WTF is wrong with these people? Are they that clueless?

[savvypro]

Some of what you said in Post #52 of that thread confused the hell outta me haha, but I think I get the basic idea.

So if BHW Hosting is no good, who would you recommend I use to keep all my sites separate and as under the radar as possible?

I don't have any recomendations as I've never seen SEO hosting as valid. But if you want to really implement it, then the way I would do it is describer in a different post I made (see here).

The following is a copy of the relevant bit:

Basically put, in order for SEO hosting to work they way it's sold, you'd have to host as if you had access to servers in different countries across the world. Once you get to that level of separation then we can really discuss SEO hosting - the way the idea is sold, but not implement.

I've been waiting for someone to bring up a little glaring problem with Class C usage. But as no one has brought it up I might as well put this stupid concept to death. Classful address ranges stopped being used as the means of dividing up the pool of IP address in 1994. Good luck trying to get a real class C address range today let alone 10 years ago.

From 1994 VLSM (Variable Length Subnet Masking) become the standard way of giving out IP address ranges. Now that's not to say that those who were given real class C IP address ranges stopped using them or can still allocate them today it's just very unlikely that any hosting company offering SEO hosting will actual have any real class C address ranges with a real /24 subnet mask (aka: 255.255.255.0) Which is why I wanted access to a test account to run ifconfig as that is the only way to tell.

 

[savvypro]

Wow some of those IT guys are some arrogant f*ckers. You weren't kidding Velcom. Before I found the thread that I linked to in my original post, I started my own thread asking people which SEO hosting they recommend, and look at some of these replies:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1003295

Since when is it such a crime to go to a hosting forum and ask a hosting question?

I'm sure I'll be banned after the last response I left them, but whatever, I don't plan on going back to that place.

Just read you're opening post at what, what you're currently doing is the way I would do it - just find more hosting company's. Be careful as many hosts are just front end brands. For example Hostgator owns SEOhosting.com.

Bluehost.com, hostmonster.com and Fastdomain.com, are exactly the same company - just different front end brands.

Also find out where the next potential host locate their servers. Do they run their own BGP/AS domains. Because if they do, but happen to colocate their equipment for example at the planet (where hostgator has their servers) then you should be ok. But if they use the planet's network then their may be an issue if hostgator also used "the planets" network (BGP and AS domains)

For many what I have just posted is going to be somewhat over their heads but, your hosts should be able to answer the questions (if they can't find a new one as they don't know anything about network/routing).

If anyone needs help - just let me know. Be warned: I may charge you if the reques is too complex, if it just requires a simple answer I'll wave my fee of a 1 oz .999 silver bullion/"round" coin - preferably a Canadian silver maple leaf.

 

[Supernoob]

 

[Monrox]

People, don't assume that someone writing BS is actually clueless. Confusion can be a great tool. Also provoking others often makes them divulge something they otherwise might try to obscure. Another great tool. Intelligence agencies are using these all the time.

If I was that IT guy, I'd be making money with 3rd parties already, and I guess he's already doing it if he planned to play it that way.

It may seem that IP range tricks and seo optimization is working because yes it brings results but it is pretty naive to think SEs can't track these. The reason it is working is because it requires lots of computer power to analyze all variable in order for some website to get caught. It is currently financially unfeasible to use resources for all suspects at the same time.

So they do some random sampling, say one every 10 000 websites and if busted it gets deindexed. This again brings confusion, webmasters start thinking gee, he got his wheel on the same IP subnet. So they spend more resources compensating for that while at the same time produce less new clutter. Mission accomplished in the eyes of the SEs. All while the chance of being caught remains 1:10 000.

What I am saying is if you want to spend time on absurd forum threads, use it to your advantage. Otherwise not only you're wasting your time, you also add content (making others rich) to a lost cause.

 

[J1218]

Just read you're opening post at what, what you're currently doing is the way I would do it - just find more hosting company's. Be careful as many hosts are just front end brands. For example Hostgator owns SEOhosting.com.

Bluehost.com, hostmonster.com and Fastdomain.com, are exactly the same company - just different front end brands.

Also find out where the next potential host locate their servers. Do they run their own BGP/AS domains. Because if they do, but happen to colocate their equipment for example at the planet (where hostgator has their servers) then you should be ok. But if they use the planet's network then their may be an issue if hostgator also used "the planets" network (BGP and AS domains)

For many what I have just posted is going to be somewhat over their heads but, your hosts should be able to answer the questions (if they can't find a new one as they don't know anything about network/routing).

If anyone needs help - just let me know. Be warned: I may charge you if the reques is too complex, if it just requires a simple answer I'll wave my fee of a 1 oz .999 silver bullion/"round" coin - preferably a Canadian silver maple leaf.

Alright I'll probably do that then - just spread my domains across multiple accounts like I've been doing.

So who else is a good hosting provider if I just want a basic shared hosting account? I currently use HostGator and BlueHost so it would need to be one that's not owned by them.

Hope you can waive your fee of the Canadian silver maple leaf for that one

 

[savvypro]

Alright I'll probably do that then - just spread my domains across multiple accounts like I've been doing.

So who else is a good hosting provider if I just want a basic shared hosting account? I currently use HostGator and BlueHost so it would need to be one that's not owned by them.

Hope you can waive your fee of the Canadian silver maple leaf for that one

No fee for this one.

Off the top of my head:
Dreamhost
powweb
site5 (hosted at The Planet, from a network lookup they don't run their own network e.g.: own IP address ranges, BGP and AS domains - they use The Planet's, just like hostgator)
1and1 (hosting on both sides of the pond)
certifiedhosting (I have an account with them, got it cheap on blackfriday - just $10 for the year - haven't used it yet, so can't say if their any good)
lunarpages
fatcow
hostwinds
westhost
netfirms in Canada
mediatemple - I used them for 2 years, for what they offer (the $20 a month gridserver) they are really go. *

In europe:
uk2.net
fasthosts.co.uk
ovh.co.uk/ovh.ie (French company with Datacenters in France, but can only buy if you live in the offering country - I think those in the US can buy through the Irish site. However I'm not 100% sure, so don't quote me on it).

Find some more in Canada and the rest of Europe as there are a lot more hosts out there, the ones listed above should give you basic coverage across North America and Europe.


* Only issue that I really had with mediatemple was database access on wordpress sites. When I visited a blog of mine for the first time (after the cache had been cleared) there would be a quite noticeable delay. With google now docking sites based on load time, one would need to keep an eye on it at mediatemple. Personally I don't like wordpress it's just too bloated, poorly designed. But what really gets me is the use of a database. It's a fu*king blog - a database like mysql or any database is overkill. The lightpress guys had the right idea, shame they stopped releasing the code. As their rewritten version of wordpress, could operate like wordpress mu out of the box and handle millions of users across 30 blogs on cheap old hardware - something wordpress can't do (unless it's rewritten).

 

[liquid5170]

i've just started using cclassiphosting.com and even though the support takes a while to resolve, they eventually take care of you.

if anyone has info on this to the contrary, please let me know.

 

[savvypro]

i've just started using cclassiphosting.com and even though the support takes a while to resolve, they eventually take care of you.

if anyone has info on this to the contrary, please let me know.

Do you have access to the command line, if you do - can you run the following command:

For unix/linux:

ifconfig

For windows:

ipconfig /all

And copy the output, and send it to me in a pm so that I can take a look at it, and see if what you have been sold is actually a Class C ip address.

I'll post the results here without any identifying information that could be used against you.

 

[savvypro]

On cclassiphosting.com

Domain registered: 12-nov-2009

IP address info:

cclassiphosting.com A 174.122.224.68
ns1.ariyes.org A 174.122.224.66
ns2.ariyes.org A 174.122.224.67

Hosted at The Planet, using their network/ip addresses etc.

If you go to ns2.ariyes.org/contact.php - their contact details are listed as:

B 10 12
Flora Damansara
Petaling Jaya 47820
KL, Malaysia.
Mobile : 066 0166903078
email : support (at) gogetspace.com

gogetspace.com Creation Date: 03-jan-2008

Network trace leads right back to the The Planet.

If I can do this in less than 5 minutes by hand, just think what google can do with 1 million servers, teams of engineers (who can automate what I did by hand - so can I but I'l laz...err efficient with my brain power) their own global network built on top of custom network gear. That allows their software engineers to hook straight into their operations.

Anyone used any of the uptime services, which ping your machines/ip addresses from multiple servers in multiple locations. Now give it the google twist I described (previous paragraph). Then you'll start to see why I think the "SEO hosting" concept the way it's sold is suspect.

 

[Bostoncab]

o.k. so I have also been thinking of jumping into some SEO hosting as I have domains targeted towards the same general Niche i.e. taxi . Most of my domains are targeted for specic neighborhoods but there is some keword confusion because of the way the neighborhoods are named.

Examples
southcitynametaxi.com
eastcitynametaxi.com
citynamecab.org

No matter how much I try to make it so they are not competing against each other they really are.

So What I would like to do is find 5-10 ultra cheap hosting accounts spread out as far accross the world as possible and interlink the domains and see if they get a boost.

 

[ShadeDream]

I didn't read the whole thread but LOL, it's a web hosting forum, what do you expect? And why do you even care? It's thanks to people like these that you make money and not them...

 

[J1218]

I didn't read the whole thread but LOL, it's a web hosting forum, what do you expect? And why do you even care? It's thanks to people like these that you make money and not them...

Yeah I know. I'm glad that they are so oblivious because it's less competition for us.

I just hate people who think they know everything about a subject when it's obvious that they don't and then they try and talk shit to someone that is knowledgeable in the area.

It doesn't bother me at all that they know nothing about IM and SEO, it's the fact that I and others go on the forum to ask a general hosting question, and they all talk shit to us like we're the stupid ones.

 

[Silly]

Not easy to understand all what in this post but thanks to all

 

[dannyhw]

HAHA!! I found the email he sent, then below his you can read mine! Very funny!!!

IT dickhead's email: This is a BS service. In fact, the service they provide is considered spam by all the search engines and, if implemented, would eventual result in a ban from Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc.

I HIGHLY recommend not going forward with this one.

Hope that helps,
Senior IT Dickhead

Hey let's be honest. You may spam slow and under the radar, but what you're offering is still blackhat. None of your strategy depends on any real editorial links. It's spam. That's not a bad thing, but I think you should be proud of it. The only thing he's wrong about is the idea that it's at all likely that this could result in a ban.

Anyway, IT guys are almost universally know it all idiots. If they weren't idiots they'd be doing computer science. Like that point the guy tried to make about being smarter than Google. I would never claim to be smarter than anyone at Google, but I'm smart enough to identify the technical limitations of their algorithm. What's stupid is being so ignorant about computer science that you think it's impossible that their engineers face challenges that we can exploit.

 

[xbox360gurl70s]

Never mind the geeks. is a term we occasionally use to these IT guys who think their $200 an hour talent is worth something

 

[velcom7]

Hey let's be honest. You may spam slow and under the radar, but what you're offering is still blackhat. None of your strategy depends on any real editorial links. It's spam. That's not a bad thing, but I think you should be proud of it. The only thing he's wrong about is the idea that it's at all likely that this could result in a ban.

I COMPLETELY agree with you. However, I had to give a clever response to this IT guy or else it would have been a done deal with the potential client if they really thought I was "spamming".

Clients want the benefit of the magic but don't want to know about your dirty tricks. Just like Bernie Madoff's investors...they knew something was unusual going on with their fantastic returns, but they also knew not to ask any questions.

 

[ShadeDream]

Yeah I know. I'm glad that they are so oblivious because it's less competition for us.

I just hate people who think they know everything about a subject when it's obvious that they don't and then they try and talk shit to someone that is knowledgeable in the area.

It doesn't bother me at all that they know nothing about IM and SEO, it's the fact that I and others go on the forum to ask a general hosting question, and they all talk shit to us like we're the stupid ones.

I get this type of stuff all the time in school, I see people try and talk about a subject when they don't know shit. It's so annoying yet sometimes you just got to let it go, not worth the time or energy.