DR Resolved Disobey vs andreitek

[disobeytherules]

Username: disobeytherules

Please create your Dispute title using the format in the description below. Disobey vs andreitek

Are you the buyer or seller? Buyer

What is the date the incident took place? Dec 25, 2025

What is the name of the accused? @andreitek

Did you encounter the accused on BlackHat World? Yes

Have you started a chargeback with your bank or a Dispute with the payment provider over the transaction? No

Have you contacted the accused via DM (direct message) here on BlackHat World? Yes

Have you informed the accused of the Dispute? Yes

Please add the URL (link) to the location the transaction took place here on BlackHat World.
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/telegram-promotions-mass-dms-invites-autoresponder-bot-gathering-online-users-more.1687898/#post-18965748

What product category best describes the product/service involved in your Dispute? Social Media

What is the USD amount involved in your Dispute? $100

Please describe the reason for submitting a Dispute, in detail.
I paid 100 USD for Telegram DM services. The seller confirmed payment and later claimed that all DMs were sent, but he has provided no verifiable proof despite multiple requests. I am also in the target Telegram group myself and received zero DMs, which strongly suggests the service was never delivered. He could not provide screenshots, logs, or delivery proof, and even asked for extra money just to share a member list. The only “proof” he showed was one unrelated manual message that does not demonstrate any DM campaign. Based on this, I believe the service was not completed as promised.

Please detail exactly how you have tried to resolve your issue before now.
I contacted the seller multiple times privately, asking for proof of delivery or a refund. He stalled, gave excuses, and avoided providing real evidence. I clearly explained that I received zero DMs and asked for screenshots, logs, or confirmation. No valid proof or solution was provided, so I am now submitting this dispute.

What kind of outcome are you looking for from this Dispute?
A full refund of 100 USD, since the service was not delivered and no proof of completion has been provided.

Please paste any URLs that point to evidence for your Dispute.
https://imgur.com/a/2AbQBHA

Please upload any screenshots, videos, or other document files that point to the required evidence.
(DID NOT ANSWER QUESTION)

Please confirm you have sent a DM, here on BHW, to the accused? Yes

Please confirm there has been a 24 hour period between informing the accused of the dispute and right now? Yes

Please confirm that the transaction started on BHW via DM, sales thread, WTB/HAF threads, advertisement or signature. Yes

Please confirm that you have provided evidence of the transaction via URL, screen shot or video. Yes

Please confirm that you have explained what the dispute is about, in detail. Yes

Please confirm you have added all supporting evidence to show that you have a case for a dispute. Yes

By pressing the Submit button on this form, you certify that you have completed every step.

You acknowledge that skipping any of the requirements or failing to attach evidence that supports your case could result in this Dispute not only being deleted, but your account being given a warning. Yes

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Dispute Request Approved​

Information For The Accused
@andreitek, you have 24 hours to respond to this disputes thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the dispute starter and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

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[BassTrackerBoats]

@disobeytherules - you need to post proof of the transaction.

 

[andreitek]

i have sended several proofs , i really dont understand why do you say that i have not sended any proof, i sended everything you requested. i cannot login to 1000 accounts to show you from every account , i showed database proof, i showed ui proof, i sended videos with timestamps and everything. the only think that you didnt knowed was that i used hyperlink for a better delivery rate instead of direct link as telegram block them and that will bring you 0 conversions. is not my fault that receivers could be bots or not and i cant make them click your link its their choice if they gonna click or not.


from group which you provided i was able to extract 1417 members and have dmed 1000 from that list and you say that you had 3 accounts in there which didnt received the message , which dont make sense as 417 left outside from that list..
im selling same service for almost a year and i have no dispute or negative feedback which can confirm that im legit and i also uploaded several proofs at your request every time you requested it and in a metter of minutes

 

[disobeytherules]

This is the proof of transaction.

 

[disobeytherules]

i have sended several proofs , i really dont understand why do you say that i have not sended any proof, i sended everything you requested. i cannot login to 1000 accounts to show you from every account , i showed database proof, i showed ui proof, i sended videos with timestamps and everything. the only think that you didnt knowed was that i used hyperlink for a better delivery rate instead of direct link as telegram block them and that will bring you 0 conversions. is not my fault that receivers could be bots or not and i cant make them click your link its their choice if they gonna click or not.


from group which you provided i was able to extract 1417 members and have dmed 1000 from that list and you say that you had 3 accounts in there which didnt received the message , which dont make sense as 417 left outside from that list..
im selling same service for almost a year and i have no dispute or negative feedback which can confirm that im legit and i also uploaded several proofs at your request every time you requested it and in a metter of minutes

Thank you for responding. However, I need to address the evidence you've provided:


The screenshots you uploaded are spreadsheets and database entries showing usernames and member lists. This does not prove that any DMs were actually sent. Anyone can export a member list from a Telegram group - that proves nothing about message delivery.


What I asked for - and what would constitute actual proof - is:

1. Screenshots from the sending accounts showing the sent messages in the chat history
2. Delivery logs from Telegram showing message status
3. Any actual evidence that messages left your system and reached recipients

You claim you sent 1,000 DMs, yet I was in that group with multiple accounts and received zero messages. If 1,000 messages were truly sent to a group of 1,417 members, the probability of my accounts being in the untouched 417 is extremely low.


You also mentioned using "hyperlinks instead of direct links for better delivery" - this was never discussed or agreed upon beforehand, and more importantly, it still doesn't explain why I have zero evidence of receiving anything.


Your spreadsheet shows you have a list of usernames. It does not show messages were sent. These are two completely different things.


I am requesting a full refund of $100 as the service was not delivered as promised.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

1. Screenshots from the sending accounts showing the sent messages in the chat history
2. Delivery logs from Telegram showing message status
3. Any actual evidence that messages left your system and reached recipients

@andreitek, please provide at least some of this evidence.

 

[andreitek]

 

[andreitek]

all this proof are from next day of delivery when he requested and i provided

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

View attachment 497915View attachment 497914View attachment 497912

Would you please upload that spreadsheet to mediafire and drop the link in here?

 

[andreitek]

yes ofcourse i can

https://www.mediafire.com/file/gdvx6kpzyrtn5sd/database.db/file

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

yes ofcourse i can

https://www.mediafire.com/file/gdvx6kpzyrtn5sd/database.db/file

@disobeytherules - this appears to show proof of service.

 

[disobeytherules]

@disobeytherules - this appears to show proof of service.

Hi This sheet is simply auto generated as my account who is in the group did not receive the msg. https://imgur.com/a/540AnjI

I believe a valid proof should be a screenshot from tg showing at least 30-50 msgs being sent to the targeted people.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

I believe a valid proof should be a screenshot from tg showing at least 30-50 msgs being sent to the targeted people.

@andreitek, can you show that please?

 

[andreitek]

this is what my software generates after i run it, im doing all actions thru sessions automatically, i have logged in at his request to few accounts to show proof that messages have been delivered, i also did a short video showing how the hyperlink is accessed. i can login to 50 accounts ,my ip will get flagged.

this is not okay, i showed several proofs and he stil dont want to accept them. this databases are not simply generated as i also showed proofs from few accounts. please also remove my negative review.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

this is what my software generates after i run it, im doing all actions thru sessions automatically, i have logged in at his request to few accounts to show proof that messages have been delivered, i also did a short video showing how the hyperlink is accessed. i can login to 50 accounts ,my ip will get flagged.

this is not okay, i showed several proofs and he stil dont want to accept them. this databases are not simply generated as i also showed proofs from few accounts. please also remove my negative review.

I'd like to see proof from your TG accounts, please.

 

[andreitek]

 

[PetraAnn]

bump

 

[disobeytherules]

@andreitek @BassTrackerBoats

I need to clarify two major points that are being ignored here.

1) The screenshots are still not proof of delivery
What was provided (database.db, spreadsheets, UI counters, and auto-generated logs) only shows what the software claims it did. These can be generated without any message ever leaving Telegram.

Real proof of a Telegram DM campaign is:
- Outgoing messages visible in Telegram chat histories
- The exact message text and target usernames
- Multiple sender accounts showing the same message sent

What was uploaded in post #17 is extremely limited: only a few cropped Telegram windows with no full timestamps, no recipient list, and no way to verify that these messages were sent to my extracted group list. Showing 5–8 chats does not prove a 1,000-DM campaign.

I paid for 1,000 DMs. A reasonable level of proof would be at least 30–50 full Telegram chat screenshots from different sending accounts clearly showing the same message sent to different users from the provided group list. That is the bare minimum to verify scale.

I was in the target group with multiple accounts and received zero messages. If 1,000 out of 1,417 users were messaged, the odds of all my accounts being skipped are extremely low unless the campaign was never actually run on that group.

2) The message format was changed without my consent
I explicitly provided a Telegram link to be sent.
The seller converted it into an underlined / hyperlinked anchor without asking me first.

This is not a cosmetic change. It affects:
- What users see
- Whether Telegram blocks or flags it
- Whether it is clickable on all clients

I never approved any link cloaking or anchor formatting. The seller altered the content without permission, which already means the service was not delivered as ordered.

Bottom line
- Internal databases do not equal delivery proof
- A handful of Telegram screenshots does not prove 1,000 DMs
- The message itself was altered without consent

I am requesting either proper proof (30–50 real Telegram chat screenshots from sending accounts) or a full refund.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

@andreitek @BassTrackerBoats

I need to clarify two major points that are being ignored here.

1) The screenshots are still not proof of delivery
What was provided (database.db, spreadsheets, UI counters, and auto-generated logs) only shows what the software claims it did. These can be generated without any message ever leaving Telegram.

Real proof of a Telegram DM campaign is:
- Outgoing messages visible in Telegram chat histories
- The exact message text and target usernames
- Multiple sender accounts showing the same message sent

What was uploaded in post #17 is extremely limited: only a few cropped Telegram windows with no full timestamps, no recipient list, and no way to verify that these messages were sent to my extracted group list. Showing 5–8 chats does not prove a 1,000-DM campaign.

I paid for 1,000 DMs. A reasonable level of proof would be at least 30–50 full Telegram chat screenshots from different sending accounts clearly showing the same message sent to different users from the provided group list. That is the bare minimum to verify scale.

I was in the target group with multiple accounts and received zero messages. If 1,000 out of 1,417 users were messaged, the odds of all my accounts being skipped are extremely low unless the campaign was never actually run on that group.

2) The message format was changed without my consent
I explicitly provided a Telegram link to be sent.
The seller converted it into an underlined / hyperlinked anchor without asking me first.

This is not a cosmetic change. It affects:
- What users see
- Whether Telegram blocks or flags it
- Whether it is clickable on all clients

I never approved any link cloaking or anchor formatting. The seller altered the content without permission, which already means the service was not delivered as ordered.

Bottom line
- Internal databases do not equal delivery proof
- A handful of Telegram screenshots does not prove 1,000 DMs
- The message itself was altered without consent

I am requesting either proper proof (30–50 real Telegram chat screenshots from sending accounts) or a full refund.

@andreitek, please address this post.