TIM FERRISS- Your thoughts on this Charlatan please!

[mungus]

i don't even know who tim ferris is i only know neil strauss and i can tell fo sure that this guy is a fake ass mofucker!

his writing has become fame as fuck in the US hasn't it? in germany for example not everyone is aware of strauss that scamming ****

Oddly enough, Tim Ferriss and Neil Strauss are quite pally with each other!

 

[FstQuik07]

With regards to 4HR Body, reps until failure can do serious damage if your form isn't perfect. He briefly mentions this in the book itself you fool.

nuff said

 

[99lives]

The 4HB has been discussed in a lot of bodybuilding forums. These are guys committed with their development, who know how much you can gain and how fast.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2897501
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_on...mance_bodybuilding/34lbs_of_muscle_in_4_weeks

And here is a very funny post regarding the book
http://beyondgrowth.net/lifestyle-d...time-it-works-every-time-tim-timothy-ferriss/

But you've gotta feeeel the power, bother. Feeeeel the 4 hours magic in your body. Prey to Tim and he will deliver! And if someone doesn't agree with the Lord Ferris, he hasn't worked to achieve their dream. Or he didn't undertand the message (cause The Book is not literal, it's a metaphor. That's why the lies are not lies and the contradictions are not contradictions).
There are two kind of people in this world (simplifying). Those who have faith on the Lord Tim and those who demand "facts", "truth" and "proofs". Those are the ones doomed to an ugly body and to be slaves from 9 to 5.

 

[IamNRE]

@ 99nolives
@ mongo

 

[99lives]

@ 99nolives
@ mongo

Jajajajajaja, awesome!

 

[BlueTurtle]

Blue Turtle- Firstly , this thread was put to bed ages ago. However given that you have kindly gone to such great lengths to attempt to de-construct my argument piece by piece I'll respectfully respond. With regards to 4HR Body, reps until failure can do serious damage if your form isn't perfect.

I'm sorry but this is just plain WRONG. I've been weight lifting for over 10 years and I make it a habit to actually study fitness and nutrition. I know more than a lot of personal trainers do in some areas and I'm a regular writer for a high quality fitness blog where the author of the blog requires EVERYTHING to be referenced ASA style from an authoritative source like a .edu, so I'm fairly knowledgeable in these matters.

If you're going to make ridiculous claims like high rep, light weight puts you at risk of injury then you need to back it up with a multitude of authoritative sources.

I've just spent 15 minutes googling this and I can't find any mention on any authority sites about high reps being more likely to cause injury.

The only thing I can find is an unsubstantiated claim on livestrong that "extreme high reps" can cause injury, but in another article they say high reps are better for beginners.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40529-high-reps-vs.-low-reps/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/383019-what-are-the-benefits-of-high-reps/


Here's ehow saying high reps give you less chance of injury:
http://www.ehow.com/how_6920952_train-high-reps.html


Here's an article from a .edu talking about high rep kettlebells actually make you more resistant to injury:
http://www.berry.edu/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=9331


Here's a presentation from a .edu that says using high reps reduces the chance of injury:
http://academic.wsc.edu/faculty/taeveto1/ped470/lecture/ppt/designstrength.ppt



Now, where you're getting mixed up is you've read something somewhere about high reps being bad because of something to do with form. I'll explain what you're ACTUALLY trying to say.

Certain movements that require good form to prevent injury become MORE risky with high reps and HIGH WEIGHT, because as you become tired your form gets bad.

For instance, deadlifting and squats. You can do high rep heavy deadlifts, and it's something I actually do, but it's risky for beginners. The reason you can do high rep heavy deadlifts as opposed to high rep heavy bench pressing is because when you're doing the high rep heavy bench pressing your 3 main muscle groups that are getting worked, the chest/front shoulders/traps will all fail at the same time and you'll be unable to move on. Form is also not important for injury prevention in the bench press like it is for deadlifting. Now, for deadlifting your support muscles will start to fatigue long before your primary muscle groups(hamstring/spinal erectors). Also, once your lower back partially fatigues it becomes harder to arch your lower back. With super heavy weights/lower rep you don't get that "partial fatigue" on the lower back, you'll just go from being able to do a rep, to not being able to pull the bar fully up, and your form will wiggle a little on that last rep, but if your form starts to go on a 50 rep high weight deadlift and rep 30, then you've got 20 reps of bad form.

Excuse the big meaty paragraph. I'd re-write that to be clearer if this was an article, but I'm just hammering out info at 7am instead

Here's an article that talks about what I'm saying here:
http://jasonferruggia.com/how-to-build-muscle-with-high-rep-leg-training/

In case you're wondering, jasonferruggia.com is an authority site. Here's a link from men's health magazine

http://blogs.menshealth.com/meet-the-trainer/deadlift-training-on-saturday-morning/2010/05/22/

There are a couple dozen links from men's health alone(********, inside articles on men's health)


Now, what you CANNOT say is that "high reps give you more risk of injury". As I said, I could only find 1 claim from livestrong, which although is an authority site, it has conflicting information depending on the particular author. The person who wrote the livestrong article is similarly confused, OR they're just generalizing. "extreme high reps" is ambiguous. I've given references from .edu's, authority sites and a long, clear explanation of exactly why in some cases high rep(STRICTLY WITH HIGH WEIGHT) is more risky injury wise.

Even so, this is only for beginners. I train high rep heavy weight when deadlifting and I'm not at risk of injury, even when my back does arch, which I know it does at some points, especially with straight leg deadlifts. When you've been training for a long time your whole body(muscles,bones,tendons,joints) strengthen up significantly, so it's quite difficult to injure yourself unless you're a complete tool.


The most injuries in weight lifting are from power lifting when people are attempting their 1 rep max.

There's also significantly more injuries in certain sports where the rotator cuff is used unnaturally.

Generally in weight lifting you'll just see injuries that develop slowly over time with overtraining, specifically with tendons and around the rotator cuff.


Feel free to continue arguing with me on this, but if you do you better have an army of authority sites to back you up otherwise you're going to get laughed out the thread.

if you've ever witnessed a horrific injury in the gym through poor technique you wouldn't be so quick to spout your absolute nonsense. You're the one who is clueless and pretending you even have a clue about this subject is just hilarious to be honest.

Perhaps you could try to be a little more vague, eh? A "horrific injury through poor technique" ?

I thought we were talking about increased risk of injury with high rep training. How does talking about witnessing a "horrific injury" have any bearing on the point at hand?

I've been training, as mentioned above for over 10 years, and I've never witnessed a single injury in the gym. "horrific injuries" like you mention are ultra rare, and they occur from power lifters attempting a massive 1 rep max, but even then they're rare considering all the people trying their 1rm on a weekly basis.

As said before, 90% of injuries are developed over time through over-training and are often related to tendons, joints and specifically the rotator cuff. Such injuries aren't debilitating, but just prevent people from training with any real intensity until they heal up.

You've been on youtube too much looking up weight lifting accidents.

however I have witnessed people losing their families and the shirts off their back by subscribing to such charmers as this guy.

I have to say, I find you genuinely really very funny. It's the reason I take the time to write all this. You keep coming out with wild, generic, unsubstantiated claims and use them to support your conclusions.

What people have you "witnessed" exactly?
Define "like this guy".

His book is like $12. He doesn't ask you to buy anything else, spend any money or give up anything. How exactly is anyone going to "lose the shirt off their back"?

It's back to that old nugget that I mentioned in an earlier thread.. You're part of the "blame culture". What you're saying is this:-

"People buy his book expecting that they can change their lives, make a fortune, travel the world, live the good life with their families by spending $12 on Tim's book.

Once they read it they try some of the things in it, step by step and realize it doesn't work.

Oh no. Boohoo. These people are destroyed. They've probably spent their $2000 life savings buying some product hoping to sell it and the remainder on adwords. Now they're destroyed and it's all Tim's fault"

This is your thought process, and it's the usual "the whole world owes me a living" crap.

Tim even says in the book that it's NOT a blueprint for making money.

It boggles my mind that you think it's a money making book. It's actually an ANTI-money making book. He's teaching you how to make *LESS* money and have *MORE TIME*.

If you're not already making money then you're suppose to just get the general philosophy about building a business that's a machine, that works without you, instead of building a lifestyle business that requires you at the desk every morning at 9am.

Seriously, get off IamNRE's dick, this discussion is over. I wanted to open a healthy debate on Tim Ferriss' ideas but people like you have to jump in and spit your frustration at the world.

lol? This is just too funny on too many levels.

You wanted a healthy discussion on Tim Ferriss' ideas, but you were calling people cocksuckers before I even made my first comment?

It's also funny that you use the word "frustration" when describing me. You know you're describing yourself? I'm not frustrated. I've just woken up and I'm enjoying writing this reply before I go and get some fresh morning rolls, cook myself some nice crispy bacon and a fresh coffee, and then sit down to a relaxing breakfast before I start my working day.

Have you read the book "The Secret" ? Well 4HWW is the business equivalent if you like. Well 4HWW is the business equivalent if you like.

Ahh, you've also read "The Secret". Makes sense that you'd be attracted to a book like that. Me? I've read Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich. The 2 are a world apart. The Secret is a book written to make money by appealing to the greedy, lazy masses. Those old "the world owes me a living" types, that want everything on their laps.

Napoleon Hill's book was the result of a lifetime of research into the "magical something" that certain successful people seem to have.

I noticed someone else mentioned Napoleon Hill here and that person just happened to be pro-Tim. I'm sure that person, and many more of you who know what I'm talking about, recognize the "think and grow rich" qualities in Tim and understand exactly WHY he's so successful.


Oh, and "4HWH" is not the business equivalent of the secret. "Think and Grow Rich" is.

Also, the "writing like a ten year old" comment, shows exactly where your at. Seriously, get off IamNRE's dick

"you're"

Seriously, get off IamNRE's dick

I just had to LOL at this again. Thank-you for that. Laughter warms the soul.

Feel free to carry on your daily life with your "think positive and the whole universe will provide for me attitude."

Thank-you, friend, I will. Thanks for also reminding me to do this(I'm serious). The funny thing is, with your comment about the universe providing for me, you've just shown that the universe IS providing for me, haha.

I view your comment as a sign from the universe to remain positive and friendly, and that you're just a fellow soul in life's journey and I'm taking advantage of you.

I do understand your feelings on Tim's book, and I understand why you see him as a scammer. Nothing after all is absolute.

Take my advice though here and do try to relax. I promise you that you won't have success in life while you feel like that. Just go and do something that makes you feel happy, forget the book and continue with your business.

Maybe this is the universe's way of giving you a sign, eh? All you have to do is "listen". Why not try and read Napoleon Hill's book and be a bit more open minded? It's up to you what you do from here, you can either be headstrong and call this all "new age crap", or you can give it a go and see where it takes you

Good luck

Me personally, I choose not to live in the land of the fucking fairies

Oh, and you should reconsider this. The land of the fairies is a great place to live. We have trees that grow money and other trees that grow supermodels.. Come join the fun.

 

[southbayboredom]

Apologies in positing in a resurrected thread, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to it.

4HWW I found to be a great inspirational read. I think there's great bits that I want to integrate as things progress in my projects. His books are written to be something that you should take pieces from, not follow everything to the letter.

The 4 hour body however, has fucking changed my life. Last may (2011) i weight 372 lbs. I adopted the Slow Carb diet into my lifestyle (without the cheat days), started going to the gym 3-5 times a week, and have now lost 68lbs, 14% body fat, and put on at least a good 10-15lbs of muscle. My current weight is 304lbs.

My deadlift is up to 200lbs, my bench is at about 180, my squat is in the 220lb range. All of them would be higher, but I sprained my arm at a trampoline park 2 months ago. Recovery took around 6 weeks to regain full strength.

This year I plan to get down to the 210-220 range, compete in Tough Mudder, and finish my complete transformation.

Not everything in 4 hour body applies to me, but the parts I've adopted have worked great for me.

Hope my perspective has helped contribute a bit to the conversation.

 

[BlueTurtle]

Congrats, bro. It's always amazing to hear someone who's managed to transform their body! It's not an easy thing to do, especially if you're REALLY fat.

Good luck on your journey down to 210-220! You'll definitely get there and the next 80lbs will be a lot more enjoyable than the first 80lbs.

Apologies in positing in a resurrected thread, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to it.

4HWW I found to be a great inspirational read. I think there's great bits that I want to integrate as things progress in my projects. His books are written to be something that you should take pieces from, not follow everything to the letter.

The 4 hour body however, has fucking changed my life. Last may (2011) i weight 372 lbs. I adopted the Slow Carb diet into my lifestyle (without the cheat days), started going to the gym 3-5 times a week, and have now lost 68lbs, 14% body fat, and put on at least a good 10-15lbs of muscle. My current weight is 304lbs.

My deadlift is up to 200lbs, my bench is at about 180, my squat is in the 220lb range. All of them would be higher, but I sprained my arm at a trampoline park 2 months ago. Recovery took around 6 weeks to regain full strength.

This year I plan to get down to the 210-220 range, compete in Tough Mudder, and finish my complete transformation.

Not everything in 4 hour body applies to me, but the parts I've adopted have worked great for me.

Hope my perspective has helped contribute a bit to the conversation.

 

[jiipodd]

One thing about 4HWW: If you read it well, Tim says in it that the 4 hours refer to "4 hours of work that feels like work". It doesn't mean that you don't have to work at all and you can just chill on the beach. Then again, it doesn't mean that you have to work 40hours per week either.

He should have been a bit more clear about that distinction in his book.

What the message of the book really is that you can cut out most of the stuff that you don't like by simply delegating, outsourcing or eliminating. When you don't have to work on those things, work doesn't feel like work anymore --> 4 hour workweek.

 

[BlueTurtle]

With regards to 4HR Body, reps until failure can do serious damage if your form isn't perfect. He briefly mentions this in the book itself you fool.

I just got a copy of the pdf version of 4 hour body and did a search for "injury", then for "high reps" and finally for "form" and there's not any mention about doing "serious damage" if your form isn't "perfect".

FYI, I'm not a fool.

 

[mungus]

I just got a copy of the pdf version of 4 hour body and did a search for "injury", then for "high reps" and finally for "form" and there's not any mention about doing "serious damage" if your form isn't "perfect".

FYI, I'm not a fool.

You've just wasted x minutes of your life with your so called authority referencing efforts. I'm talking specifically of the dangers ,not of HIGH REPS (like you say), but Reps 'till failure at a slow cadence (5/5) as tim suggests with a weight at or around 80% of your maximum, probably 6 or 7 reps per set, one set each exercise , with two or three exercises per workout. He fails to mention the dangers of this, if you had been lifting for 10 years you'd surely be aware of this. Yes, ok "horrific" injuries was a bit strong, though rare though they do happen, but general day to day injuries that can have a lifelong impact on someone who doesn't know any better are far more common than you'd like to believe as a result of the methods he endorses. I'm not saying his "Geek to Freak" workout doesn't work , I'm just saying he should make people aware of the dangers before he drowns them in the hype surrounding his so called "results" (Steroid use?) I also know that the hype surrounding the 4HWW and the very calculating way in which it is written could be enough to convince some less sceptical people to quit their jobs even before they have seen any success with his methods. Much of that book is written like a beautiful sales script full of allegory and dream talk. Of course it's an uplifting read but that's about it, all the rest is fluff for those who didn't have a clue about business in the first place. The book is NOT aimed at business people like you suggest, it coldly targets those who are vulnerable and open to the belief that anyone can make a six figure income by essentially working 4 hours per week, ie people looking for an easy way out. Like the sad millions who fail on American Idol to the bared teeth grins of the equally sad audiences who watch them do so, year in year out. It's not the $12 or so that he gets them to fork out I'm concerned with, nor the fact he never asks anything of you,financially or otherwise. It's simply the fact that he is essentially a "God-TV-esque" Pastor selling pseudo-entrepreneurial nuggets of gold plated bullshit whilst creating an enormous, increasingly narrow minded,fervently defensive and irrational group of followers. If you deny that this is the central theme and dream that he is selling you are a fool, worse still if you believe any old Joe can achieve this you are an even bigger fool. I love some of his views on outsourcing,leveraging your current business model and work practices to scale things up without increasing the amount of time you spend working, some of this is real world,solid, stuff, in fact I applaud many of his methods, but others are not to be taken so light heartedly. You say it's not a business guide, to those who aren't already knowledgeable in the field of business, it most certainly poses as though it is, there is no doubting the intention behind this book. Unfortunately, some people don't know any better.

You can argue that it's not to be taken literally.Of course, you can say that about anything. You can suggest that I followed the book word for word and failed. That is not what I did, I'm not a fucking retard. I simply read the book, read alot about the guy then felt the need to pass judgement as I felt that something about his style intrigues, yet disturbs or should I say, as has come to be the case now, something about the people who "worship" him disturbs me. I understand fully the meaning and message behind the book itself. It has some tremendous insights but also some profound untruths and fantastical claims. You can talk until you are blue in the face about how I love to make wild and ambiguous statements, can't you see that this is exactly what Ferriss does in his work. You don't seem to be so keen on extracting the FACTS when it comes to his advice do you?! Pareto's principle...WOW! I'm going to apply this ancient theorem to my everyday living and enter the world of the New rich, how profound, I wish I had thought to apply this to my life when I learned about it at highschool The reality of 4HWW- Work smarter, not harder, become mobile and cease trading time for money. Hmmm...Why didn't I think of that first. (sarc.) Now, the book alone as it stands is fine, a light hearted , fairly enjoyable and motivating read at best, however given that this is the case I find it disturbing the vitriol that people spout whenever somebody challenges Tim Ferriss' beliefs and methods. This proves to me, that (like religion,although I didn't want to get into that) some people are very much fanatical about his ideas leading me to believe that he undoubtedly has successfully sold a methodology that is nothing more than an unfounded belief system , to a very large number of people. This in itself is dangerous, I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to say this stuff without providing hard scientific proof, I'm just saying, sceptics like myself should be allowed to evaluate and criticise his methods ,the majority of which are repackaged ancient life-lessons sold with a glossy cover and an age old dream. We should be allowed to discuss these methods and their faults and benefits without people like yourself making personal attacks ie My spelling, like wtaf? Who gives a fuck, its teh internet! Yes, I did call someone a cocksucker and was verbally abusive, that was a response to a VERY large number of personal attacks against myself both through PM and on this thread itself, so many infact that they served to back up my point about how nobody dare say a word about this guy.If I'd have come on this forum and started a thread abusing BHW itself I probably would not have had as many insults thrown at me as I had when I asked for a relatively light hearted discussion on Tim Ferriss.

Oh and I've read Think and Grow rich,thanks. You insult the book "The Secret". I myself stated that the secret is a load of BS and 4HWW is the equivalent. You then go on to "correct" me by saying Think and Grow Rich is the business equivalent of The Secret, thereby completely contradicting yourself. You do make me chuckle. Missed my point althogether, that's the last time I underestimate your lack of intelligence.

Also feel free to alter any of my spelling and grammar mistakes, if it makes you feel better.

 

[mungus]

I just got a copy of the pdf version of 4 hour body and did a search for "injury", then for "high reps" and finally for "form" and there's not any mention about doing "serious damage" if your form isn't "perfect".

FYI, I'm not a fool.

You couldn't find his safety advice you mean? Or any mention of the dangers of these exercises? My point exactly! Trust me though old chap, it's in there, just don't be distracted by all the hype.

 

[BlueTurtle]

You've just wasted x minutes of your life with your so called authority referencing efforts. I'm talking specifically of the dangers ,not of HIGH REPS (like you say), but Reps 'till failure at a slow cadence (5/5) as tim suggests with a weight at or around 80% of your maximum, probably 6 or 7 reps per set, one set each exercise , with two or three exercises per workout. He fails to mention the dangers of this, if you had been lifting for 10 years you'd surely be aware of this.

You still haven't cited *any* references. You just say crap like "If you'd been lifting for 10 years you'd be aware of this". That's not helpful.

It's also even more ridiculous that you're saying reps until failure are dangerous. That's just bodybuilding. 6-10 rep range and a weight that's 70-80% of your max , then going till failure is called bodybuilding, lol.

So what you're saying is bodybuilding is dangerous? Even though it's known as one of the safer types of weight lifting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_to_failure

Read that. It tells you that there's a risk of overtraining, not injury associated with training to failure on every set. Overtraining is a very different thing and it happens over a long period of time.

But even at that, it's only SOME people that think there's a risk of overtraining. If you're eating well and only at the gym 2 to 3 times a week you won't overtrain.

The book is NOT aimed at business people like you suggest, it coldly targets those who are vulnerable and open to the belief that anyone can make a six figure income by essentially working 4 hours per week

I don't know why you keep saying this. It's not a money making book. It certainly doesn't try to teach people to make 6 figures working 4 hours a week. Seriously, I don't think you've read the book. Either that or your reading comprehension isn't up to standard.

I've got the book in front of me now, let's see.

Section 1 : "D is for Definition"

This section is philosophy, stories, understanding the current mindset of the masses and how to re-define your path.

Section 2: "E is for Elimination"

This entire section is about trimming the fat on your business and life. Making it more efficient. How can a "money making book" start with 2 chapters like that?

Section 3: "A is for Automation"

First chapter in this is about outsourcing your business and life. "life", yes, the book isn't just about having a more efficient business, but a more efficient life.

The next 3 chapters are case studies and discuss more practical ways of running a business, including some ideas for the type of businesses that work well with the 4 hour work week style of thinking.

Section 4: "L is for Liberation"

No money making in here. This is more philosophy about how to lead the good life. The book is all about 'balance'. The type of balance a lot of people on this forum talk about being important.

So there you go. How you can perceive this book to be a "get rich quick with 4 hours work a week" is beyond me. I think you probably skimmed the book looking for a "push now->profit" button then got mad because it wasn't there.

It's simply the fact that he is essentially a "God-TV-esque" Pastor selling pseudo-entrepreneurial nuggets of gold plated bullshit whilst creating an enormous, increasingly narrow minded,fervently defensive and irrational group of followers.

That's where you're mistaken. None of us worship him. We recognize certain qualities in him and he's made a lot of us re-think the whole "work 90 hours a week and make a billion $" mantra.

What he says is not bullshit. You don't make any money my friend, so you're not in a position to say what is and isn't bullshit when it comes to business.

I'm not rich, but I do make high 5 figures per month, and I know some of the others here who like him do well too. The only people who seem to dislike him are lazy folk like yourself who doesn't make any money.

you are a fool

Nope, I'm definitely not a fool. Saying it several times won't make it so.

in fact I applaud many of his methods, but others are not to be taken so light heartedly

That doesn't make sense.. You mean others ARE to be taken light heartedly.

To say they're not to be taken light heartedly means you think you should take them seriously, which wouldn't make sense given that you've got "but".

You can argue that it's not to be taken literally

No, it has to be taken literally. I'm certainly not arguing that. It's not a work of fiction. What we're all saying there's nothing you can just copy to make money. He talks about licensing your own product or developing your own info product and selling it on adwords. There's nothing to directly copy. He gives you some great advice like looking at hobbyist magazines to see what kind of things sell and which are selling the best.

Surely you're not saying that you can't make money creating your own info product then selling on adwords? lol. That's laughable if you are.

You just can't do "any old shit" and list it on adwords and expect to bank. You have to spend time researching, testing and building your info product to be successful with it. He's also never suggested you spend 4 hours a week doing that. What he has suggested is that once it's launched you outsource, scale back, cut the fat and apply the Pareto Principle to your business and your life.

read alot about the guy

"a lot". That's also interesting because I've read almost nothing about the guy beyond that he says in his book. I could care less about him. I like what he writes about, the impact it had on my business philosophy, and the practical points about running a business.

sceptics like myself should be allowed to evaluate and criticise his methods

Why? This is like saying obese people who sit at home ordering mcdonalds over the telephone all day should be allowed to evaluate and criticize the training regime of Olympic athletes. Sure they *can*, but it's laughable.

You don't make money, yet you sit here talking about what does and does not work in a business book. What fucking experience do you have? Fuck all. Excuse my french.

Come back when you've made your first $100k and tell us what does and doesn't work. Until then have a nice day, and please, please, please, read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph



*kisses and hugs*

 

[BlueTurtle]

You couldn't find his safety advice you mean? Or any mention of the dangers of these exercises? My point exactly! Trust me though old chap, it's in there, just don't be distracted by all the hype.

I couldn't find an explicit, in-content mention of the "dangers" of training to failure with bad form.

I'm sure there's a disclaimer because ALL free weight training has its risks. That's neither here nor there.

As I've said. Go and find me some credible references that say bodybuilding and training to failure is highly risky.

I don't know how you could put on muscle WITHOUT training to failure.

Oh and I've read Think and Grow rich,thanks. You insult the book "The Secret". I myself stated that the secret is a load of BS and 4HWW is the equivalent. You then go on to "correct" me by saying Think and Grow Rich is the business equivalent of The Secret, thereby completely contradicting yourself. You do make me chuckle. Missed my point althogether, that's the last time I underestimate your lack of intelligence.

It's not a contradiction. Think and Grow Rich IS the business equivalent. "The Secret" is aimed at the "push button->earn cash" crowd.
My intelligence is irrelevant. You should be assessing the logic of my propositions, statements and the supporting conclusions I make from them. I could be the most intelligent person in the universe and still be wrong, or the dumbest person in the universe and be right.

Also feel free to alter any of my spelling and grammar mistakes, if it makes you feel better.

Thanks, I will, and it does.


Oh, I forgot.. *kisses and hugs*

 

[BlueTurtle]

 

[99lives]

 

[BlueTurtle]

What aggression? That's a pretty bizarre response considering mungus is the one calling people cocksuckers and fools. I haven't called him anything.

I've told you about Ad Hominem too, but you apparently don't listen. Ad Hominem is when you attempt to win an argument by attacking your opponent. I'm not trying to win anything by pointing out he's a scammer himself. Also, if you want to try to act smart by using fancy debating terms then at least learn where to use commas:

It's "That's low, and again, an ..", not "That's low and, again, an .." *facepalm*

You really need to re-read what an argumentum ad hominem actually is. This would be one:

"You're wrong because you're an idiot".

Simply calling someone an idiot or attacking them is NOT argumentum ad hominem. You have to actually claim their argument is false because of something directly wrong with them. Ie, it's a logical fallacy. So, PLEASE, if you're going to try to be smart and use fancy terms, besides learning to use commas, learn what it is you're actually citing before you cite it and sound stupid.

See there, that wasn't ad hominem. I'm saying you sound stupid. I'm not saying you're wrong because you sound stupid. See the difference? It's not hard.

I'm pointing out the irony of this thread. How can you call someone, for creating a book, a scammer when you're creating 100's of fake escort profiles to rip guys off?

To be honest, 99lives, I don't think you've even read 1/4 of what I've written, so I won't say anymore to you. You're just talking nonsense about faith and bringing religion into this discussion again, so let's leave it there.

Ey, man. What does that have to do? That's low and, again, an argumentum ad hominem. You should really take a look at your almost religious fanatism towards Tim (I'm saying that because of your aggressive attitude).

Why don't we all stop here? Regarding the FHWW we are debating faith vs facts. And they don't belong together. It's like debating about God. We are not gonna get to an end.
Some people are gonna like the book, others are gonna hate it. And that's fine. There are way too many books around to always agree.

Cheers.

 

[derajc]

I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned how he "built" the muscle in such a short window.

Answer: Muscle Memory. He already had it, lost it, and put it all back on quickly on a bulking diet and slow&heavy lifting plan.

Christian Bale fasted himself to a 100lbs frame and then quickly bulked up to reprise Batman in Batman Begins. Google it.

 

[BlueTurtle]

I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned how he "built" the muscle in such a short window.

Answer: Muscle Memory. He already had it, lost it, and put it all back on quickly on a bulking diet and slow&heavy lifting plan.

Christian Bale fasted himself to a 100lbs frame and then quickly bulked up to reprise Batman in Batman Begins. Google it.

This is very true, yep.

 

[mungus]

You're such a proven business talent. Please feel free to post proof of earnings. I could sit here and say I earn $xx,xxx per month. It means NOTHING. What's your obsession with how much money I earn? I've been up, I've been down. I've had successful offline business that I've sold, I've had some ventures that have failed. I've been heavily involved in business since I was 16 when I set up a business selling car mods turning over 90k a year, I made alot and I spunked it because I was young and careless. I'm no newb when it comes to business my friend, so don't make that mistake.

May I ask...

Do you believe Tim Ferriss is a talented and skillful kickboxer who genuinely deserved to win his title fighting loads of guys who spent their lives dedicated to the art?

Do you believe his sales figures for brainQuicken? If so, well no offence, but you should be ashamed of yourself.

His Geek to Freak workout. You say you've trained for 10 years and you don't find his claims to be dubious? I've been involved in martial arts for a few years and have never really lifted seriously in terms of body building, but I have spent countless hours in the gym over the years and well, your claims are laughable and so are those of Tim Ferriss. I'm not even going to provide a link for this in particular as if you were to simply google this Geek to Freak-Tim Ferriss workout, you will be swamped by the number of PROFESSIONAL Athletes, Bodybuilders, Gym freaks, nutritionists and doctors absolutely PANNING this guy. Please just humour me for a second and take a look at what these REAL AUTHORITIES have to say about this absolute charlatan.

You say it's not a get rich quick book and that I haven't read it. Well, seeing as you can't prove a negative I'm not going to waste my time arguing the fact of whether I have read the book or not...But for everyone else's benefit, I have.

Now I never once said it was purely and simply a "Get rich quick" guide so I don't know why you pathetically keep labouring the point, but please don't try and tell me that the everyday guy or gal who reads this book from cover to cover doesn't come away feeling and believing that thanks to the great false prophet Timmy boy "I can now live the life of the New Rich thanks to my micro-niche business selling absolute useless TAT (You may recall the examples he gave in his book that obviously must have brought so much change and value to society.If you can't , don't worry, I'll remind you- French Striped T-shirts and Yoga for rock climbers.AMAZING.) ... and low living costs in far off lands, plus I needn't do any actual donkey work myself any more because I can pay some barely literate Bangladeshi VA to do that for me."

Oh how wonderful, well worth my $12.

You admit yourself, you haven't read a lot about him. You honestly want me to back up what I've read about him? Why? My initial argument was that he is a charlatan ( Remember the thread title that caught your eye and forced you to get so hot and bothered, so pent up in fact that you had to come on board and resurrect a dead old thread with your truly laughable views.) Oh Tim's had such a positive affect on my business Philosophy.

Ok, so I know nothing about your business, but let me try and summarise your new-found ideology based on what you've said given your love for this deceptive creature-

1.You provide a very specific and narrow demographic with useless overpriced,underproven, and possibly dangerous products.

2. Your business from this day forth shall be controlled remotely from the comfort of your local coffee shop whilst you minimise customer support and customer care by outsourcing these duties to our low paid, pigeon english speaking friends in the east. Ie you don't really care about your customer base, after all, your not selling consumables and your sales come flooding though organic and ppc traffic, so it's a quick sale and then a quick "thanks for your hard earned cash, now please jog on!"

3. You will essentially become a tax dodging, ocean hopping, hippie scumbag with no respect for the country that brought you up and the working men and women who may have worked "lowly" 9-5 jobs to build the country that provides you with the opportunities to live your "deferred lifestyle", but they sure as hell paid their taxes.

4. You will now exploit Tim's Illuminati level knowledge on how to completely ream Google ads and take your trash-selling empire to it's highest heights simply by split testing an ad campaign for a budget of just $500. Because, PPC really is THAT EASY PEOPLE, I don't understand why BHW has soooo many boring threads relating to the subject when Timmy Ferriss sums up how it can be done in just four pages.rolleyes:

5. You will take your incredible business knowledge around the globe and enlighten millions of business people and the general public on best business practices, ie All of the above. Most likely at a University campus that you have essentially hijacked. Kudos +1!

6. You will apply what you have learned from being a scheming, scamming "business man" or should I say elite member of the lifestyle design community and spend a year or so creating a book, choc full of dangerous, very dangerous information regarding crash diets, miracle injury cures, poly-phasic (schizophrenia inducing) sleeping techniques, sexual manoeuvres that would make even the most easily pleased of females laugh in your face. I mean, I digress here but, with regards to the sex guide section of 4 hour body, he even gives his "affiliate" link to a company selling special Japanese cushions that he "recommends" are essential for some of the positions and techniques he touts so enthusiastically. I mean will he stop at nothing to make a quick buck. He's a one man LINK BAIT machine, a liar, and a blood drinking child molester (Allegedly. I would post my source for this but those who operate in the shadows have taken it off line but I have it on good authority that this is true.)

Now, let's talk logic. I say- Tim Ferris= Charlatan. I'l list my examples seeing as we're all about productivity and time saving these days right?! Hey I'll I've also stuck in some genuine, valid and in no way fabricated (Just like Tim) testimonials...

1. Geek to Freak results- Confuscious say " Pile of Wank. "

2. My 40k a year to 40k a month journey Mungus says "Bollocks"

3. Polyphasic Sleeping for productivity - Anybody who has ever felt tired in their life and hundreds of millions of years of evolution say "Try it, I hope you film the results for our entertainment."

4. 15 minute orgasm - 99% of the sexually active male population and 100% of all lesbians say"Achievable, if you don't have arthritis and your girlfriend's brain is damaged enough that she incapable of laughing."

5. How to market yourself to death and convince millions of lazy,ignorant,quick fix seeking,gullible,idle,desperate,there's-a-gaping-void-in-my-life, type people to buy your book and desperately cling onto your every last word despite the glaring nonsense that you speak.

FYI, I do make money, I sometimes make a lot of money, I sometimes lose a lot of money. I love to spend my money. I have dabbled in fraudulent activities in the past. I may do so in the future, but one thing is for sure, if I have done something and succeeded and I wish to teach others how to do so, I will do so without fucking lying to them and falsifying the fact that I have even done such things in the first place. And didn't some one mention Ad Hominem? Hmmm... Don't think you quite get it do you. Why bring up the "fact" that I don't make money (A.How would you know and B.If this book isn't about money making then how is it even relevant.) Also, I struggle to understand what relevance my previous posts have in this argument I have against Tim Ferriss, I'm not trying to claim I'm a better man or a more honourable citizen. I certainly am not, hey, I wouldn't be on fucking BHW if I was and neither would you. I'm just saying, he's a liar, so prove me wrong, join in the Tim-Bashing or fuck off. So far your so called "logic" has failed to do either.

Now the sources of my conjecture are too many to list, so I simply suggest that anyone interested in finding out why I come to this conclusion Google "Tim Ferriss+Liar/Scam" whatever. You won't be hard pushed to find hundreds if not thousands of articles and papers and blogs and forum posts saying exactly this. Not just everyday internet gob shites, but people who know what they are talking about. Unlike Blueturtle and the majority of Tim's Tiny Army.

Read this - http://beyondgrowth.net/lifestyle-d...time-it-works-every-time-tim-timothy-ferriss/ (originally posted by 99lives I think)