sort of this approach since we started in 2012: for several of our products, we offer free consultations (e.g with a nutritionist) to every purchasing customer. When a customer then emails us for consults, we ask them for their order ID to verify the sale. In 5 years, and hundreds of thousands of sales, we have never had a SINGLE sale that was not accounted for, or that an affiliate was not credited for. This is why I can say for certain that Clickbank does not shave.
On the other hand, as I have said in previous threads, shady vendors CAN shave you. Check the below thread on how to steer clear of these:
The Types of Clickbank Sites That You Should NOT Promote
Mancar