Massive Direct Scrapebox Blast on Brand New Website

[jhonson5]

Actually I do not know much about this; but I have read your posts and comments that helped me to understand the facts.

 

[ibmethatswhoib]

So the OP sounds like he knows what he is talking about and sincere, he has also been around for a long time, so I'm not flaming him. It just gets at me a little that most threads like this have another motive of selling a service or promoting something. I'm just wondering if his site were to drop or get sandboxed would he let us know if it affected his scrapebox list selling? Were all affiliate marketers here and I'm not against that it would just be more believable if he wasn't selling scrapebox lists. With that said, I still think he is telling the truth and will follow the thread. Thanks for sharing.

 

[bfellow]

Hey all,

Just noticed a few follow up posts that I wanted to address real quick since I have the time to right now.

Nice update. I've downloaded a 58k list of english words and started the harvest . Maybe this is a way to start the AA lookup? (+1k per letter, so it takes it's time..). And SB would only gather 1M to it's harvested panel, but I collect the total in the Harvested_Sessions dir, these are usually above 1M per letter before removing dupes (plugin DupRemove would also let you merge huge files).

1- You harvest only wordpress blogs?
2- You harvest with Google, Yahoo, Aol, Bing or All ? (I find AOL is the slower of all so only using goog+yahoo. Usually Yahoo brings in more urls than goog.. )

BTW anyone knows a way to do blogger blogs with SB?

Chaskiboom, that sounds pretty good what you are doing. It's really just about constantly harvesting. I do hate the 1M max in the harvesting panel. I've hit that several times.

As for your questions:

1) Pretty much. They are by far the biggest blog platform out there. I might start to diversify later into other blog platforms, but right now WP is working great for me.

2) I also only focus on Google and Yahoo. I get by far the best performance from those two SE's.

As for blogger blogs, I've never tried, so I can't answer that, but it would be very interesting is someone else could chip in. I'm curious.

Actually I do not know much about this; but I have read your posts and comments that helped me to understand the facts.

I'm glad that this thread could be of some assistance you to. The main goal is purely educational.

So the OP sounds like he knows what he is talking about and sincere, he has also been around for a long time, so I'm not flaming him. It just gets at me a little that most threads like this have another motive of selling a service or promoting something. I'm just wondering if his site were to drop or get sandboxed would he let us know if it affected his scrapebox list selling? Were all affiliate marketers here and I'm not against that it would just be more believable if he wasn't selling scrapebox lists. With that said, I still think he is telling the truth and will follow the thread. Thanks for sharing.

I totally understand what you are talking about. I was pretty hesitant for a while on whether to move into offering services. And the main goal of this thread from the beginning has been to simply provide an open experiment for everyone to learn something from.

The reason I decided to start to put together a service was simply because a market developed for it. I have received PM's, emails, Skype, and GTalk messages asking if I sold both services and lists. It was never my intent to go this way, but when an opportunity develops, it would be ignorant to ignore it. At the end of the day, we are all here to make money. If I have something that I can sell that makes me money and helps someone else make money, it's the ultimate win win.

The tactic I have used with this experiment was to 'blast like hell' basically. Probably not the best long term strategy and I would not be surprised at all if sandboxed. And I'd gladly share with everyone if I was because we would all learn one way not to use SB blasts.

I think anyone who uses SB knows its a powerful tool, and since I'm really catering more towards people who already have SB, I don't need to provide false information, which I know you are totally not accusing me of. But yea, I understand what you are saying. It caused initial hesitation for me as well. But people want it and I'd love to sell it, so it seemed like the natural move forward. I hope that clears up your concern.

As always, questions and comments are always welcome! Thanks!

 

[pyrogod117]

With your "cluster", do you have to manually control each scrapebox instance? Also, how many instances do you run per server? Some server specs? Just trying to get an idea of what you're really dealing with.

 

[thegovernator]

let me just give you one piece of advise, and this may concern you all:

backlinks are good yeah, you've got more than enough backlinks so it seems. but you're major mistake and probably why you will never rank within the top 3 is the fact that you haven't analysed the top3 sites for your main keyword.

 

[ibmethatswhoib]

Thanks for that, I totally agree and I would do the same.

Hey all,

Just noticed a few follow up posts that I wanted to address real quick since I have the time to right now.



Chaskiboom, that sounds pretty good what you are doing. It's really just about constantly harvesting. I do hate the 1M max in the harvesting panel. I've hit that several times.

As for your questions:

1) Pretty much. They are by far the biggest blog platform out there. I might start to diversify later into other blog platforms, but right now WP is working great for me.

2) I also only focus on Google and Yahoo. I get by far the best performance from those two SE's.

As for blogger blogs, I've never tried, so I can't answer that, but it would be very interesting is someone else could chip in. I'm curious.



I'm glad that this thread could be of some assistance you to. The main goal is purely educational.



I totally understand what you are talking about. I was pretty hesitant for a while on whether to move into offering services. And the main goal of this thread from the beginning has been to simply provide an open experiment for everyone to learn something from.

The reason I decided to start to put together a service was simply because a market developed for it. I have received PM's, emails, Skype, and GTalk messages asking if I sold both services and lists. It was never my intent to go this way, but when an opportunity develops, it would be ignorant to ignore it. At the end of the day, we are all here to make money. If I have something that I can sell that makes me money and helps someone else make money, it's the ultimate win win.

The tactic I have used with this experiment was to 'blast like hell' basically. Probably not the best long term strategy and I would not be surprised at all if sandboxed. And I'd gladly share with everyone if I was because we would all learn one way not to use SB blasts.

I think anyone who uses SB knows its a powerful tool, and since I'm really catering more towards people who already have SB, I don't need to provide false information, which I know you are totally not accusing me of. But yea, I understand what you are saying. It caused initial hesitation for me as well. But people want it and I'd love to sell it, so it seemed like the natural move forward. I hope that clears up your concern.

As always, questions and comments are always welcome! Thanks!

 

[rippy]

Do you use SB in slow mode with captcha breaking or just the fast one?

 

[daserpent]

Got a few questions :

1) What are your current serp rankings?
2) How much revenue has the website generated?
3) How many pages do you have in total? Are you adding content constantly?
4) Have you been blasting everyday? Or alternate days?

 

[donduck]

i did a mass comment on a new site and had it de indexed
so I now only do a small amount when the site is new

 

[bfellow]

Hey Everyone,

Working on a few new lists right now, so while SB does it's thing thought I would check the thread and answer a few questions.

Do you use SB in slow mode with captcha breaking or just the fast one?

For this I am just using Fast Poster mode. Just wanted to turn a fire hose on a site so I didn't want to worry about Slow Poster mode.

Got a few questions :

1) What are your current serp rankings?
2) How much revenue has the website generated?
3) How many pages do you have in total? Are you adding content constantly?
4) Have you been blasting everyday? Or alternate days?

1) For main keyword I am currently at #7 page one. Overall I am still seeing a steady upward trend. Depending on how far from #1 page one a keyword is I tend to see a 10% drift up every 3-4 days, so pretty solid.

2) For the month of May I'm looking at a little over $27 in adsense. I've seen a bit of an acceleration here lately, so will probably end at $50. I'd probably 3-4x that if I spent any real time on content. That $27 is from literally 3 articles.

3) Including tag pages, I'm at about 50 in my sitemap. Again, I really should just hire out 10-15 articles. I would definitely accelerate my traffic and revenue.

4) I was blasting every day at the beginning. I'm in the process of drilling up a new list. Right now I am dealing with a few raw lists that after merge and de-dup is over 3MM links with a fairly high number of AA. I should be able to process it all tomorrow and then I will break it down and post like a bat out of hell again.

i did a mass comment on a new site and had it de indexed
so I now only do a small amount when the site is new

I think why I got a way with it is link velocity. A single blast then nothing I think really sets of Google. If you keep the velocity up and blast, blast, blast, laying down a nice bed of links to be discovered, you'll be fine. I laid down several hundred thousand successful posts against known AA lists. Even though I haven't blasted in a few days I still get anywhere between 800-1200 new links discovered in YSE every day.

I'll have more tomorrow night PST.

As always, questions and comments welcome! Thanks everyone!

 

[etern1ty]

When you do the blasts, do you keep track of duplicate URLs? What I've noticed is if I harvest URLs from 500+ keywords, then do a mass commenting blast on these URLs, they will almost always have duplicate comments posted for my same blast. I'm just wondering if you're keeping track of duplicates because if you're doing huge blasts every so often, then I would like to know how you're getting unique URLs each time you harvest.

 

[Chaskiboom]

i did a mass comment on a new site and had it de indexed
so I now only do a small amount when the site is new

Please be more specific so we all learn how u got there..

1- amount of blasted urls/day?
2- was it auto aprove list ?
3- Have u tryed to keep blasting the site after sandbox, on an attempt to keep link velocity up..?

 

[Chaskiboom]

When you do the blasts, do you keep track of duplicate URLs? What I've noticed is if I harvest URLs from 500+ keywords, then do a mass commenting blast on these URLs, they will almost always have duplicate comments posted for my same blast. I'm just wondering if you're keeping track of duplicates because if you're doing huge blasts every so often, then I would like to know how you're getting unique URLs each time you harvest.

Hey, it's always good to remove the Duplicate URLs (option in the Remove/Filter menu).

If you are hiting auto aproves, then you dont mind comenting on many blog posts from the same domain ( you set Random picking of urls while posting, its an option.. so you never hit the same domain in a row, avoiding spam block..).

If you hit moderated blogs with higher quality comments then it's also good to use the "remove duplicate domains"" .. this will leave only 1 post from that domain and the admin will more likely aprove it. Not the same case if the guy sudently see you posted 20 comments in 1 minute..

 

[semilar]

I'm a bit confused by these results...

I, too had a domain that I blasted with SB, leading to 20k links after ONE blast, but this domain was a subdomain of a well known domain owned by another company. it worked wonders to get up for an very easy kw.

On another domain, this time my domain, brand new, nothing on the root domain but wordpress and 3 posts, I made a subdomain, forwarded it to another target, and blasted that one. But this time blast meant like 5-10 mini blasts leading to aprox 1000 live links, no more! Guess what, that domain is deindexed, and still is (6 months later). As a sidenote, the other thing I did was doing quick indexing blasts with a tool from seolr, to 31k sites... maybe that was the problem. Hmm. No idea how many of those links went live, must be some hundred though.

My gut instinct tells me to stay away from fast indexing tools, unless they are not getting picked up by google after a long time...

Now I wonder why you guys are not being deindexed. My second case should not be because of link velocity, since I made a couple of small blasts, instead of one big. I think the subdomain on the other host was protected by the other hosts link popularity.

Anyone ever thought if panda1-2-2,1 had some sort of positive effect on A LOT of links from MANY different IP's and C-Classes? Like Google wants to hunt down people getting a lot of links from a limited amount of IP's/domains.

Seems to me that getting a lot of links from the same ip's all over again rings a bell for google now (i.e. blasting with AMR multiple times, multiple times the same 5000 ip's, multiple times the same username too) while one amr blast seems not to have such a negative impact.

With blog spamming essentially we get no footprint from usernames or IP's (if done right), lot's of different IP's from different C-Classes, and the link velocity is lower (sure depending on the size of the blast) because on article directories there will be new pages created for our posts (and you can bet that many article directories instantly notify google or ping or rss feed them) while noone gives a shit about new blog comments meaning google has to find them by itself, taking up to one month until it found them all. It sounds to me as if blog comments get a "not in content" penalty and a "high obl" penalty if that is the case and lose strength but get no "oh you have only blog comments so let's ban your ass" penalty...?

Comments?

 

[ellmexicann]

One problem I've always struggled with large blasts in SB are proxies. I usually buy 4 proxies on fiverr but during harvests they always get blocked.

Is 4 proxies simply not enough? I used to use the proxy tool within SB for harvesting but now it's almost useless because it's so saturated. Any advise would be appreciated!

 

[ouchthathurts]

I just wanted to thank you bfellow for this diary you are doing, you cant put a price on this kind of information and guidance.

Has been a huge help to me

 

[DaveWolf]

Good sales topic

 

[muchacho]

One problem I've always struggled with large blasts in SB are proxies. I usually buy 4 proxies on fiverr but during harvests they always get blocked.

Is 4 proxies simply not enough? I used to use the proxy tool within SB for harvesting but now it's almost useless because it's so saturated. Any advise would be appreciated!

From what I've read and learnt: Public proxies for harvesting and private proxies for posting.

Not sure with regards to things such as Link Checking though, only harvesting and posting/commenting.

 

[ellmexicann]

From what I've read and learnt: Public proxies for harvesting and private proxies for posting.

Not sure with regards to things such as Link Checking though, only harvesting and posting/commenting.

Have you used the free public proxies for harvesting? It seems as of about a month ago, they're all junk. Out of a list of 3000+ you're literally luck to get one decent one, and one does nothing for harvesting.

 

[bfellow]

Hey Everyone,

Just a quick run through on questions and comments. Nothing new to update this morning from yesterday. Will probably do another site update on Sunday.

But for now, questions and comments:

When you do the blasts, do you keep track of duplicate URLs? What I've noticed is if I harvest URLs from 500+ keywords, then do a mass commenting blast on these URLs, they will almost always have duplicate comments posted for my same blast. I'm just wondering if you're keeping track of duplicates because if you're doing huge blasts every so often, then I would like to know how you're getting unique URLs each time you harvest.

I do de-dup my lists and then move them in a very structured manner. I'm looking for a wide spread of links, so I don't double up on pages. I've seen some pages where the same URL link was commented dozens of times. You have to wonder what that person was thinking (if he was at all) when he posted. DupRemove from the SB add-ons is great for de-duping hugh lists.

Please be more specific so we all learn how u got there..

1- amount of blasted urls/day?
2- was it auto aprove list ?
3- Have u tryed to keep blasting the site after sandbox, on an attempt to keep link velocity up..?

My bet is link velocity. You literally have to punch a whole through sandbox with links. If you fire off one little blast then do nothing, your not gaining any upward momentum and eventually you will fall back to Earth.

I'm a bit confused by these results...

I, too had a domain that I blasted with SB, leading to 20k links after ONE blast, but this domain was a subdomain of a well known domain owned by another company. it worked wonders to get up for an very easy kw.

On another domain, this time my domain, brand new, nothing on the root domain but wordpress and 3 posts, I made a subdomain, forwarded it to another target, and blasted that one. But this time blast meant like 5-10 mini blasts leading to aprox 1000 live links, no more! Guess what, that domain is deindexed, and still is (6 months later). As a sidenote, the other thing I did was doing quick indexing blasts with a tool from seolr, to 31k sites... maybe that was the problem. Hmm. No idea how many of those links went live, must be some hundred though.

My gut instinct tells me to stay away from fast indexing tools, unless they are not getting picked up by google after a long time...

Now I wonder why you guys are not being deindexed. My second case should not be because of link velocity, since I made a couple of small blasts, instead of one big. I think the subdomain on the other host was protected by the other hosts link popularity.

Anyone ever thought if panda1-2-2,1 had some sort of positive effect on A LOT of links from MANY different IP's and C-Classes? Like Google wants to hunt down people getting a lot of links from a limited amount of IP's/domains.

Seems to me that getting a lot of links from the same ip's all over again rings a bell for google now (i.e. blasting with AMR multiple times, multiple times the same 5000 ip's, multiple times the same username too) while one amr blast seems not to have such a negative impact.

With blog spamming essentially we get no footprint from usernames or IP's (if done right), lot's of different IP's from different C-Classes, and the link velocity is lower (sure depending on the size of the blast) because on article directories there will be new pages created for our posts (and you can bet that many article directories instantly notify google or ping or rss feed them) while noone gives a shit about new blog comments meaning google has to find them by itself, taking up to one month until it found them all. It sounds to me as if blog comments get a "not in content" penalty and a "high obl" penalty if that is the case and lose strength but get no "oh you have only blog comments so let's ban your ass" penalty...?

Comments?

I do think you will be penalized if you have a lot of links from the same IP class. And I agree that this is probably what is hurting AMR right now, the fact that you post again and again to the same narrow set of websites. With SB, you have links across an incredible number of IP addresses. I don't even worry about high OBL. I think that a lot of OBL will degrade the quality of the link, but will not hurt you.

One problem I've always struggled with large blasts in SB are proxies. I usually buy 4 proxies on fiverr but during harvests they always get blocked.

Is 4 proxies simply not enough? I used to use the proxy tool within SB for harvesting but now it's almost useless because it's so saturated. Any advise would be appreciated!

Definitely need more than 4 private proxies. You will get those banned quickly with heavy repetitive usage.

I just wanted to thank you bfellow for this diary you are doing, you cant put a price on this kind of information and guidance.

Has been a huge help to me

Thanks! I am glad that you found this thread helpful!

From what I've read and learnt: Public proxies for harvesting and private proxies for posting.

Not sure with regards to things such as Link Checking though, only harvesting and posting/commenting.

I've never run into a problem with link checking. I also agree that you should use public proxies for harvesting and private proxies for posting.

Have you used the free public proxies for harvesting? It seems as of about a month ago, they're all junk. Out of a list of 3000+ you're literally luck to get one decent one, and one does nothing for harvesting.

SB does need to work on this big time. I get shit for public proxies using there proxy fetcher. I scrape public proxies separately and then import those into SB any more.

Thanks all for your posts! Questions and comments always welcome!