Immigration and IM'ers

[synfig]

I was reading docs of immigration to Canada, Aus, NZ and found that most of the rules expect working labor in their country. Considering Im'ers are self employed. Aren't we eligible to migrate in any other country ? if so, i would like to hear thoughts on this. Or we are stuck in our own country forever because we're no use to the other host country? In that case i wonder how many biz people have dual/tripple nationality rights and they wander from one country to another.

This thought crossed my mind, monday morning. So decided to discuss with ya folks.

 

[sayanora]

google "perpetual travelers"

 

[Roparadise]

Depending on where your parents or grandparents were from and applicable laws, you can get citizenship of an EU nation,which allows you to live in any EU nation. There is no job requirement,just have to be able to support yourself financially.

 

[Monrox]

I have a 'triple'. For Canada you just need education; age & languages skills are nice to have. USA expects you to have a job offer last time I checked for some friends. No idea about NZ & AU but for Europe if you are highly skilled you can get a visa for an year to look for a job. If you find one, they let you stay and 6 or 7 years later you can apply for citzenship which is 99% automatically granted.

Now if you claime self-employed and are already earning enough they will accept you since it's easy tax money That's decided on a case by case basis though, only mafiotic millionaires get everything right away.

A third option is the refugee status. When such people manage to support themselves later on in the receiving country, they too are usually allowed to stay indefinitely.

And fourth is the student visa but that's a real bitch to turn into a useful permit.

 

[Roparadise]

There is also special visa's for people that have familial ties to that nation. I know that the U.K. and Italy do this,not sure about another nations.

For those Americans that have a grandparent born in Ireland,Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland both . And you wan't to live in Europe,its easier to get the Irish citizenship instead of going though the lengthy visa process.

 

[Madruga]

Step 1 : Register to an University from your country and get some good grades.
Step 2: Use the student advantage to get hired in the USA and get that visa
Step 3: After you make some money there, run, hide and don't return back
Step 4: Go to Hollywood and became famous
Step 5: Buy some cribs and luxurious cars
Step 6: Start on crack and casinos
Step 7: Lose everything and return back home
Step 8: Rinse and repeat.

 

[Roparadise]

Why is the United States about immigrating and being a hard and honest worker etc.? Whereas other nations want investors and people that can just live there and pay taxes more then hard workers?

 

[ronywilliam]

ummm... think big... think investor visa

You need like $1.2million and any country in this world would be welcoming you to there country and you would pretty much get instant citizenship! ... wayyy lower for CA etc..

 

[Roparadise]

ummm... think big... think investor visa

You need like $1.2million and any country in this world would be welcoming you to there country and you would pretty much get instant citizenship! ... wayyy lower for CA etc..

Only a few countries have economic citizenship,most investor class citizenship,just reduce the length of time it takes. Austria is the only nation in the EU that gives citizenship "instantly" for about 3 million euro investment plus about 500,000 euro in application fees.

 

[Monrox]

Only a few countries have economic citizenship,most investor class citizenship,just reduce the length of time it takes. Austria is the only nation in the EU that gives citizenship "instantly" for about 3 million euro investment plus about 500,000 euro in application fees.

Wow! Why can't citizens sell theirs? I am sure many would do it for a million or less

 

[portugalkix]

I have a 'triple'. For Canada you just need education; age & languages skills are nice to have. USA expects you to have a job offer last time I checked for some friends. No idea about NZ & AU but for Europe if you are highly skilled you can get a visa for an year to look for a job. If you find one, they let you stay and 6 or 7 years later you can apply for citzenship which is 99% automatically granted.

Now if you claime self-employed and are already earning enough they will accept you since it's easy tax money That's decided on a case by case basis though, only mafiotic millionaires get everything right away.

A third option is the refugee status. When such people manage to support themselves later on in the receiving country, they too are usually allowed to stay indefinitely.

And fourth is the student visa but that's a real bitch to turn into a useful permit.

Where did you heard about any visa needed for Europe? It's a false affirmation.

You only need a visa for UK.

But if you leave in Spain for example and want a job in France, it's very easy.

Also who said about 6,7 years and after that you can citizenship?

There aren't such things specified in any european law.

 

[Roparadise]

Where did you heard about any visa needed for Europe? It's a false affirmation.

You only need a visa for UK.

But if you leave in Spain for example and want a job in France, it's very easy.

Also who said about 6,7 years and after that you can citizenship?

There aren't such things specified in any european law.

If a person is not a citizen of an EU nation and they want to live in an EU nation,after 90 days they will need a visa. The only minmum times I know to get citizenship of an EU nation, is of Romania and they are the following:

2.5 years: Marriage to a Romanian citizen with 500,000 euro investment
4 years: 500,000 euro investment no marriage
5 Years: Marriage no investment
8 Years: No marriage and no Investment

 

[Monrox]

Yep, pretty much 99% of all grown-up foreigners in the world get their other citizenship by living and working for a set time in the desired country. It is also called naturalization. For France it is 5 years. Too lazy to search for every particular country.

Specifically for France you could also join the foreign legion and if you survive a set period of time you will be made French without much hassle.

 

[Danny1111]

your going to need substantial capital before being able to stay in a country
after a typical visa would expire

otherwise you risk legal penalties - although in all likelihood they would just kick you out if you did something bad.

if your young enough go for a student visa - those can be the longest ones

 

[synfig]

I have engineering background but working part time with non-engg company and also have IM investments which are earning me trickle of income. I didn't get job in engineering domain because my low score in final year. Another thing is that my age is 27 so i don't think risking current income and moving for education is going to be good idea for visa. Because it's hard to study when your only motivation is visa and not education especially in engineering background. I do like this suggestion but not sure what are the post graduate options for those who are getting close to 30's. I mean universities don't have age limit for post graduate studies ? So that is the reason i'm thinking about any other ways than educational visa.

 

[synfig]

I was checking the Swiss immigration and found this

From all other countries (so-called Third States) only skilled labour needed by Switzerland is admitted.
http://www.swissemigration.ch/themen/schweiz/00190/index.html?lang=en

so does that mean same applies to rest of EU nations ? also one more thing is that there is nothing mentioned about self employed candidates

 

[Roparadise]

I was checking the Swiss immigration and found this


so does that mean same applies to rest of EU nations ? also one more thing is that there is nothing mentioned about self employed candidates

They are not part of the EU,thats why their rules are different. And self employed canidates from the U.S. can move their but its rare,which means if you dont have a few millions in the bank you wont be able to move there.

Self-employment
Nationals from EU/EFTA countries
You are entitled to take up a self-employed occupation in Switzerland. In order for your permit to be extended for a period of five years, you should subsequently provide proof of the effective exercise of a self-employed occupation which enables you to cover your own living costs.
Self-employed persons from Bulgaria and Romania
As a Bulgarian or Romanian national you are permitted to carry out a self-employed occu-pation in Switzerland. In order to do so, you must register with the authorities of the com-mune in which you reside and apply for a permit for self-employment. If you can provide proof of the effective exercising of a self-employed occupation which enables you to cover your own living costs, you will be granted a permit for five years. Self-employed workers are also subject to the quotas for short-term and long-term permits until 2011.
In order to achieve this, you must as a rule present the following documents:
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proof that the foundation of the company has been correctly registered (for exam-ple, by registration in the commercial register)
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proof of a professional domicile in Switzerland (for example, a rental contract for your business premises)
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proof of your affiliation to the Old-Age and Survivors? Insurance Fund (OASI) or the Swiss Accident Insurance Company (Suva)
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proof of a regular income showing that you do not risk becoming dependent on wel-fare assistance
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bookkeeping data (interim balance, etc.)
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business plan
Self-employed European nationals lose the right to residence if they can no longer cover their living costs and become dependent on welfare assistance.
Other countries (so-called Third States)
With regard to exercising a self-employed occupation, it is extremely rare that a residence permit is issued.

 

[``Yousef]

I'm a tri-national. I've got British citizenship as I was born here, Egyptian citizenship (by rights from my father), New Zealand citizenship (by rights of my mother).

^ All that doesn't really matter though, as I want to move out to the U.S. within the next few years anyway.

 

[flexnds]

No one mentioned fiancee visa. It was a pain, about 6 to 9 months of processing and only about 600 total in fees and medical etc.. The visa itself is only 299$ I believe.. So if you want in the U.S. you'll just need to find an American to come visit you and intend to marry you within three months after you enter into the US..

 

[RankWithShelly]

Each country is different so figure out where you want to go and then figure out how to make it happen. If you want to travel long-term vs. live somewhere it's different. I'm a full-time traveler but right now I'm living in mexico and i'll get my mexican citizenship in early 2013. Once I have that I'll be buying a sailboat and continue traveling full time. Dual citizenship is great.