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The Types of Clickbank Sites That You Should NOT Promote

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by mancar487, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. mancar487

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    In one of my previous threads, I had discussed how beginners should go about choosing products to promote on Clickbank (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...hoose-cb-products-newbies-5-minute-guide.html ). In this one, I'd like to highlight the types of clickbank sites that NOBODY should promote. Now don't get me wrong, most clickbank vendors are honest and there are MANY products on CB that are goldmines. However, there are a few 'bad apples' that you should avoid at all costs:

    1. Clickbank products that have (external) ads on their sales page. The only buttons that should be present on a sales page are the 'buy/order' buttons, period. Yet, I still see sales pages (mostly by inexperienced vendors) that contain adsense or amazon ads. This is pretty much implying that the vendor does not believe he/she can generate a good income by selling their product, so why you should you invest time and money promoting it? In addition, having ads on the sales page will cause visitor leakage. Vendors who do this have absolutely no clue on how to be vendors.

    2. Products with buy buttons that do not go to the clickbank order page. I've seen a handful of products that will have buy buttons that go to the clickbank order page (as should be), but in addition, they will have a button or a buy link that does not go to the clickbank order page (it goes through another payment processor). This is a way of cheating affiliates, so make sure you check that all buy buttons on the sales page go to the clickbank order page.

    3. Products that exaggerate their promises, especially financial promises. I?m talking about products that promise you'll have 7 figures appearing in your account a few weeks after purchasing the product (make money quick schemes). Promises like these will lead to high refund rates (most MMO products have refund rates over 20% in fact). If you do decide to promote these products, make sure you factor in the refunds when calculating returns (especially if you are using paid traffic).

    4. Unresponsive vendors. Before starting to promote a product, ALWAYS contact the vendor (ask for a review copy, or ask a question about the product, or just introduce yourself). If you get no reply within 48hours do NOT promote the product. It usually indicates that the vendor is not really serious about their product, or that they are not confident about it. It also usually indicates bad customer support, which in turn will mean high refund rates.

    In addition to these 4 types of clickbank products that you should avoid promoting, there are two more types that you need to be CAREFUL about:

    5. Sales pages that collect emails. A good number of sales pages on clickbank collect email addresses through opt ins, and later send follow-ups to the visitors. Some will send them naked links to the product, i.e. www.product.com (this is OK as you will still get the commission [assuming yours was the last hoplink they clicked]) but some vendors will over-ride your hop by sending the links in the emails as hoplinks (using their own affiliate account). The only way to know for sure what the vendor is doing, is to subscribe through their opt in, and check the emails you receive yourself.

    6. Vendors that require approval to promote. In theory, this is a very good thing, as vendors can screen affiliates and blacklist those that spam or use other methods that go against clickbank TOS. However, vendors can use this mechanism to cheat affiliates, as they may whitelist you first, and then blacklist you when sales start to come in. This means that visitors will still go to the vendor's site when they click on your hoplink, but you will not get the commission. Admittedly, I only know of one vendor (profit edge) who did this on a large scale (and they happened to own a lot of products), but it is still a point you should keep in mind when promoting vendors that need to whitelist you first.

    Good luck,
    Mancar
     
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  2. mojacho

    mojacho Junior Member

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    Thanks for your time for this tutorials and will bookmarks this link on my laptop. Will try this method when I am free :)
     
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    I spend just as much time on my affiliate page as I do on my product.....

    I want my affiliates to make tons of money, and I will do everything in my power to make that happen
    so it sickens me that some vendors find in necessary to cheat these
    hard working affiliates.

    Good List BTW
     
  4. simply

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    Excellent , Thanks a lot for these tips Mancar. For sure it will help me and others.
    Just have a question, LongTailPro also require "Approval"; do you have any comment on this. I'm gonna promote them.

    Thanks again for the help
     
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    moonshine7000 Senior Member

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    Thanks OP for the info,I will bookmark this.
     
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    Good points ;) nice thread .
     
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    Hi Mancar, thanks for this.

    Just want to know if you know the exact science/method/setup behind clickbank/bing success?

    I know some guys on Facebook who are crushing it on Bing/CB but they are asking 5K for the info, so they won't spill the beans to me. I don't reckon they are scammers either.
     
  8. cheng09

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    Mancar, thanks for highlighting the various tactics used by vendors to cheat affiliates.
     
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    Thanks mate for the good advice. Definitely some very valid points you made. In regards to point six is Profit Edge the company which owns products like Hair Loss Protocol, Weight Destroyer, Pound Melter? They blocked my links a while ago which was really bad because their products were converting nicely. Do you have an advice which other big supplier works as well as Proift Edge? Thanks in advance!
     
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    I've been guilty of not doing #4.
    Great post!
     
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    As I said, it's only profit edge that used the whitelist method to cheat affiliates. What I recommend is that if you are promoting a product that requires a whitelist, you should regularly check that your hoplinks are working fine. If you find that you have suddenly been blacklisted, switch to another product and name and shame that vendor!

    There's no science or secret behind IM success other than being persistent and dedicated. Tip: people who get the best results are those that put their own unique "twist" on a method that works. For example, everyone knows that bing -> landing page -> sales page works, but the people who'll smash it are those that think of a twist on this , eg the way they target, the way they capture leads on the landing page, etc...

    Also, I highly recommend staying away from high competition products and focusing on laser-targeted, low competition products instead (generally those in the 5-25 gravity range). These are key to long term income with minimum maintenance work required.

    Yep those are all profit edge products! Stick to reputable vendors...

    Mancar
     
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    i know some of these 'bad vendors' (#2, #4, #5) from my past experiences promoting their stuff. i wonder why CB didn't ban their hoplink?
     
  13. mootonandy

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    Thanks Mancar, but now the question is, what should a good LP consist of?
     
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    1. Shady health offers from ProfitEdge
    2. Shady health offers from ProfitEdge
    3. Shady health offers from ProfitEdge
     
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    I found several vendors are great in customer service even they are low gravity product in CB. They are really helpful, reply my emails and give some advice also. I would stick to this typically vendors.
     
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    Killer tips about the types of products and vendors to avoid doing business with. By using these ideas one can avoid common pitfalls many affiliates experience. Thanks for illustrating some of the dishonest practices vendors might employ as well as general best ways to keep profits as high as possible.
     
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    cheers mate nice tut
     
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    thanks for the info helps alot, just to make this clear on the checkout page the domain is CB.net and not CB.com am i right?
     
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    I will add that there are some caveats to these points...

    The MMO point is a good one, these products do have high refund rates, but they won't necessarily be 20%. Expect a refund rate between 8-20%. When promoting a product like this, it is best to promote it to a list that you have control over so you can do FOLLOW-UP marketing. Don't just promote an offer, and then forget about it. For the MMO product I promote, I'll do a hard-sell and then I spend 1 whole week sending follow-up emails related to the product of me "using" it, so that the customer feels supported during the critical refund period (of about a week). This will drastically reduce refunds.

    For the product I'm the manager of, I am only answering emails 4 days a week. We are one of Clickbank's biggest vendors, we definitely take this seriously. If you contacted us during the period of time I'm out of the office having, you know, my life, and you assumed we weren't serious, you'd be the one missing out - not us. If you don't make us a few hundred dollars a month, we'll survive. I'm sure that few hundred dollars means a lot more to you though. If a vendor is large - has high gravity, has been around a long time, don't take the email thing to be a perfect indicator. We also get a lot of tire kickers who will never make any money for us at all, which can bloat email workload.

    Finally, if a vendor is requiring you to have approval to promote their product, well, I see nothing wrong with this. I'm assuming you personally know the vendor and are promoting an exclusive offer. I've seen this done for high-ticket offers (which I've promoted). I suspect a lot of you guys out there don't get to know the vendors you promote. IF you're actually making money, that is a big mistake. Vendors can do a LOT for you. Once you have a stream of leads/traffic, the best thing you can do is network and learn from other affiliate marketers, which include your vendors. Reach out to them. I personally know the people I promote so I don't have any fear of them shaving or whatever.

    I mean Mancar saw this happen so clearly this sort of cheating must definitely happen, but I've never seen it in my niche.

    This is one of the benefits of promoting a high-gravity product. If a product has high-gravity, the creators behind it almost certainly aren't fly-bye-nighters. To have that sort of gravity, it requires a lot of networking and connections. Which means that if the creators ran off into the night, they'd have some high-profile people pissed at them.
     
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  20. mancar487

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    I agree with your points Windmill. As as I said in point 6. I only know one vendor who did this but he/she did happen to own a lot of high gravity (100+) products on CB (eg diabetes protocol, ED protocol, hair loss protocol, diabetes destroyed, pound melter, family self defense, memory healer, HSV eraser, and a bunch of others), so there's a good number of affiliates pissed off about this.

    Hence why I said it's a good idea for affiliates who are promoting whitelist products to periodically check their hoplinks.
    Other than that, there's nothing wrong with vendors screening their affiliates.

    Mancar
     
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