KFC cuts chicken beaks!

[jazzc]

I do not know all the ins and outs, but I know enough to see that there is an ethical issue in the killing of animals.

Obviously nature disagrees with your morals, because that 's exactly how evolution of the species progressed in the last few million years on this planet. Species killing other species for food.

Taking it a bit further, it can be said that your position is highly immoral for 2 reasons

• You are advocating a non-natural way of life.
• There is not enough agricultural production to sustain 6 billion people effectively. So, pushing your agenda means either that you are ok with humans dying of famine or that you don't care enough to consider the consequences of such an agenda. If on the other hand, you are suggesting this practice only for a subset of "enlightened" people, you are an elitist, which again is immoral.

Furthermore, morality is subjective, thus non-scientific. It is just personal choice that is silly to be generalized and taken out-of-context as a mantra for sheep to follow.

 

[Roparadise]

Why is it ok for a lion to kill an animal and eat it,but its wrong for a human to kill an animal and eat it?

 

[shaddelick]

Obviously nature disagrees with your morals, because that 's exactly how evolution of the species progressed in the last few million years on this planet. Species killing other species for food.

Taking it a bit further, it can be said that your position is highly immoral for 2 reasons

• You are advocating a non-natural way of life.
• There is not enough agricultural production to sustain 6 billion people effectively. So, pushing your agenda means either that you are ok with humans dying of famine or that you don't care enough to consider the consequences of such an agenda. If on the other hand, you are suggesting this practice only for a subset of "enlightened" people, you are an elitist, which again is immoral.

Furthermore, morality is subjective, thus non-scientific. It is just personal choice that is silly to be generalized and taken out-of-context as a mantra for sheep to follow.

There is nothing unnatural about what i said. There are many species that do not eat meat. There are some species that there diet revolve around only 5 or 6 different fruit.

I am saying yes there is enough agricultural production that can freed the over 6 billions of people on the earth if those resources we not used to feed the animals that we raise to feed our meat addiction.

There is nothing immoral about making a choice with the good of others in mind

 

[shaddelick]

Why is it ok for a lion to kill an animal and eat it,but its wrong for a human to kill an animal and eat it?

I am basically saying that its wrong cus we should know better then a lion and have the capacity to make other choices

 

[Ayomav]

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[Tensegrity]

Survival of the fittest, and trying to dominate and rule the world is not an higher way of thinking.

I disagree.

Yes a bear might very well eat a human if it were hungry. But bears dont have as many choices as us humans do. More over , dont know bout you, but i would expect humans to think less like an animal would and be more civilized then a bear.

You can't really reason with a wild animal, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. It's kill or be killed in the wild. When you are confronted by a wild animal who is scared or hungry, they are out for blood so if you think that being civilized is going to somehow save you, then you are dead wrong (emphasis on the 'dead').

People are starving in all over the world and the major part is that so many of the earths resources are going to feed all these animals that are being raised in meat farms. The very food that are going towards the animals that are being bread could have gone to the starving people around the world

Do you know what chickens eat? They eat other chickens. Yes, chicken feed is very often a combination of extraneous chicken parts (usually bone) and grain ground down. So, yea we could eat the chicken feed but it doesn't taste good as eating the whole chicken itself.

There's nothing you or anyone is ever going to say that is going to convince me that animals are somehow "better than humans" or that we are on the same level. That is some outlandish thinking. Humans dominate the world because, at the core of reality, there is no point to life, only to survive and try to find happiness out of it. Humans are happier not being dominated by animals, and what's more is that meat tastes good so we eat it.

What's more is that animals eat other animals all the time, so all this nonsense about it being wrong or unnatural or bad for the world is way off-base and is actually a waste of time when you think about it because you are never going to convince the hundreds of millions of meat eaters to stop eating meat just because you feel bad for the cute furry animals (who want to eat you).

 

[shaddelick]

I disagree.



You can't really reason with a wild animal, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. It's kill or be killed in the wild. When you are confronted by a wild animal who is scared or hungry, they are out for blood so if you think that being civilized is going to somehow save you, then you are dead wrong (emphasis on the 'dead').



Do you know what chickens eat? They eat other chickens. Yes, chicken feed is very often a combination of extraneous chicken parts (usually bone) and grain ground down. So, yea we could eat the chicken feed but it doesn't taste good as eating the whole chicken itself.

There's nothing you or anyone is ever going to say that is going to convince me that animals are somehow "better than humans" or that we are on the same level. That is some outlandish thinking. Humans dominate the world because, at the core of reality, there is no point to life, only to survive and try to find happiness out of it. Humans are happier not being dominated by animals, and what's more is that meat tastes good so we eat it.

What's more is that animals eat other animals all the time, so all this nonsense about it being wrong or unnatural or bad for the world is way off-base and is actually a waste of time when you think about it because you are never going to convince the hundreds of millions of meat eaters to stop eating meat just because you feel bad for the cute furry animals (who want to eat you).

They might add chicken in there feed yes, but its miniscule compared to the amount of corn or other grain.

Animals eat other animals all the time, yes. Animals also rape other animals all the time, and even do cannibalistic things at times... doesnt mean its right, and doesnt mean we have an excuse to do these things.

No one is saying that animals are better then humans, i am saying that we have a higher intellectual capacity when animals dont, therefore we have the responsibility to analyze certain situations to see if its ethical or not.

It doesnt take much to understand how its wrong. If you were a chicken, would you want someone to cut the beak off you and your family/friends or and kill you and your family/friends? I think thats all you have to look at to see the big picture.

 

[jazzc]

There is nothing unnatural about what i said. There are many species that do not eat meat. There are some species that there diet revolve around only 5 or 6 different fruit.

Your argument is illogical and trivial to refute. Some species eat blood (mosquitoes). Are you suggesting we should abolish meat for a Vampire oriented diet? Btw, do you kill mosquitoes? :dunce:

There is nothing immoral about making a choice with the good of others in mind

Of course there is when it 's not your decision to take. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

To clarify the above, I am not opposing your right to chose what you eat, I couldn't care less. I am opposing your stance of trying to take the high moral ground and trying to force your personal ethics (which are totally subjective) to others by virtue of sin.

 

[Tensegrity]

@shaddelick

But I'm not a chicken.

Why are you trying to put us on the same level as chickens? They're stupid animals that serve no purpose other than being food for other animals, including but not limited to humans.

So what is so unethical about eating meat? Nobody has ever given a solid argument for that. Just because you feel bad for animals doesn't mean everyone else does. You don't have to eat the meat, but trying to convince others to stop eating meat is like trying to make the world spin backwards.

 

[jazzc]

If you were a chicken, would you want someone to cut the beak off you and your family/friends or and kill you and your family/friends? I think thats all you have to look at to see the big picture.

If a dinosaur came and ate me, I would clearly be upset about it. The dinosaur wouldn't give a shit, because he has to eat. That 's the big picture - it 's been there for a million years - hard to miss.

 

[shaddelick]

Yes my argument is very logical. If you wouldnt like something being done to you, why do it to others.

And as i said before, animals do eat other animals, and yes they even feed off blood like mosquito, but they have no choice. Us humans have a choice and we do know better.

Its not a problem to ask you to put yourself in the shoes of another being that has the same emotions and feelings as you do. Its wrong to think that because you feel superior to another sentient being that you can enslave them or kill them. Humans are putting animals through a period similar to the Nazi Holocaust except its 20 times wurst and its lasting 20 times. To those farm animals we are the nazi's and they are the victims

And no i dont kill any bugs unless they are biting me lol. If they are not biting me i take a cup and put them outside if they are inside my house

 

[Roparadise]

If a dinosaur came and ate me, I would clearly be upset about it. The dinosaur wouldn't give a shit, because he has to eat. That 's the big picture - it 's been there for a million years - hard to miss.

But dinosaurs have died like millions of years before humans came around.

 

[jazzc]

But dinosaurs have died like millions of years before humans came around.

You mean to tell me that I shouldn't set up dinsaurscomebackanddestroytheearth2012.com ?

 

[Tensegrity]

Yes my argument is very logical. If you wouldnt like something being done to you, why do it to others.

So you equate animals with humans? Cuz if you don't, then why are you applying human ethics to animals?

 

[Roparadise]

You mean to tell me that I shouldn't set up dinsaurscomebackanddestroytheearth2012.com ?

There can really be a domain that long? lol

 

[shaddelick]

So you equate animals with humans? Cuz if you don't, then why are you applying human ethics to animals?

I am not applying human ethics to animals, i was answering a question. I am applying human ethics to human actions asking if it really ads up. If its right to or wrong based on our own ethics

 

[jazzc]

Yes my argument is very logical.

Logic has a strict definition of rules which you are not really following.

If you wouldnt like something being done to you, why do it to others.

First of all, in this case, it 's not others since I am obviously not eating humans. I am eating animals. Big difference.

And as i said before, animals do eat other animals, and yes they even feed off blood like mosquito, but they have no choice. Us humans have a choice and we do know better.

So, by your words, humans are superior to other species. Thus, it 's their choice to do what they like with inferior species. And since eating meat is natural (nature equipped us properly to digest it) and has advantages (cheap chunks of protein), humans chose to eat it. Easy as (meat) pie.

Its wrong to think that because you feel superior to another sentient being that you can enslave them or kill them.

No, you got that wrong. We don't eat them to feed our ego, but to feed the stomach

Humans are putting animals through a period similar to the Nazi Holocaust except its 20 times wurst and its lasting 20 times. To those farm animals we are the nazi's and they are the victims

Yes. I do not disagree on that. I am very saddened by the industrial practices but I consider it a necessity to get the human population well fed.

And no i dont kill any bugs unless they are biting me lol.

Why? Are you putting your survival over theirs? So do we

If they are not biting me i take a cup and put them outside if they are inside my house

That 's sweet

 

[johndoejohndoe]

Pff. Having Pam Anderson as a spokesperson really does nothing for me. I can't respect that. As for the chickens, I could be wrong, but isn't slicing their throats considered humane? It's the same way they would be killed on any other farm. We should be more concerned with apple products and every other electronic device that comes out of Foxconn. The humane treatment of other human beings is a little more important imo.

 

[shaddelick]

Logic has a strict definition of rules which you are not really following.



First of all, in this case, it 's not others since I am obviously not eating humans. I am eating animals. Big difference.



So, by your words, humans are superior to other species. Thus, it 's their choice to do what they like with inferior species. And since eating meat is natural (nature equipped us properly to digest it) and has advantages (cheap chunks of protein), humans chose to eat it. Easy as (meat) pie.



No, you got that wrong. We don't eat them to feed our ego, but to feed the stomach



Yes. I do not disagree on that. I am very saddened by the industrial practices but I consider it a necessity to get the human population well fed.



Why? Are you putting your survival over theirs? So do we



That 's sweet

I am following the strict rule of logic, and you are not, we can go back and forth on that all day if you like

Others meaning other sentient beings, I thought i was clear on that part.

We are superior in the intellectual category, making it easier for us to choose to make ethical decisions

I never indicated that you eat meat because of your ego. I am actually said that its an addiction really. And no i arue the human body is not equipped to eat meat, hence the many ailments and diseases we get .. but thats a whole other topic.

No meat is not necessary to keep the human population well fed.

I am not putting other beings survival over mine. If it came down to survival, then i would have to agree with you

 

[scottx1995]

aww that video was so bad

i mean its ok to kill the chicken and all.. but the idea is to do it in a way that gives the chicken the least amount of pain.. not the current methods which is really gross..

that is what people are trying to get these big industries to do, atleast thats what i think it is about