Cloaking High Risk Payment Processor - IPTV - UK LTD

[runitup_]

Hello.

We have been using Stripe to process orders with cloaking, after PayPay (also terrible and shut down within a few payments). Stripe stays live without issues but the radar rejects 80% of transactions.

Our cloaking setup is flawless so there is no issues with that.

We would like to use a high risk payment processor, and cloak that instead for a bulletproof setup. Since high risk payment processors will not work with IPTV as it is illegal, we can cloak it instead.

Question: What would be the best high risk payment processor to cloak and which accepts UK registered LTDs? Or should we go offshore?

Stripe IPTV problem (which I commented on similar thread):

"The reason for it, is that in IPTV customers are going straight to checkout. In other niches, they are browsing and adding to cart. I believe the radar is picking up on quick checkouts and blocking them as one of it's tracking parameters.

What it means, is that even if you're running hot ad traffic to a drop shipping offer of some high conversion, you're payments will fail. This is actually in the open and why it's a sh*t payment processer. The whole point of business is to convert your customers as quickly as possible. To have an honest offer with low chargeback rates afterwards, that risk should be on the merchant.

The only checkouts that work with Stripe in my experience, are the ones where the customers add to cart, but don't pay immediately. This emulates retail browsing activity to Stripe's radar.

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Stripe and their "radar" system is terrible. Speaking to support is like speaking to a wall. They will not turn off the radar. The customers can even go through 3D secure and their radar still rejects it.

Only aged/volumed Striped accounts can turn off the radar."

 

[bogdan25]

Hello,

You missed the main point of the radar.

You wrote a lot of nonsense right there.

The radar from Stripe is used to background check the behaviour of the owner in the.past likr chargebacks, refunds or even fraud that were made with that card, in the end the radar keeps you safe from a lot of troubles.

But since you do illegal activity you will attract illegal business for sure.

It doesn't have anything to do with the fast checkout but you made me laugh so hard.

Good luck

 

[runitup_]

Hello,

You missed the main point of the radar.

You wrote a lot of nonsense right there.

The radar from Stripe is used to background check the behaviour of the owner in the.past likr chargebacks, refunds or even fraud that were made with that card, in the end the radar keeps you safe from a lot of troubles.

But since you do illegal activity you will attract illegal business for sure.

It doesn't have anything to do with the fast checkout but you made me laugh so hard.

Good luck

It's not nonsense - it's logic. But like Stripe, you clearly don't think logically.

You are correct about those parameters, but those aren't the only parameters they look at. So if you are going to comment, you should at least provide a comprehensive analysis of how it works. There are over 15 default rules.

Are you part of Stripe's team by any chance?

We have switched payment processor. Our customers do not charge back.

Your reply - is nonsense.

Laugh, I will have the final one.

 

[bogdan25]

In your opinion it makes sense and i understand.

Good luck mate.

 

[Nut-Nights]

Go with some russian high risk merchants, but you will face a issue with support. They do last longer as compare to other options.

 

[Martinjones]

Let me know which one you are using right now, I am also looking for a high risk payment processes for a long time. but still could not be able to find one apart from stripe

 

[runitup_]

In your opinion it makes sense and i understand.

Good luck mate.

Objectively, Stripe declines 80% of customers transactions, most of which are normal people just trying to pay.

Anyone who goes and checks out later on after speaking to us gets blocked.

Anyone who comes through Google and takes their time most often succeeds.

10%/20% will be chancers/scammers who will do a chargeback - and those people which we refund anyway before it becomes a dispute (that's a cost of business).

You're the one with the opinion here. I'm just writing observations and drawing logical conclusions. Which may or may not be correct. Either way, Stripe doesn't work for us.

What you're saying is Processer A (Stripe) - Radar Block - Radar Block - Radar Block - Radar Block | Processor B - Success (later chargeback) - Success (chargeback) - Good Success (chargeback) Success (chargeback).

No, statistically it isn't the case for us. Stripe is blocking legitimate transactions.

When Stripe started playing up we even gave some individuals their products up front, entrusting them to pay later when we had a processing solution in place. And guess what, they paid later. But Stripe's Radar blocked them. They certainly aren't fraudulent customers otherwise they wouldn't have paid later.

In supports words. Radar is "very sensitive".

Others face similar issues with say 3 year old clients. What I am saying is that Radar is terrible for business.

Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Let me know which one you are using right now, I am also looking for a high risk payment processes for a long time. but still could not be able to find one apart from stripe

There has to be sacrifices. I'm not sure what the best way to get your messenger is, without breaking any rules?

Go with some russian high risk merchants, but you will face a issue with support. They do last longer as compare to other options.

Any reputable ones in particular? DM me if possible.

Trusting processors found on Google/forums is half the problem, as half of them have some pretty bad stories.

We have a couple integrated solutions now but they're not perfect.

 

[bogdan25]

Objectively, Stripe declines 80% of customers transactions, most of which are normal people just trying to pay.

Anyone who goes and checks out later on after speaking to us gets blocked.

Anyone who comes through Google and takes their time most often succeeds.

10%/20% will be chancers/scammers who will do a chargeback - and those people which we refund anyway before it becomes a dispute (that's a cost of business).

You're the one with the opinion here. I'm just writing observations and drawing logical conclusions. Which may or may not be correct. Either way, Stripe doesn't work for us.

What you're saying is Processer A (Stripe) - Radar Block - Radar Block - Radar Block - Radar Block | Processor B - Success (later chargeback) - Success (chargeback) - Good Success (chargeback) Success (chargeback).

No, statistically it isn't the case for us. Stripe is blocking legitimate transactions.

When Stripe started playing up we even gave some individuals their products up front, entrusting them to pay later when we had a processing solution in place. And guess what, they paid later. But Stripe's Radar blocked them. They certainly aren't fraudulent customers otherwise they wouldn't have paid later.

In supports words. Radar is "very sensitive".

Others face similar issues with say 3 year old clients. What I am saying is that Radar is terrible for business.

Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your day.

When you are so technically oriented 99% you miss the main point.

Indeed the radar is sensitive and it takes a lot more factors into consideration but that doesn't mean that your clients can't use suspicious credit cards.

I am telling you this from my own experience: i had clients,.old clients that have used other people's credit cards.

Hope you will find your long term solution, but my advice is to move to legal activities.

Stay safe.

 

[runitup_]

When you are so technically oriented 99% you miss the main point.

Indeed the radar is sensitive and it takes a lot more factors into consideration but that doesn't mean that your clients can't use suspicious credit cards.

I am telling you this from my own experience: i had clients,.old clients that have used other people's credit cards.

Hope you will find your long term solution, but my advice is to move to legal activities.

Stay safe.

Yes, probably so.

I am running a successful legitimate company, but the margins of this business and MRR compounding is very appealing compared to it. Which is also pretty lucrative, but not as lucrative.

Quick game vs Long game.

I am however seeing that the benefits after costs, frozen funds, processor headaches, and the potential for money laundering and fraud/unlicensed charges if making a few million may not be so great.

At least with taxed funds you can sleep easy and spend/invest how you like.

I am staying safe as possible, and doing everything through SSH, but maybe I should really re-evaluate,

I told myself I won't be doing it for long, but it soon becomes a different story.

 

[Venusaur]

Stealh paypal account, stealth stripe account...
Russian ones? There was frekassa, try them, not sure with they will accept you
Cryptomus or NowPayments for crypto

 

[shijin]

I personally wouldn't waste time with UK-based processors for IPTV, offshore saves you future headaches

 

[TheConsigliere]

Hello.

We have been using Stripe to process orders with cloaking, after PayPay (also terrible and shut down within a few payments). Stripe stays live without issues but the radar rejects 80% of transactions.

Our cloaking setup is flawless so there is no issues with that.

We would like to use a high risk payment processor, and cloak that instead for a bulletproof setup. Since high risk payment processors will not work with IPTV as it is illegal, we can cloak it instead.

Question: What would be the best high risk payment processor to cloak and which accepts UK registered LTDs? Or should we go offshore?

Stripe IPTV problem (which I commented on similar thread):

"The reason for it, is that in IPTV customers are going straight to checkout. In other niches, they are browsing and adding to cart. I believe the radar is picking up on quick checkouts and blocking them as one of it's tracking parameters.

What it means, is that even if you're running hot ad traffic to a drop shipping offer of some high conversion, you're payments will fail. This is actually in the open and why it's a sh*t payment processer. The whole point of business is to convert your customers as quickly as possible. To have an honest offer with low chargeback rates afterwards, that risk should be on the merchant.

The only checkouts that work with Stripe in my experience, are the ones where the customers add to cart, but don't pay immediately. This emulates retail browsing activity to Stripe's radar.

---

Stripe and their "radar" system is terrible. Speaking to support is like speaking to a wall. They will not turn off the radar. The customers can even go through 3D secure and their radar still rejects it.

Only aged/volumed Striped accounts can turn off the radar."

Most “high risk” processors already know IPTV when they see it, cloak or not, so you’re just burning trust.

Offshore banks in LatAm/Asia still take UK LTDs, fees suck but funds stay yours.

Outta the box trick split IPTV as an addon to a safe prod so gateway sees mixed activity, lasts way longer.

 

["Devansh Dutt "]

Yes, Stripe’s Radar is brutal for IPTV , even legit sales get flagged. Quick checkout patterns are a nightmare for their algorithm.

 

[Taineram]

Stealth PayPal or Stripe to accept credit cards + Cryptomus to accept crypto payments + CC Bill, Easy Pay Direct or any other high-risk payment processor if they accept you

 

[runitup_]

Mods didn't want to lock this thread but I am not running this business anymore. Post to advise others.

 

[blackpay]

Stripe stays live without issues but the radar rejects 80% of transactions.

This usually happens when Stripe cannot collect enough data for Stripe Radar, or when the information sent to Stripe is incorrect (e.g., address, ZIP code, country, etc.). Have you tried using Stripe Payment Links?