(Resolved) Dispute: @Synapses v. @serkankoca1071

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  • Proof that the transaction began on BHW: (Submit a link to a post or conversation showing that this issue began on BHW)
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a...-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/page-8#post-16164945
  • Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution: (Submit a screenshot of you informing the other party here)
They approved the dispute. They are not solving the problem.

Proof of Contact: (Submit screenshots showing that you have tried every reasonable form of contact such as emails, Skype, support tickets, etc)
https://prnt.sc/8ebBpnTayByF

Proof of Transaction: (Proof that you purchased the product or service (i.e., a service agreement or an order receipt)
https://prnt.sc/8Mxx_Pcc-gAW
https://prnt.sc/2rl-9u877iLj

  • Summary of Dispute: (In roughly five sentences or less, concisely go over the issue)
I purchased the program on March 20, 2023..At first the program was running smoothly.the data appears in the search console and the bridge mode was working.but then the software started to stop working.
After a while they released the upper version.
They want an annual fee for the ATB V2 version.
https://prnt.sc/_1VaEbPrqBwp
**I think they closed the features of the program to sell the new version**
Why should I pay, I don't want to pay. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE IT FOR A LIFETIME
V 1.7 does not work. It lost its old features.
https://prnt.sc/xFf7eqPva1In
They released V2 directly without going to V 1.8 and they are asking for money.
They don't solve my problem
Other people complain that the program has lost its features.

Proofs:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-users-discussions.1537729/
https://prnt.sc/bkogZ1-r9c1_
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/page-15
https://prnt.sc/SC-FqcXFMKw6
https://prnt.sc/3im190nWSNIf
https://prnt.sc/pbaPm0rm5zld

  • Evidence of the Issue: (Post screenshots or video evidence of the issues you encountered with the other party)
https://prnt.sc/KkhwJPEtZW0q
https://prnt.sc/v-EVsIKI_dxL
This bridge mode used to show different cities, now it doesn't work.
https://prnt.sc/LEzf-VJd4qiS
https://prnt.sc/QsL0YonOHXFY

  • What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: (State whether you wish to receive a refund or a replacement)
  1. They should contact the software manufacturer, return our rights and provide an update. I demand that they make V1.7 version as trouble-free as it used to be.
  2. If they do not want to make V1.7 version work, I demand the right to update to V2 for free.
  3. If they do not do these, I demand that the sale be removed from the marketplace.
 
Dispute Request Approved

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@Synapses, you have 24 hours to respond to this disputes thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the dispute starter and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

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Hello,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

We're actually surprised by the fact that users can open a dispute even 17 months after purchase. Most marketplaces and financial institutions, like Amazon, eBay, and PayPal, have a limit of 6-9 months. How are we expected to resolve a dispute for a client who has used our services continuously for 17 months? This doesn't appear to be fair.

Regarding the user's concerns:

1. The user bought the application at a large discount on March 20. All lifetime versions include only 6 months of free support, after which a new license key is needed. Despite the agreement, this user kept sending support requests even after the support period ended. When he didn't get free support, he started blackmailing us with negative reviews, disputes, etc. Here's some of the emails and chats we received from the user after clearly stating that the support period has expired:
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2. The free support period is clearly stated on our website, as shown here. Obviously, there's no company in the world—and can't be—that offers lifetime application access, lifetime new features & updates, and lifetime support as this user expects!
https://web.archive.org/web/20230322070816/https://dalga.dev/product/awesome-traffic-bot/

3. We never promised new updates and features for lifetime buyers. We are only responsible for providing the features available at the time of purchase. The user can't demand additional versions, features, or support.

4. The bridge mode was never meant to generate IPs from other ISPs and locations. We clearly stated that IPs are generated by the ISP and are suitable for "Local SEO." This is clearly mentioned in the sale thread and our website descriptions:
https://prnt.sc/QsL0YonOHXFY

https://web.archive.org/web/20230322070816/https://dalga.dev/product/awesome-traffic-bot/
"These were the unique ways that we have developed to change the IP without needing to buy a proxy or VPN. These methods will be an excellent choice for a local SEO!"

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/
"ATB uses your ISP for changing IP!! It means IPs are completely clean & pure, and unlimited."

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/post-14545378https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/post-14547990

We've also stated it in the FAQ of our product's page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230322070816/https://dalga.dev/product/awesome-traffic-bot/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240520174619/https://dalga.dev/faq/awesome-traffic-bot/34/

5. There are no ongoing issues with the application (V1.7.6.4). Although we didn't promise new features, we released many after his purchase without charging him. He initially bought version V1.6.8, and we have released over 8 versions and patches since then. The changes log is available on our product's page.

6. Version 2 of the application has been redesigned and offered as limited plans with features for enterprise users. We haven't limited his lifetime access to what he's purchased, and version 1.7.6.4 is totally functional; the user agents and vital fingerprints are getting updated daily and are still usable, though it doesn't have new features. The users can also willingly convert their license key to the new subscription plan and use more enterprise-tailored features.

https://dalga.dev/awesome-traffic-bot-2-0-is-coming-soon/

7. We've blocked him from purchasing new services from us since a long time ago. We're not interested in any further transactions or communication with this client after all the trouble they've caused now and then. So, definitely forcing him to purchase a new service is not a valid claim. If he's interested in using our other services, we're not interested in providing them any.

8. The user has been using the bot almost daily, even on days he was complaining about it. He's used and activated the bot on more than 3 devices over time. We can attach all the access details if it's asked and necessary, as it includes personal information we're not doing it now.

9. Version 1.7.6.4 is statically compiled, and we don't have access to it and the core functions. His claim is false and seems to be an attempt to get free support or access to a new subscription plan by the excuses of "make V1.7 version as trouble-free as it used to be".

10. They are totally free not to pay any fees for extra services. We are also free not to provide any services outside the promised scope.

11. I'm unsure what resolution we can offer for a user who has already cost us significantly. 17 months of constant usage, server updates, maintenance, and numerous support inquiries already far exceed the value of what he paid. However, we can offer one thing as a resolution:

We can provide the same version and license key the client uses so a verified moderator can check the functionalities and confirm whether it's working. If the application works, we will permanently ban his access to the application and our website as compensation for the trouble and time spent on this case.

If the application doesn't work, we'll accept the loss and refund the user. The user can then enjoy their gone 17 months of free access. They'll still be banned from making any new purchases.

If you, the BHW team, and the accuser accept this offer, we can proceed with this solution.

If the user doesn't accept this, please feel free to proceed with any necessary actions.


Best Regards,
 
https://prnt.sc/EXeINndRW8RH
No successful work could be done for 17 months
I'm not the only one saying this. Check the dates.
https://prnt.sc/CJF5cQFCTd22
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-users-discussions.1537729/
https://prnt.sc/blxjyajzdMnR
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/page-15

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https://prnt.sc/lfQqRIy9tW8i
After the free support ended, the program stopped providing the features it promised.
https://prnt.sc/GAZ82z91hlxB
I don't remember blackmailing you. You are trying to divert the subject with such statements. The subject is not free support.

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https://prnt.sc/gnDK9V45RDdN

you have to give lifetime updates.I have a question for you?
I had v1.6 version.
I also have v1.7 version I got the update
Why did you give updates to two versions?

https://prnt.sc/FERg14gYNBCO :)

You switched to v2.0 before v1.8 and v1.9 were released.You provided updates to other versions for free to users!!!!
https://prnt.sc/xFf7eqPva1In
There are other people who are angry about this issue. Proof
https://prnt.sc/51bGtKQSNkVg
https://www.facebook.com/DalgaDevCo
If you check the facebook page you will see people getting angry at posts after v2.0 because they didn't upgrade.
https://prnt.sc/yHy_quwuqRlB

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https://prnt.sc/w-BZ23o4ZeQT
Why was the upgrade to v.1.7 made free after v1.6? Many updates were free.
https://prnt.sc/JazS0qpju8MK

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https://prnt.sc/nlYqAp6DguHG
Bridge mode used to work. Now it doesn't work, it only detects the IP address of the city I live in.my city BURSA
https://prnt.sc/KCiRBHy6gTtO

It used to be like this, representatively
https://prnt.sc/QhB0hUQ4oyOX
It used to show different cities and Google Search Console data was burning. Now it doesn't work.
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https://prnt.sc/AaWoofEa4Ge2
No work - Please check the dates
https://prnt.sc/CJF5cQFCTd22
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-users-discussions.1537729/
https://prnt.sc/blxjyajzdMnR
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/page-15

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https://prnt.sc/P-BgGrpx3nvi
No work

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https://prnt.sc/NnSYIvXt5CGP
I don't want to answer that :)

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https://prnt.sc/g0a9tGctEf9E
Yes, I use the program. But it doesn't work as it used to. I test it over and over.

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https://prnt.sc/QtKc3btOOdIg
I don't want free support
I think it is not an excuse, it is a program that was previously working and it is ineffective. I think it is to sell the new version.
YES + OF COURSE = "make V1.7 version as trouble-free as it used to be".

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https://prnt.sc/Fcry7kTdbfpN
I have unlimited usage and lifetime updates. Why did you update from v1.6 to v1.7?
https://prnt.sc/fswz0jAV-XKV

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https://prnt.sc/QteOwB5zEJpF
The version I use can be used by an independent moderator. No problem. But I don't trust you. Will the install file I installed and the ones I downloaded be the same as the moderator?

https://prnt.sc/uFLzGJWuabTL
As far as I remember this folder was full. Why is it empty now?
Will the moderator have the same files that I will have?

What do you say to those who say the program has stopped reporting and claims it is not working?
https://prnt.sc/blxjyajzdMnR
https://prnt.sc/CJF5cQFCTd22

Final
The vendor is trying to distract us from the issue by mentioning support requests and making us forget that the program is not working.I don't have any support requests.

"make V1.7 version as trouble-free as it used to be" Restore the program to working condition with all its features as before or provide a free v.2 upgrade.My request is final.

https://prnt.sc/hOochmRjZZG4
 
We answered to all your claims in the last post. Not going to cycle around again.

We have more than 50 clients from BHW and +500 ATB 1 users. Much more positive reviews posted in the thread showing the performance of the application. You found a total of 2 posts to support your claims, one which did not even use the bot and got a refund due to IP expenses.

We’re also not going to explain why the log folder in the application is empty!! Simply because you did not turn on the debug mode! You better find another excuse for your claim.

You thus seem to agree with the solution we suggested. After a moderator approval, we will post the same version to a moderator, and, if the functionalities are confirmed, you will completely lose access to the application and our website.


@AlwaysAlan
We've said what's to be said. This is not going to end and will cycle forever.

Please check the answers and decide what to do.

Best Regards,
 
We answered to all your claims in the last post. Not going to cycle around again.

We have more than 50 clients from BHW and +500 ATB 1 users. Much more positive reviews posted in the thread showing the performance of the application. You found a total of 2 posts to support your claims, one which did not even use the bot and got a refund due to IP expenses.

We’re also not going to explain why the log folder in the application is empty!! Simply because you did not turn on the debug mode! You better find another excuse for your claim.

You thus seem to agree with the solution we suggested. After a moderator approval, we will post the same version to a moderator, and, if the functionalities are confirmed, you will completely lose access to the application and our website.


@AlwaysAlan
We've said what's to be said. This is not going to end and will cycle forever.

Please check the answers and decide what to do.

Best Regards,
@AlwaysAlan
OK I agree
*Moderator please use bridge mode
*Where does traffic come from google analytics?
*Does Google Search Console reflect?
*I want to compare the installation files that the moderator has with my files
 
@AlwaysAlan
OK I agree
*Moderator please use bridge mode
*Where does traffic come from google analytics?
*Does Google Search Console reflect?
*I want to compare the installation files that the moderator has with my files
Bridge mode requires specific requirements that a moderator should verify. It's not available in many tier 1 and advanced countries and has been replaced by newer technologies.
You don't seem to even read or care about the answers mentioned. The bridge mode works as expected per your own statement. We have clearly stated that it is for Local SEO and does not generate IPs from other ISPs or locations. Proof has been provided above. Whatever else you were seeing or expecting is simply not our concern. You can go and check with your ISP and ask them why they were giving IPs from other locations.
The bridge mode should generate IPs from your Local, Bursa, which is doing it in your case.

Other functionalities can definitely be checked by the moderator.
4. The bridge mode was never meant to generate IPs from other ISPs and locations. We clearly stated that IPs are generated by the ISP and are suitable for "Local SEO." This is clearly mentioned in the sale thread and our website descriptions:
https://prnt.sc/QsL0YonOHXFY

https://web.archive.org/web/20230322070816/https://dalga.dev/product/awesome-traffic-bot/
"These were the unique ways that we have developed to change the IP without needing to buy a proxy or VPN. These methods will be an excellent choice for a local SEO!"

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/
"ATB uses your ISP for changing IP!! It means IPs are completely clean & pure, and unlimited."

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/post-14545378https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/awesome-traffic-bot-without-using-vpn-proxy.1345341/post-14547990

We've also stated it in the FAQ of our product's page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230322070816/https://dalga.dev/product/awesome-traffic-bot/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240520174619/https://dalga.dev/faq/awesome-traffic-bot/34/
 
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used to produce rope.istanbul ankara antalya kocaeli cities..
Traffic from these cities was visible in Google Analytics and Search Console.
Moderator can decide. I don't get involved anymore.tactics bla bla
 
@serkankoca1071 - you don't have a leg to stand on here.

Stop sending abusive messages to the seller, in fact stop sending them anything.

Resolved in favor of @Synapses.
 
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