Reddit posting stopped working for me past week or so.

[cmqwer0]

Perhaps - we've decided to just stop our accounts from commenting and letting them browse in the meantime.

Thanks for the tip on entering from Google Search - it does substantiate our hypothesis that we have yet to test. After all, Google Search does have recaptchav3 on it and I suspect having more than just 1 site associated with the recaptcha cookie number makes it more human like.

If things don't improve after the election, we will probably have our accounts (browser profiles) spend some time on other sites with recaptchav3 to accmulate some activities there before heading to reddit.

What do you think though?

If they do not lower their current anti bot system, we will need to extra creative in order to appear "human" in google/reddit eyes. Though this is not an easy task as you are pretty much fighting a anti bot system trained for 6 years on bilions of users/interactions.

Things I have noticed that increase v3 scores are the following:
Being logged into gmail account while using reddit or even better creating account with gmail though this is literally unsustainable for bigger amount of bots/accounts. But that like massively increases score I was getting consistent 0.7 and 0.9 scores while being logged opposed to 0.3 and sometimes 0.7 while not being logged in google account.

Using chromium based browsers or even plain google chrome. This one also helps with v3 scores though it is a double edged sword as you are being way more tracked on it then on for example firefox. But helps with captchas as I am getting better scores on v3 and it shows less v2 captchas when scrolling the web.

Quality IPs. Unfortunately on VPNs I am consistently getting low scores even if I scroll on other webpages with recaptcha and go from google search I rarely get score above 0.1.
While when I am using 4g US mobile proxies I at start get 0.7 score or even 0.9 though it diminishes as time goes (not sure why yet).

I am still testing stuff and this is only what I concluded in my own limited research/testing in the previous 3 weeks so do not take it as definitive I may be wrong about it.

 

[pegasusborn]

If they do not lower their current anti bot system, we will need to extra creative in order to appear "human" in google/reddit eyes. Though this is not an easy task as you are pretty much fighting a anti bot system trained for 6 years on bilions of users/interactions.

Things I have noticed that increase v3 scores are the following:
Being logged into gmail account while using reddit or even better creating account with gmail though this is literally unsustainable for bigger amount of bots/accounts. But that like massively increases score I was getting consistent 0.7 and 0.9 scores while being logged opposed to 0.3 and sometimes 0.7 while not being logged in google account.

Using chromium based browsers or even plain google chrome. This one also helps with v3 scores though it is a double edged sword as you are being way more tracked on it then on for example firefox. But helps with captchas as I am getting better scores on v3 and it shows less v2 captchas when scrolling the web.

Quality IPs. Unfortunately on VPNs I am consistently getting low scores even if I scroll on other webpages with recaptcha and go from google search I rarely get score above 0.1.
While when I am using 4g US mobile proxies I at start get 0.7 score or even 0.9 though it diminishes as time goes (not sure why yet).

I am still testing stuff and this is only what I concluded in my own limited research/testing in the previous 3 weeks so do not take it as definitive I may be wrong about it.

No I totally hear you.

I really think IP is not the contributing factor right now. That's why I brought up how my new accounts on browsers I actually use worked, even though these were always on VPNs.

ReCaptchaV3 assessments would cost reddit money ($0.001 per assessment at least?), and perhaps Reddit just decided to pay for more assessment during this pre-election period. Reddit does use recaptcha enterprise - have a look at the cookies loaded and all and you'll see it. Pricing is here: https://cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/compare-tiers.

Its also interesting that Enterprise offers "11 levels" for "Bot score granularity".

If I am reddit, i wouldn't rely as much as I used to on IP addresses. Too many real users using VPN, and too many fake ones using residential proxies (especially given how residential proxies are just getting cheaper and cheaper).

Would be very curious to see how people increase recaptcha scores.

How do you check your recaptcha scores btw? We just use some free sites that we found online.

 

[cmqwer0]

No I totally hear you.

I really think IP is not the contributing factor right now. That's why I brought up how my new accounts on browsers I actually use worked, even though these were always on VPNs.

ReCaptchaV3 assessments would cost reddit money ($0.001 per assessment at least?), and perhaps Reddit just decided to pay for more assessment during this pre-election period. Reddit does use recaptcha enterprise - have a look at the cookies loaded and all and you'll see it. Pricing is here: https://cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/compare-tiers.

Its also interesting that Enterprise offers "11 levels" for "Bot score granularity".

If I am reddit, i wouldn't rely as much as I used to on IP addresses. Too many real users using VPN, and too many fake ones using residential proxies (especially given how residential proxies are just getting cheaper and cheaper).

Would be very curious to see how people increase recaptcha scores.

How do you check your recaptcha scores btw? We just use some free sites that we found online.

Well to be honest those tests with recaptcha scores were being done on those free websites you mentioned, that is why there are only 4 levels 0.1 0.3 0.7 0.9. I am sure we used the same websites so not 100% sure if those are as accurate as their enterprise package v3. Though I seem to get less banned while using plain chrome and gmail logged into it.

As for reddit you are probably right. A lot of people use VPNs but reddit was limiting users who are using it. Not sure if they still do it today, but back in 2021 or 2022? not sure exactly they stated in a /r/announcements (that was before /r/reddit became place for all news) that while using VPNs is okay and not prohibited they will be "closely monitoring" and rate limiting their accounts to prevent ban evasion and misuse. So potentially while using VPN you may be more prone to bans.

The thing that I am concerned about is google-reddit partnership signed in early 2024, where google gets exclusive rights to mine reddit data for use in training their LLMs. Since then they have gradually upped their anti bot measures by rate limiting and blocking requests to reddit even more than before. I am worrying that they have signed a deal where google provides free v3 and millions of dollars (60 milion $ if I read correctly) to reddit in exchange for data.

But if not then you are most certainly right about this being a temporary state and that they will not be able to keep up with the costs and may revert to basic v3 or even back to v2.

Interesting thing I also noticed is that accounts made like till end of september are working fine for me. Only accounts made from start of october are getting flagged/banned more easily. It does make sense for the to monitor newer accounts more intensely now to prevent interference and mass media bombardment of narrative contrary to the one that they are pushing.

Thank you for sharing info about those v3 packages, I am getting more confident in it being a temporary measure opposed to permanent one.

 

[dlyhai]

I use data centre proxies - a different one for each account.
Yes, anti-detect. Each account retains its cookies and fingerprint (perfect canvas noise). But since this is a bot, the anti detect browsers like gologin ixbrowser dolphin etc wouldn't work - these are designed for use by human.
Each time one account is on (after surfing and upvoting and interacting randomly), it will generate random number 1 to 5. If number is 1, it will proceed to 2nd part of script which is to comment.
Yeap. each account 2 to 3 times. 80 threads run concurrently so 80 accounts are live at any point.

hope this clarifies - i'm replying given your status as an elite member.

Not here to share specifics of how we do this - but to discuss our observations on reddit bans since mid october.

Thanks, very detaied answer, people said data centre proxies don't work now, but you still use it for your accounts, and it works great for you, so i will also try data centre proxies to see how it works.

 

[wowthatsher]

Obviously, using mobile IPs and incognito might not be enough anymore as their algorithms can still detect these patterns. Have seen this issue so much in these recent times. I suggest its best to use aged accounts and try to make more natural engagement over time, or just consider using a high quality proxy and try to rotate your posting habits to avoid being detected.

 

[Mark Eternal]

Ensure your account is in good standing. If you've received any warnings or suspensions, that might affect your ability to post.

 

[pegasusborn]

Thanks, very detaied answer, people said data centre proxies don't work now, but you still use it for your accounts, and it works great for you, so i will also try data centre proxies to see how it works.

Our accounts browse on Reddit for an hour before making a comment. Might want to keep that in mind.

 

[pegasusborn]

Well to be honest those tests with recaptcha scores were being done on those free websites you mentioned, that is why there are only 4 levels 0.1 0.3 0.7 0.9. I am sure we used the same websites so not 100% sure if those are as accurate as their enterprise package v3. Though I seem to get less banned while using plain chrome and gmail logged into it.

As for reddit you are probably right. A lot of people use VPNs but reddit was limiting users who are using it. Not sure if they still do it today, but back in 2021 or 2022? not sure exactly they stated in a /r/announcements (that was before /r/reddit became place for all news) that while using VPNs is okay and not prohibited they will be "closely monitoring" and rate limiting their accounts to prevent ban evasion and misuse. So potentially while using VPN you may be more prone to bans.

The thing that I am concerned about is google-reddit partnership signed in early 2024, where google gets exclusive rights to mine reddit data for use in training their LLMs. Since then they have gradually upped their anti bot measures by rate limiting and blocking requests to reddit even more than before. I am worrying that they have signed a deal where google provides free v3 and millions of dollars (60 milion $ if I read correctly) to reddit in exchange for data.

But if not then you are most certainly right about this being a temporary state and that they will not be able to keep up with the costs and may revert to basic v3 or even back to v2.

Interesting thing I also noticed is that accounts made like till end of september are working fine for me. Only accounts made from start of october are getting flagged/banned more easily. It does make sense for the to monitor newer accounts more intensely now to prevent interference and mass media bombardment of narrative contrary to the one that they are pushing.

Thank you for sharing info about those v3 packages, I am getting more confident in it being a temporary measure opposed to permanent one.

I was worried about such a partnership - had no idea that they signed that already. I can see Google providing preferential rates or free v3 assessments. Would have to see how things are after the election i suppose.

 

[JM24]

Can't complain myself.
Bought arround 50 accounts during the past 2 weeks and am commenting on all of them.
Till now only one suspended

 

[allen_d99]

Interesting thing I also noticed is that accounts made like till end of september are working fine for me. Only accounts made from start of october are getting flagged/banned more easily. It does make sense for the to monitor newer accounts more intensely now to prevent interference and mass media bombardment of narrative contrary to the one that they are pushing.

In my case, 80% of my accounts made 6 months ago got banned on first comment too. They were not used, they were just made 6 months ago, but only logged in for the first time a few days ago.

Can't complain myself.
Bought arround 50 accounts during the past 2 weeks and am commenting on all of them.
Till now only one suspended

Interesting. Did you comment on all of them 2 weeks ago? The accounts where the first comment is like 10 days ago are fine in my case, only those I started in the last week or so get banned on first comment

Morale of the story, they've been relying increasingly more on ReCAPTCHA v3 for the past month or two but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you do have the time to just kind of mimic human actions a little bit like scrolling or sending an upvote or moving you mouse around the screen then you're almost guaranteed to not get flagged.

Adspower has a tool called cookie robot, which visits a list of websites and collects cookies automatically. Most other anti-detect browsers also offer this feature. Do you think that would be helpful to increase recaptcha v3 score?

 

[lucax3]

In my case, 80% of my accounts made 6 months ago got banned on first comment too. They were not used, they were just made 6 months ago, but only logged in for the first time a few days ago.


Interesting. Did you comment on all of them 2 weeks ago? The accounts where the first comment is like 10 days ago are fine in my case, only those I started in the last week or so get banned on first comment


Adspower has a tool called cookie robot, which visits a list of websites and collects cookies automatically. Most other anti-detect browsers also offer this feature. Do you think that would be helpful to increase recaptcha v3 score?

Honestly, I've seen accounts with 10-20 comments banned recently, accounts that had been posting for a few months.
Has anyone seen any improvements today?

 

[JM24]

In my case, 80% of my accounts made 6 months ago got banned on first comment too. They were not used, they were just made 6 months ago, but only logged in for the first time a few days ago.


Interesting. Did you comment on all of them 2 weeks ago? The accounts where the first comment is like 10 days ago are fine in my case, only those I started in the last week or so get banned on first comment


Adspower has a tool called cookie robot, which visits a list of websites and collects cookies automatically. Most other anti-detect browsers also offer this feature. Do you think that would be helpful to increase recaptcha v3 score?

no am commenting all the time.Even bought more this week and all are fine

 

[VisualA]

I have four bots posting everyday for the last two months. No bans.

I use DolphinAnty and Iproxy, my code is python/playwright.

However I inject a high degree of randomness into my code. Elements to consider:

1: Possible click counting. If an account clicks the same number of times.

2: Possible navigation recording. If an account steps through the same path of links every time.

3: Possible pause watching. If an account pauses for the same length of time at specific pages.

4: Possible cookie activity, as some one else mentioned.

Knowing Reddit, I don't think they would ban accounts they were not 100% sure were botted. If they create the wrong criteria, something like that could quickly spiral out of control and ban hundreds of thousands of users across their entire site.

This is why I have gone to such lengths to inject human navigation behavior and insane amounts of randomness into my code. Even the 'Open image in new tab' is sometimes used because I want reddit to think I am just REALLY REALLY loving the image on this thread. Sometimes it even clicks on ads or follows a link on r/news to a news site and proceeds to scroll up and down the article.

Something I am doing seems to be paying off. Perhaps it is iproxy.

 

[dlyhai]

I have four bots posting everyday for the last two months. No bans.

I use DolphinAnty and Iproxy, my code is python/playwright.

However I inject a high degree of randomness into my code. Elements to consider:

1: Possible click counting. If an account clicks the same number of times.

2: Possible navigation recording. If an account steps through the same path of links every time.

3: Possible pause watching. If an account pauses for the same length of time at specific pages.

4: Possible cookie activity, as some one else mentioned.

Knowing Reddit, I don't think they would ban accounts they were not 100% sure were botted. If they create the wrong criteria, something like that could quickly spiral out of control and ban hundreds of thousands of users across their entire site.

This is why I have gone to such lengths to inject human navigation behavior and insane amounts of randomness into my code. Even the 'Open image in new tab' is sometimes used because I want reddit to think I am just REALLY REALLY loving the image on this thread. Sometimes it even clicks on ads or follows a link on r/news to a news site and proceeds to scroll up and down the article.

Something I am doing seems to be paying off. Perhaps it is iproxy.

I have four bots posting everyday for the last two months. No bans.

I use DolphinAnty and Iproxy, my code is python/playwright.

However I inject a high degree of randomness into my code. Elements to consider:

1: Possible click counting. If an account clicks the same number of times.

2: Possible navigation recording. If an account steps through the same path of links every time.

3: Possible pause watching. If an account pauses for the same length of time at specific pages.

4: Possible cookie activity, as some one else mentioned.

Knowing Reddit, I don't think they would ban accounts they were not 100% sure were botted. If they create the wrong criteria, something like that could quickly spiral out of control and ban hundreds of thousands of users across their entire site.

This is why I have gone to such lengths to inject human navigation behavior and insane amounts of randomness into my code. Even the 'Open image in new tab' is sometimes used because I want reddit to think I am just REALLY REALLY loving the image on this thread. Sometimes it even clicks on ads or follows a link on r/news to a news site and proceeds to scroll up and down the article.

Something I am doing seems to be paying off. Perhaps it is iproxy.

Can you post with link?

 

[pegasusborn]

So, I've been experimenting with different recaptchav3 scores.

I noticed that recaptchav3 updates are made when:
a. you visit the home page (the recaptcha action is "homepage")
b. you visit a post (the recaptcha action is "post_detail")

Specifically, recaptchav3 updates are not visible (at least I did not spot them) when:
a. visiting a subreddit
b. upvoting/downvoting

I also noticed that there are no recaptcha updates when making a post or comment, even though the account gets banned depending on the recaptcha score 5 seconds after that. Probably, reddit calls for an assessment on their backend based on the recaptcha cookie.

I made something like 20 posts. I noticed that accounts that made the posts with recaptcha of 0.7 and above do not get banned. The post might get removed automatically by reddit though.

accounts with 0.3 and below (0.1) gets an immediate ban.

I check recaptcha score on https://antcpt.com/score_detector.

I found that recaptcha score increases when clearing a recaptchav2. The way I've triggered this is to visit Google.com and run a search. If the recaptcha score is 0.3 or below (even with quality residential IP that is not detected on ipinfo.io), you will get thrown a recaptchav2 (check box and clicking images of cars etc) before the search is process. Once you clear the recaptchav2, click on few search results spend some time browsing and recaptcha score will increase by one level usually.

I don't know what Reddit did - it is probably relying on recaptcha scores alot more. I think recaptchav3 has been around for a long time (i never really paid attention since it didn't really matter before October), but it seems to matter a whole lot more now.

I suppose time will need to be spent increasing recaptchav3 score - I'm researching and testing more automated ways.



If anyone has a clue - hope you guys can share openly as I have here. Its quite sad to see BHW turn into a forum of cryptic answers and peddling of services - hope it can become a forum to help marketers/botters share their research and time again.

 

[moonshine7000]

I have four bots posting everyday for the last two months. No bans.

I use DolphinAnty and Iproxy, my code is python/playwright.

However I inject a high degree of randomness into my code. Elements to consider:

1: Possible click counting. If an account clicks the same number of times.

2: Possible navigation recording. If an account steps through the same path of links every time.

3: Possible pause watching. If an account pauses for the same length of time at specific pages.

4: Possible cookie activity, as some one else mentioned.

Knowing Reddit, I don't think they would ban accounts they were not 100% sure were botted. If they create the wrong criteria, something like that could quickly spiral out of control and ban hundreds of thousands of users across their entire site.

This is why I have gone to such lengths to inject human navigation behavior and insane amounts of randomness into my code. Even the 'Open image in new tab' is sometimes used because I want reddit to think I am just REALLY REALLY loving the image on this thread. Sometimes it even clicks on ads or follows a link on r/news to a news site and proceeds to scroll up and down the article.

Something I am doing seems to be paying off. Perhaps it is iproxy.

You mean posting content on your own subreddit

 

[pegasusborn]

Ensure your account is in good standing. If you've received any warnings or suspensions, that might affect your ability to post.

Chatgpt?

 

[pegasusborn]

In my case, 80% of my accounts made 6 months ago got banned on first comment too. They were not used, they were just made 6 months ago, but only logged in for the first time a few days ago.


Interesting. Did you comment on all of them 2 weeks ago? The accounts where the first comment is like 10 days ago are fine in my case, only those I started in the last week or so get banned on first comment


Adspower has a tool called cookie robot, which visits a list of websites and collects cookies automatically. Most other anti-detect browsers also offer this feature. Do you think that would be helpful to increase recaptcha v3 score?

might be stating the obvious, but I think only Google Analytics or Google Recaptcha cookies might be relevant

 

[macdonjo3]

Meh, I'm at steady 0.9 recaptcha score and bans can still be a problem.

 

[VisualA]

You mean posting content on your own subreddit

No, I do a variety of high population subs. Each bot is designed to record all suggested subs (typically from the front page) and chose one at random to browse and/or upvote. For posts and comments, however, they are very targeted. My bots do not post or comment unless specifically instructed to. This is mixed in with "normal routines" in the hope that they will stay under the radar.

So, for example:

I see something on reddit that should be replied to. A redditor asks a question. I will then get the unique ID of the reddit comment and pass it to my 'Director Bot' (centralized bot launching program) and give it the instruction to reply to X comment with Y statement and then assign Z upvotes. What will happen is that the director bot will then choose an account and give it a special instruction to... (during the course of its normal routine) navigate itself to that sub/thread/comment, pretend like it just found this comment on accident and leave Y reply.

Then, over the course of the evening, as other bots stumble in one at a time, they will locate the comment that was left and upvote it (and/or reply with their own statement).

Its all about looking natural.