Toyo is a theif!

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I've paid Toyo several times for work, always came through for me without problems

He was probably in a good mood on those several occasions. :D

You only see someones true colors when the shit hits the fan.. :rolleyes:
 
This is clearly a very difficult situation.

If OP's bad mailing list has resulted into ruining Toyo's bot proxies network, who will pay for the damages caused by OP's non-opt-in mailing list?

Spamhaus (and other anti-spam sites) has been going after the mailers/ISPs big time.

Many data centers/top-tier ISPs who received the complaints from Spamhaus would result in imposing the fines against the IP users, even private proxy providers.

Just my 2 cents.

He shouldn't accept the money if job was too risky or he couldn't do it...
 
these are one of these called high rep pissers who are making thousands a day but in real they are just broke
 
Ummm, let's get something straight. Sending out mass emails to a non-opt-in list is NOT illegal. CAN-SPAM only requires the ability to opt-out to be compliant.

It really pisses me off that people think sending out spam is illegal. It's not illegal, just frowned upon.

So let's stop calling the OP's operation "Illegal" because it's not.
 
Ummm, let's get something straight. Sending out mass emails to a non-opt-in list is NOT illegal. CAN-SPAM only requires the ability to opt-out to be compliant.

It really pisses me off that people think sending out spam is illegal. It's not illegal, just frowned upon.

So let's stop calling the OP's operation "Illegal" because it's not.

What is illegal is doing a pump and dumb operation with mass mailing. So please read the thread again, cause you have no idea what you are talking about. You probably dont even know whats going on and you seem talk out of your ass.
 
Thought this might be appropriate

I suggest you make a video of you in your CL 500 pulling up to a camera then you say something like:

"Looks like Toyo"

*puts on sunglasses*

"Is a FUCKING IDIOT"

YEEEEAAAAAAHH!!!!!!

My verdict is guilty though.
 
Whew, a meager $4k, are you kidding me, Toyo did not deny that he scammed the guy, everyone stay away fromt his dude...

True, but why would someone jeopardize their hard earned reputation here for a meager 4K. So let's give Toyo the benefit of doubt.
 
Regardless of how crooked OP's money making operations are, the bottom line is that TOYO broke some major ethical rules and I would never ever ever ever do business with a person of this caliber, especially on BHW...

What saddens me the most is not TOYO, but the perceived credibility (5 star/senior member/donor) that accompanied the guys name. I used to respect the credentials, as they symbolized professionalism and trust. It does take time and effort to establish such a reputation and I have come to respect that, or at least I used to.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to read between TOYO's lines. He is guilty as hell on this one. He should have come up with a better response to OP than BHW's rules and regulations.

It's like saying, "hey everyone its no big deal, Ya I ripped this guy off but i didn't do it on BHW, so ya, you know, I'm still trust worthy and stuff, you guys can still do business with me".. NOT!!!

Peoples livelihoods are at stake here and many of us come to rely on BHW and the connections we create as a result.. Sure, some of us utilize black hat techniques on the internet to twist the odds in our favor or our clients, but I think I can speak for the majority when I say that we are not criminals!! Criminals are scum and scum do not belong here.

I don't think you can trust anything in here anymore. The stars don't mean shit, the accolades don't mean shit anymore. Anyone at anytime can turn out to be a scammer. People come in here because they think they might be able to trust people in here for help. So they get suckered in only to be scammed. It has gotten worse, how my J-Vp's have been banned lately because of scamming people in here?

Not everyone in her is a scammer, but how do you know who is anymore.
 
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BigBuddy you've seen this thread by now.

Please take action and ban this mothafucka. His attitude screams guilty from 1000 miles away.

We just hate fucking scammers. Please don't give him any second chances

Not only has he seen this thread but if you read it, you would have seen that he gave toyo 24 hours to make it right.
 
Yeah Reputation means nothing in BHW anymore

take this BK071 guy who posted in this thread - I bought his service and asked for a refund - because it was terrible (before the work got started really) --- so he just negative reps me - and there is nothing I can do it about it.

Toyo could have just refunded the money if it was causing a problem for him but no - he just blocks the guy.

The forum needs a better way for disputes to be sorted to be honest.... anyway thats just my opinion.
 
After reading this thread and coming back and forth all day it's pretty obvious what happened.

OP Paid for mailing for penny stock/pump and dump.

Toyo started the job, seen a lot of his bots proxies were getting blacklisted, and stopped before he blacklisted all of the IP's. Then apparently blocked OP on skype.

This is where the problems started. They should have worked out some kind of deal for the ones that did inbox, for the ones sent, and there should have been some kind of refund back to OP. It shouldn't have got to this point and it's sad it came to the forum here.

Toyo had ample time to reply and explain his side, as he posted twice. Instead of explaining he just said remove his info from the first post. That just does not look good at all. I'm really not trying to judge but man, you made you bed, now it's time to lay in it. :jester:
 
The fact of the matter is, They should be both banned for blatant illegal activity. It's not what we stand for here and it's not allowed to be done anyways.

You will never see me give more than $1,000 to any member upfront that isn't a Mod.
We've even had Mods-in-training turn out to be scammers. I know, because I was duped by one of the two.
 
What is illegal is doing a pump and dumb operation with mass mailing. So please read the thread again, cause you have no idea what you are talking about. You probably dont even know whats going on and you seem talk out of your ass.

Not sure what a "Pump and Dumb" operation is. And lol, I'm glad you can tell someone's talking out of their ass by three sentences.

For your information douchebag, I do emailing for a living. What about you?
 
Not sure what a "Pump and Dumb" operation is. And lol, I'm glad you can tell someone's talking out of their ass by three sentences.

For your information douchebag, I do emailing for a living. What about you?

from this thread i can see he do scamming for living
 
Toyo : You should prove that he/she is wrong ; referring to BHW rules (even they state it clearly), seems more an hiding [which might let us deduce that you did not play fair with your deal with him] ==> you should try to get everything resolved

OP : for the personal infos, you could remove them until you and Toyo get a deal ==> I undestand your frustation ; if I were you , God knows what would I do...
 
wow man this has got to be the fastest growing thread in BHW history! 5 pages in around 8 hours lol you guys love the drama!!!

dont know what to think about this tbh, i speak with toyo sometimes and I know he operates on a very dark side of online money making which i find parts of it prety cool and i dont mind some of the stuff i know hes up to

but not this - this is pure out scamming another person! and cant be tolerated and then to say that BHW rules say it is outside BHW it dont count WRONG this guy obviously found you threw your rep here as a mailer so approached you so it was your rep here got you the gig that you took advantage of
 
wow man this has got to be the fastest growing thread in BHW history! 5 pages in around 8 hours lol you guys love the drama!!!

dont know what to think about this tbh, i speak with toyo sometimes and I know he operates on a very dark side of online money making which i find parts of it prety cool and i dont mind some of the stuff i know hes up to

but not this - this is pure out scamming another person! and cant be tolerated and then to say that BHW rules say it is outside BHW it dont count WRONG this guy obviously found you threw your rep here as a mailer so approached you so it was your rep here got you the gig that you took advantage of

Totally agree with you, saves some space :p
 
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