MisterGemini
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Doofollow Vs NoFollow Backlink
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homenet
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I have to ask... which post?
lol, that message was posted to one of my blogs and thought it would kind of fit the theme of the thread since were talking about nofollow/link spam etc
MisterGemini
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It really depends on the link density of the sites you are getting links from.
It is generally understood, suppose 1 page is a PR1 and has 50 outgoing links from that page.
That means the amount of PR you will receive in general would be 1/50.
That's a really small slice. If all the sites are like that, then your site STILL would NOT become a PR1.
You would need a minimum of 50 PR1 sites linking to yours only if the link density on their pages was 50 links per page in my example.
So yeah, keep building the PR d0follow links if you really want that PR, but like I said before, there are varying factors like the density per page that are just not worth the time trying to figure out. Just keep building the links.
danhoff
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nofollow links work. I did many scrapebox blasts for my abandoned sites, which hadn't moved in SERPS for weeks. After i had finished the blast, sites started to move up .
Don't spam pages with 1 000 links to viagra p0rn etc. Pick clean WP blogs, write nice comments, blast and wait.
. Don't spam pages with 1 000 links to viagra p0rn etc. Pick clean WP blogs, write nice comments, blast and wait.
RankWithShelly
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I got the same for my first site. I never did any promo. It had maybe 10 backlinks generated from others and it was a PR3.
Micallef
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"nofollow is an HTML attribute value used to instruct some search engines that a hyperlink should not influence the link target's ranking in the search engine's index. It is intended to reduce the effectiveness of certain types of search engine spam, thereby improving the quality of search engine results and preventing spamdexing from occurring."
Wikipedia
"Nofollow is method (introduced in 2005 and supported by multiple search engines) to annotate a link to tell search engines "I can't or don't want to vouch for this link." In Google, nofollow links don't pass PageRank and don't pass anchortext"
"Nofollow links definitely don't pass PageRank. Over the years, I've seen a few corner cases where a nofollow link did pass anchortext, normally due to bugs in indexing that we then fixed. The essential thing you need to know is that nofollow links don't help sites rank higher in Google's search results"
Matt Cutts
Wikipedia
"Nofollow is method (introduced in 2005 and supported by multiple search engines) to annotate a link to tell search engines "I can't or don't want to vouch for this link." In Google, nofollow links don't pass PageRank and don't pass anchortext"
"Nofollow links definitely don't pass PageRank. Over the years, I've seen a few corner cases where a nofollow link did pass anchortext, normally due to bugs in indexing that we then fixed. The essential thing you need to know is that nofollow links don't help sites rank higher in Google's search results"
Matt Cutts
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MisterGemini
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I don't know where to begin with all the things wrong with citing Matt Cutts as the authority on matters about web spam. Note I said 'on matters about web spam'. The only truth he ever revealed regarding spam, was that they approach the issue of spam from a psychological warfare approach by making the process so frustrating and costly to the spammer, he gives up. What would be more frusrating than not being able to get anything but d0follow links?
It's like going to Hitler and asking to explain to us the nature of the Jewish people. He is going to give you the version that suits his wants/needs.
Or asking big tobacco to give us the answer on cigarettes causing lung cancer.
You won't get the truth.
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Micallef
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Yeah he's not an ideal source I agree - but that doesn't make his statements undoubtedly incorrect.
I am willing to accept the mild possibility of type / pattern signals having a macro rank effect e.g. looking for & rewarding the presence of normal social bookmarking behaviour at certain times in a site's life cycle. This might tick some sort of "bonus box" for Google and award a higher trustrank to the website. It's an idea that is worth some thought.
Nofollow links do not pass PR or anchor text. There is no juice or relevancy in a nofollow link.
A standard backlink is like plugging a power-booster into your site. A nofollow backlink is like plugging a rubber booster into your site - google may see it but it sure isn't passing any direct power.
Further to this, I believe that the distortion effect of counting nofollow links from all the common sources such as blogger comments and facebook etc outweighs the possible benefits of "ticking off a box" for normal-looking site behaviour.
VictoriaXavier
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****************,**************** not nofollow:cat3:
charles457
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In easy terms do follow means that google counts it and no follow means google doesn't count it for link juice.
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MeAmRussian
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^^ThisYou got 90% right, but just one small word missing in this is the difference that is confusing you and everyone else. You said above that when Google gets a nofollow they take it as:
"I cannot vouch for this link. Please do not include it in your ranking calculations for the target site as it is not my personal vote for this website"
What it SHOULD read is this:
"I cannot vouch for this link. Please do not include it in your PAGE ranking calculations for the target site as it is not my personal vote for this website"
This is only a message sent to Google on behalf of the SITE OWNER. Google does NOT ignore the voice of the end user.
The nofollow wasn't as much about eliminating spam links so much as it was eliminating the manipulation of the PR system. Since then though, they have used this to help separate the standards by which they rank information both in it's import and timeliness. Sadly, I don't expect they will be coming out with a 1-10 TrustRank bar this time around with the new recent updates to tell us how we are TrustRanking the same way we are Page Ranking
You are absolutely right about nofollow not contributing the PR. However, you are absolutely wrong that Google ignores these links and regards them as spam. All links are signals. Nofollow, as you have already stated comes from users, that means, its a SOCIAL SIGNAL. You don't think Google will pay attention to what users are linking about? Of course they do.
What is necessary though is having a variety of content, comment, social link elements pointing to your site from a variety of sources. What would be ideal in looking natural? Just take a look at what happens in the media or with celebs, and how stuff there rises to the top of Google at record speeds, then can drop off.
A hype story, becomes #1 for a few weeks for a particular popular social source, then disappears leaving behind only the news releases. The nofollows beat out the follows in these instances. However, if the source ALSO has the d0follow links along with the social links, they will remain #1 and almost unstoppable.
Think of your link campaign as the release of information:
1. Your new site/page goes up
2. Broadcast in social networks is made (usually by you, they expect that, it's what any decent business would do)
3. People pickup on it and start to link it themselves via the typical sources like social bookmarks, comments, blog posts etc. Nofollow links come flowing in. You get super excited because now you see yourself in the top 5 of google
4. Site owners pickup on your page now, and start to create posts/sites about it and create d0follow linking to your site within content. Parasite hosts, article dir, anywhere else you can get d0follows at this stage.
This is how something would naturally progress, so just build links in the same sequence when you launch your site.
Google would then see your site/page as the most relevant to that keyword as stated both by the people, and by webmasters (at least thats how it appears
Rinse and repeat 3 and 4 now ongoing and your site is just going to continue to dominate. D0follows indeed help you get anchored in the top SERPS, but you need the approval of the nofollow social masses also. Google DEFINITELY wants to see a healthy ratio of both.
Logically speaking, I really don't think Google completely ignores nofollow links. Since it started in 2005, I'd say much of today's link are nofollow. If Google and others were to ignore them, I'd say they'd miss 85% of the internet's web content.
And the fact that Matt Cutts said they ignore it does NOT mean this is true. Think about it... Google is trying to prevent spamming. Would they create the nofollow link and then say "Yeah we created nofollow but it still gives SOME link juice" or would they just say "Nope it's no good"? It can't be that they completely ignore it. Sure, they might use nofollow links differently in their algorithm, but it still has some weight nontheless, maybe in sheer volume or something.
MisterGemini
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Semper Fi!
This is part of what I was trying to illustrate. It's part of the psychological warefare put on by Matt Cutts/Google.
Props to the reasoning mind of MeAmRussian!
beatuplunchbox
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Here is what I have noticed regarding NF backlinking: Blog comments and forum posts are mostly worthless in affecting serps. Bookmarking to nofollow sites like twitter etc. usually causes me to gain some low PR d0follow links from aggregation services that appear on other sites. They are always temporary and usually appear as "related posts" on other blogs and such but when indexed usuall cause a little movement in the serps.
Sources like wikipedia are also distributed to other sites that do not employ the nofollow tag. Basically I have always noticed this after doing bookmarking blasts, and the Serps boost comes from temprary but natural d0follow links.
Sources like wikipedia are also distributed to other sites that do not employ the nofollow tag. Basically I have always noticed this after doing bookmarking blasts, and the Serps boost comes from temprary but natural d0follow links.