(Resolved) @aiwnjoo vs @EdgarLiceaga

[aiwnjoo]

Proof that the transaction began on BHW

https://www.blackhatworld.com/conversations/openai-2500-credit.30239002/#convMessage-34743697
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Summary of Dispute: (In roughly five sentences or less, concisely go over the issue.)

He want to buy openai account of $2500 credit. I give account first because he is jr vip and active bst thread. but he took account and not paying me $300

Evidence of the Issue: (Post screenshots or video evidence of the issues you encountered with the other party)

https://www.blackhatworld.com/conversations/openai-2500-credit.30239002/#convMessage-34743697

What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: (State whether you wish to receive a refund or a replacement)

Payment of $300

(Optional) Additional Information: (If you need to go over the issue in more detail, please use this section to describe it)

after taking account he added 2mfa and then moved credit to new account and now he is not paying me.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Dispute Request Approved​

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[EdgarLiceaga]

I never scam anyone and will never will. I wanted to resell but the buyer failed to pay. I had included MFA to secure the account and I removed it when I see that the buyer does not pay. I inform the seller and I told him I did not scam him.
Unknowingly to me, I had clicked the invite link and I thought i can only redeem that credit until I provided personal data.
Meanwhile I was driving and I told the seller to give me 2 hours to get to my destination.
In lesser than 30 minutes, he filed a dispute.

Well, I will send the account details to him now or better still ask him to redeem the credit by inviting him back to the account.

Thanks.

 

[aiwnjoo]

I never scam anyone and will never will. I wanted to resell but the buyer failed to pay. I had included MFA to secure the account and I removed it when I see that the buyer does not pay. I inform the seller and I told him I did not scam him.
Unknowingly to me, I had clicked the invite link and I thought i can only redeem that credit until I provided personal data.
Meanwhile I was driving and I told the seller to give me 2 hours to get to my destination.
In lesser than 30 minutes, he filed a dispute.

Well, I will send the account details to him now or better still ask him to redeem the credit by inviting him back to the account.

Thanks.

What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: (State whether you wish to receive a refund or a replacement)

Payment of $300

I not sure you want to resell or what because you first ready for escrow with some other forum person and if we do that escrow then? when you release payment?

I believe you because your are jr vip and active bst here so i gave you account first.

Things goes again wrong when you asked for actual accounts after invite. I provided you actual account of credit and you added 2mfa there

now you pretended to give that back after using API?

Please pay me my $300 thanks

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

Just like I said, I am a seller, I intend to resell, I never asked you to drop account first you offered that.
That's not a problem though. I have asked you to send invite email through message. And you will gain the access. Y9u can check the history if I have had access to the api or ever created one.

Bro I donr engage in such deals.

I do not sell, or use api.
You can not force the purchase. Simply send your email for invite then we can end this unnecessary rift.

 

[aiwnjoo]

Y9u can check the history if I have had access to the api or ever created one.

and who will check api used or not?

first post screenshot here of api page

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Simply send your email for invite then we can end this unnecessary rift.

@aiwnjoo - please send the email and lets progress from there.

 

[aiwnjoo]

@aiwnjoo - please send the email and lets progress from there.

[email protected]

please ask user to send me fast. If he dont want account then why keeping that?

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

I have sent you invite

 

[aiwnjoo]

I have sent you invite

@BassTrackerBoats he used some credit and now no one will buy that used account from me

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

In this case, I have never used the credit. I guess you are the one that used the credit.
How do I know?
You claim I used the api when I have never done an5hing with the account. I was on the road driving through the entire day before I responded to this dispute.
2. That that amount was used does not stopp3d anyone from buying in fact it increases the chance of trust in such account. I sell ass accounts with credit and SES. Buyers appreciate when a little amount of the credit given is being used.
Lastly, I never use that credit and will never cheat on anyone. What do I stand to gain?

I am too busy to be involving in this kind of thing.
I think you are setup to make trouble because I do not see any reason for all this issues.

 

[aiwnjoo]

In this case, I have never used the credit. I guess you are the one that used the credit.
How do I know?
You claim I used the api when I have never done an5hing with the account. I was on the road driving through the entire day before I responded to this dispute.

I am selling openai credit and i will use my own credit so no one will buy that. why you keept account for more than 48 hour?

2. That that amount was used does not stopp3d anyone from buying in fact it increases the chance of trust in such account. I sell ass accounts with credit and SES. Buyers appreciate when a little amount of the credit given is being used.

ses is different that refill daily with 50k email

on openai once credit used that is useless.

I am too busy to be involving in this kind of thing.
I think you are setup to make trouble because I do not see any reason for all this issues.

yes you are too busy involving on this things but you are not busy when you claim you took account for resell.

You took account nd used for 48 hour and used credit there and then return.

why you used credit if you dont want to buy?

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

I am selling openai credit and i will use my own credit so no one will buy that. why you keept account for more than 48 hour?


ses is different that refill daily with 50k email

on openai once credit used that is useless.

yes you are too busy involving on this things but you are not busy when you claim you took account for resell.

You took account nd used for 48 hour and used credit there and then return.

why you used credit if you dont want to buy?

I dont use the credit. You do.

 

[aiwnjoo]

I dont use the credit. You do.

are you serious?

i gave you account with $2500 credit and you return with $2467.37

that is small amount but my buyer will not buy that used account.

you are responsible for that account. You dont want to buy then why you took account?

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

Like I said, I don't use the credit.
1. I don't have the means to use the credit.
2. I did a voice note to you that I am driving.
3. You did not give me account for 48hours

 

[aiwnjoo]

I gave you account on 30 august 6:03 AM



You gave account back today 1 august 3:01 am

So you are driving since 41 hours?

I gave you account because i believe that your are jr vip and active bst.

Mod: I will wait for your final decision but again that account is useless because he used account. :-(

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

You are just manipulating facts.
1. You gave me access on 30th. I checked and I confirm it has credit.
2. I responded within 1 hour that the buyer failed to pay.
3. I have left home before the buyer failed to pay
4. I did a voice note to you while driving for safety purpose that you should hold on and let me get to my destination. Then before I get to destination you have create ld a dispute.
5. Then I need time to return to desktop to see your claim that I took ownership of the account which was true and find means of transferring the ownership back to you.

Stop lying man.

 

[aiwnjoo]

You are just manipulating facts.
1. You gave me access on 30th. I checked and I confirm it has credit.
2. I responded within 1 hour that the buyer failed to pay.
3. I have left home before the buyer failed to pay
4. I did a voice note to you while driving for safety purpose that you should hold on and let me get to my destination. Then before I get to destination you have create ld a dispute.
5. Then I need time to return to desktop to see your claim that I took ownership of the account which was true and find means of transferring the ownership back to you.

Stop lying man.

so you are driving 43 hours ? and dont found any way to return account?

i am saying same i gave account on 30 august 6:03 AM

and return that with used account on 1 August 3 am

that is 42 or 44 hours hours

that is not issue you left notes etc


1. You gave me access on 30th. I checked and I confirm it has credit.

ok good atleast you confirmed that

2. I responded within 1 hour that the buyer failed to pay.

you responded after 6 hours that buyer fail to pay. That time you revealed you took for resell. I immediately told you to send account back but you didn't sent that. You sent that back after 44 hour approx.

3. I have left home before the buyer failed to pay

for 44 hours

4. I did a voice note to you while driving for safety purpose that you should hold on and let me get to my destination. Then before I get to destination you have create ld a dispute.

again its 44 hours time

5. Then I need time to return to desktop to see your claim that I took ownership of the account which was true and find means of transferring the ownership back to you.


Issue is that you used credit.


If account is unused and you took that for 1 week there is no issue. I am happy to take back without issue. but you used credit

 

[EdgarLiceaga]

What A funny man You are. I gave the account back that time because that it took the intervention of @BassTrackerBoats before you accept to send the invite. And I send the invite immediately I coke online.
Any other lies?

@BassTrackerBoats, the guy have some similarities with a scammer that took my aws account in my last dispute. He is setup to scam. Only time will tell.

 

[aiwnjoo]

@BassTrackerBoats, the guy have some similarities with a scammer that took my aws account in my last dispute. He is setup to scam. Only time will tell.

What is this now?

setup of scam?

You come to me for buying. I didnt sent you message
We are about to use escrow but you are jr vip so i ready to send account ownership first
After 6 hour you denied buying because you are just reseller. I was ok with that and asked you to send account back. but you didn't sent that back.
Now after 44 hour you sent account back with used credit

who setup scam here?

that took my aws account

so you want to took my account free?