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Doofollow Vs NoFollow Backlink

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by jason2009, May 26, 2010.

  1. jason2009

    jason2009 Senior Member

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    Hey guys,
    Whats your opinion about Doofollow Vs Nofollow backlink.

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    • How much nofollow backlink is equal to 1 Doofollow backlink ?
    • Is nofollow backlink help to gain google PageRank ?
    • what is better 5PR nofollow backlink Vs 0PR Doofolllow Backlink ?

    Please share your comment about Doofollow Vs nofollow......(Doo-->Do).....:rain:
     
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    lolz, anyway answer of your question as people say nofollow has no value, I think opposite. I am reluctant to make lot of do-follow for any blogs of mine. Instead I try to blend them to look natural. It's very bad if we have any of our productive blog deindexed or move down in search engines.
    5PR nofollow is any-day heavier than 0pr ****************. A nofollow link from any authority site is as powerful as high pr **************** backlink.
     
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    1. There is no such thing as d0follow, only the absence of the nofollow tag.

    2. Nofollow links are not taken into account when Google is calculating your search rank. This is beyond reasonable doubt.
     
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    Thanks brother for your helpfull information
     
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    If you go on providing with only do follow links for you website than certainly that will not look too natural .Therefor no follow backlinks are also that much important to search engines as do follow links. This is just my view.
     
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    His information is incorrect. Nofollow links have no benefit with regard to Google rank.
     
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    you can increase your PR with nofollow backlinks, tested and working, i got PR3 on my site after 2 months of using scrapebox (only wp comments, they are 95% nofollow). If your main site has high PR, then your fresh added posts (in wp cms for example) are higher in serps
     
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    Which is true
     
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    This is how it all comes together (today):

    1. ALL LINKS MATTER | All Links Matter | all links matter

    2. D0follow has an impact on your PR rankings. We all know that this is just one minor element relating to your SERPs.

    3.Nofollow has an impact on your social signaling to Google. Meaning your site is being shared by social networks. the Nofollow has become the defacto for identifying links that would be passed in social networking circles.

    The weight between D0follow and nofollow as far as ranking goes, IS THE SAME if all other things are equal. i.e. html markup, surrounding content, page element location, number of links on page, etc.

    The comment above about nofollows passing PR is incorrect. Even if 5% of his links were D0follow, it could have indeed resulted in a PR3 ranking.The other nofollow links I am certain are contributing to his SERPs just as well.

    So remember 1 2 3. :)

    Now go build!
     
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    Thanks for your helpful tips.Have you any idea,How much Backlinks give me PR 1 from PR 0......Just your imagination,How much give me PR 1 :bubblegum
     
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    depend upon the quality of your link may be 10 or it may be 100.
     
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    1. Google's main problem is keeping its link-vote dependent search results free of spam.

    2. Artificial links e.g. comments are the main way that spammers can manipulate search results.

    3. Google invented the nofollow tag so that webmasters could tag user generated links. A webmaster using the nofollow tag is saying to Google:

    "I cannot vouch for this link. Please do not include it in your ranking calculations for the target site as it is not my personal vote for this website"

    4. NoFollow's original objective, making spammers "not bother spamming as it won't help anyway", has failed because a) autospam tools spam nofollow and **************** and b) myths still circulate about nofollow helping you rank.

    It makes no sense to say that nofollow links help you rank. Google doesn't want users to artificially create links to pump up their serps. Nofollow is a great way of identifying the easiest link sources like wordpress comments.

    It is simply not in Google's interests to take nofollow links into account.
     
  15. simit

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    OK shit man...here's the deal. I have a client, he needed to rank for some artsy term...he was NO WHERE to be found on the first 8-10 pages in Google for "yada yada prints"...it took ONE wikipedia link (no follow) and about 5-6 other do follow links...he's now middle of page 1 on google....I suspect it'll take another 10-30 links to move his ass up.....BUT bottom line, that NOFOLLOW link from wikipedia helped his ass.

    Just cuz it's nofollow doesn't mean that Google isn't noticing that it's THERE....they're just not following it or passing linky love juicey juice.

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    You need both, all do-follow really is for is increasing PR, and all good PR for really is if your gonna sell links on your site. Plenty of low to no PR sites outrank high PR sites all the time. And yes it won't look natural if all you links are do-follow, I'd do a 50/50 of each.
     
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    You got 90% right, but just one small word missing in this is the difference that is confusing you and everyone else. You said above that when Google gets a nofollow they take it as:

    "I cannot vouch for this link. Please do not include it in your ranking calculations for the target site as it is not my personal vote for this website"

    What it SHOULD read is this:

    "I cannot vouch for this link. Please do not include it in your PAGE ranking calculations for the target site as it is not my personal vote for this website"

    This is only a message sent to Google on behalf of the SITE OWNER. Google does NOT ignore the voice of the end user.

    The nofollow wasn't as much about eliminating spam links so much as it was eliminating the manipulation of the PR system. Since then though, they have used this to help separate the standards by which they rank information both in it's import and timeliness. Sadly, I don't expect they will be coming out with a 1-10 TrustRank bar this time around with the new recent updates to tell us how we are TrustRanking the same way we are Page Ranking :)

    You are absolutely right about nofollow not contributing the PR. However, you are absolutely wrong that Google ignores these links and regards them as spam. All links are signals. Nofollow, as you have already stated comes from users, that means, its a SOCIAL SIGNAL. You don't think Google will pay attention to what users are linking about? Of course they do.

    What is necessary though is having a variety of content, comment, social link elements pointing to your site from a variety of sources. What would be ideal in looking natural? Just take a look at what happens in the media or with celebs, and how stuff there rises to the top of Google at record speeds, then can drop off.

    A hype story, becomes #1 for a few weeks for a particular popular social source, then disappears leaving behind only the news releases. The nofollows beat out the follows in these instances. However, if the source ALSO has the d0follow links along with the social links, they will remain #1 and almost unstoppable.

    Think of your link campaign as the release of information:

    1. Your new site/page goes up
    2. Broadcast in social networks is made (usually by you, they expect that, it's what any decent business would do)
    3. People pickup on it and start to link it themselves via the typical sources like social bookmarks, comments, blog posts etc. Nofollow links come flowing in. You get super excited because now you see yourself in the top 5 of google :)
    4. Site owners pickup on your page now, and start to create posts/sites about it and create d0follow linking to your site within content. Parasite hosts, article dir, anywhere else you can get d0follows at this stage.

    This is how something would naturally progress, so just build links in the same sequence when you launch your site.

    Google would then see your site/page as the most relevant to that keyword as stated both by the people, and by webmasters (at least thats how it appears :cool:)

    Rinse and repeat 3 and 4 now ongoing and your site is just going to continue to dominate. D0follows indeed help you get anchored in the top SERPS, but you need the approval of the nofollow social masses also. Google DEFINITELY wants to see a healthy ratio of both.
     
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    That's the best defence of nofollow I have seen on BHW, bravo.

    This does not, however, mean that your theory is correct.

    I haven't done a mass controlled trial of nofollow links and serp changes, I don't have the resources. I had to make a decision about where I stand regarding nofollow, without hard evidence. We all have to do this.

    Though you make some really good points, I am still not convinced that nofollow helps in rank.

    A friend of mine studies computer science at Cambridge University. Last month, Google paid a visit and gave a lecture on what they're looking for, the problems they face etc. Guess what they talked about the whole time? Linkspam, linkspam, and more linkspam. It's a big thorn in their side.

    I have weighed up the social signal recognition benefits vs. the disruptive effect of extremely easy linkspam from sources which are now nofollow.

    What you say about Google looking for the presence of SN links in the launch of a site is interesting though, I have to admit. Maybe they do check for their presence in the beginning, and mark it down as more natural behaviour. Food for thought.

    One last thing - I always steer well clear of nofollow links, and I do not have issues getting my sites ranked.
     
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    It all depends on how many d0follow PR sites you get links from. I couldn't give you a definitive number as the quality of links would differ in their context considerably along with their link density per page.

    Bottom line on getting PR is if you want it, find d0follow link sources from sites that have PR. The less links are on the page you get the link on, the more PR will come to your site.

    Don't make getting PR your entire priority though. If you do a link campaign that is big enough you are sure to get some PR sites with d0follow in the mix that will get your PR up. What you really want is more and more and more links from any place you can get them in quality areas. As one other guy noted above as an example of a quality nofollow link would be wikipedia. Many quality properties out there have nofollow as part of the setup because they are social hubs.

    Good luck with your efforts.
     
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