Dispute: @aw1212 v. @DIgital_Hub

[aw1212]

Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution:

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Proof of Contact:

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We'r estill talking to each other but unable to resolve the issue.

Summary of Dispute:

• On December 25th, I bought a business Paypal account which was provided smoothly, PayPal, Email, Online Banking (Unable to use) was provided
• There's only 1 issue with it; no bank account was linked to the Paypal account.
• On January 14th, I tried logging in into the PayPal account, and I was not able to login to the PayPal account so I contacted him immediately after finding it out. (I tried to check the account because I used an exchange currency (BTC to PayPal) from a 3rd party on January 13th)
• After checking it out, all accounts he provided are now unable to login, password & email was changed.
• I am still able to access the mails without logging it in (It might be the session is still active).

Evidence of the Issue:

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What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution:
If possible, I would like to get the account back.
(Optional) Additional Information:
I didn't change any information on the accounts he provided, thinking that nothing could go wrong since only He and I had access to the accounts. It looks like that's not the case, I also don't constantly log in the PayPal account, But I do check the mails from the email provider (Outlook) every day.

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I will include all messages we had.
We also tried to resolve this issue, but I can't take it any longer. I created this dispute to find out what is the best thing we could do in this situation?.

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I'll add the image from another image host, I am unable to attach image more than 10,

 

[aw1212]

I have already provided all the required info except

• Proof that the business transaction began on BHW. A link to the conversation or post will suffice.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/paypal-digitalbank-accs.1462738/#post-15952720

• What you need from the accused to consider this resolved.

I'd like to get the account back if possible. If not, a replacement with the same feature of that I ordered.


Please do let me know if there's any info needed. Thank you.

 

[aw1212]

Here's some images that I no longer have access to those accounts:

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I have no access with hd*****@gmail.com, the email account was not included on the file he sent to me.

 

[AlwaysAlan]

Dispute Request Approved​

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[Digital_Hub]

Hello,
Summary of Dispute: She was really nice buyer to work with & still is. As buyer's said that on December 25th, she bought a business Paypal account which was provided smoothly with all information and he used it too. And after 29 days buyer back to me and claimed that his all login info changed and the buyer blamed me for that. The buyer thought i am responsible for that and she own a official replacement.



And on delivery time we provide some buyer instructions terms, cause in order to sell any online access or credential we always have to go through some terms. I am giving conversation screenshots and focusing on all the terms directly related to this issue:




Evidence of the Issue:
In the screenshot, i clearly mention that :
#Change email pass, recovery email, etc
#Do not change your PayPal pass for 24-48 hours

officially buyers have up to 48 hours guarantee/warranty from us for all the access. After that buyer need to change all the login info. No one is able to provide 29 days warranty for a sold online account especially when it money site like PayPal. When we sold an account buyer and me both had login access and anyone can change login info and that's why we have terms for account sale. As per terms, the buyer can't blame me! why should i change sold account info, even i don't know about it. And i informed the same things to the buyer

Still, I did inquire if i could do anything in that case, and as the buyer said it's hacked.

In starting as i said it was a very good buyer to work with, so i said to her that: don't be sad, i will give u an old account for free( which is currently not in stock). I am not selling it to you neither i am giving you a replacement. All i am giving it to you for no cost, cause you were a good buyer and i can understand u just bought it recently, u r sady too"

The buyer wants to create a shitlist and when ai am a seller always buyer priority and i just agreed



Hopefully, the buyer won't deny any of this i said above.

If need anything else from the conversation or any proof please let me know.

Thank you

 

[aw1212]

Hello @Digital_Hub,

As I stated before, it's only been 3 weeks since I still have access to the provided account. Not 29 days. And I didn't change any info since I though only you and I have access to it and no one else.
Another thing is, No, you were the one who said it was hacked. Please do check our messages.

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It is not impossible but to hack paypal, email & another email account is impossible.

The thing is, you're giving it for me for free?, that is pretty much a replacement on my side, and the value of it is atleast 10% of what I really paid for, I even lost $300 + (current balance) on the paypal account. I should have checked the account first before sending money to it.

That is why we're here right now, if @Mod do think that this is my fault for Trusting the seller and not changing the password or etc, then this dispute thread can be closed. I'll just take this as a lesson learned and buy from another seller and change the product's info after they gave it to me.

Thank you.

 

[Digital_Hub]

Hello @Digital_Hub,

As I stated before, it's only been 3 weeks since I still have access to the provided account. Not 29 days. And I didn't change any info since I though only you and I have access to it and no one else.
Another thing is, No, you were the one who said it was hacked. Please do check our messages.

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It is not impossible but to hack paypal, email & another email account is impossible.

The thing is, you're giving it for me for free?, that is pretty much a replacement on my side, and the value of it is atleast 10% of what I really paid for, I even lost $300 + (current balance) on the paypal account. I should have checked the account first before sending money to it.

That is why we're here right now, if @Mod do think that this is my fault for Trusting the seller and not changing the password or etc, then this dispute thread can be closed. I'll just take this as a lesson learned and buy from another seller and change the product's info after they gave it to me.

Thank you.

yes, i am saying this same mate, please try to understand the password guarantee applicable for 48 hours and I mention that clearly on delivery. i told you many times that i am not responsible according to my account selling terms with you and this never happens to me before with any buyer.
These 3 possibilities:
# Pass info could be changed by Me
# Pass info could be changed by You
# Pass info could be changed by any 3rd person who could be a hacker too. That's why i said it could be hacked.

I didn't it. I believe this any of the sellers will not give you a password guarantee for a near month. And once again we have clear terms too
for the timeline. We even don't look after delivering the account when the buyer confirmed he/she received the service smoothly. After you informed me about the issue we didt all this conversation in telegram.

Thanks

 

[aw1212]

yes, i am saying this same mate, please try to understand the password guarantee applicable for 48 hours and I mention that clearly on delivery. i told you many times that i am not responsible according to my account selling terms with you and this never happens to me before with any buyer.
These 3 possibilities:
# Pass info could be changed by Me
# Pass info could be changed by You
# Pass info could be changed by any 3rd person who could be a hacker too. That's why i said it could be hacked.

I didn't it. I believe this any of the sellers will not give you a password guarantee for a near month. And once again we have clear terms too
for the timeline. We even don't look after delivering the account when the buyer confirmed he/she received the service smoothly. After you informed me about the issue we didt all this conversation in telegram.

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Hello,

So basically, if the buyer didn't change the password for more than 2 days, you could change it? The hacker thing should be removed from the possibilities since it is impossible to be hacked. Come on.

That means on my side, only you is left, but since you said it wasn't you too (which I don't really believe). We're at an impasse right now, which is why I created this thread so we can have others' opinions on what's the best thing we could do in this situation. If this is my fault, I'll accept it and move on since I also don't have a piece of solid evidence that it was not me too. (except the browser's data that he sent to me that I've been using till now.. but it's not really solid evidence but can be used for investigation or I can send the virtual box data since I am running it on a virtual box

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[BassTrackerBoats]

I believe this any of the sellers will not give you a password guarantee for a near

Fix this for the accuser.

I don't care what the other sellers will offer or not.

Don't take money from the members here without backing up your product.

 

[Digital_Hub]

Fix this for the accuser.

I don't care what the other sellers will offer or not.

Don't take money from the members here without backing up your product.

Pardon my mistake but no buyer will allow me to backing up login access after selling the account to them, With backup, i can get login access back in the future. After they paid it's their property, and they change with their own info like password, recovery, phone etc especially when its a money site. Even the buyer informed me about the issue after 29 days of purchase. No buyer will allow me for holding their email pass for this long even if i do they will report me. I send terms too after on delivery time which i submitted above.

If Mod thinks i am guilty here I am happy with the Result.

Thanks

 

[Digital_Hub]

So basically, if the buyer didn't change the password for more than 2 days, you could change it? The hacker thing should be removed from the possibilities since it is impossible to be hacked. Come on.

Please try to understand, i said its terms. All online services come with terms as you know otherwise Marketplace doesn't allow us to offer products.
It never means that after 2 days i changed it, if i do this then you should see more shitlist here with me with other buyers.

 

[aw1212]

Pardon my mistake but no buyer will allow me to backing up login access after selling the account to them, With backup, i can get login access back in the future. After they paid it's their property, and they change with their own info like password, recovery, phone etc especially when its a money site. Even the buyer informed me about the issue after 29 days of purchase. No buyer will allow me for holding their email pass for this long even if i do they will report me. I send terms too after on delivery time which i submitted above.

If Mod thinks i am guilty here I am happy with the Result.

Thanks

Hello,

I do think you need to read my message again. I bought the product on the 25th of December, you provided it on the 27th of December, and I reported the issue to you on January 14th, 2023. That's pretty much simple math.

And I guess you can still recover the email address since you didn't provide the account of the recovery email (hd*****@gmail.com) on the file. And again, someone is still using the bank account.

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Is the account you provided actually owned by you?. I'm, not so sure anymore. The bank account uses yahoo mail, while Paypal uses outlook mail.

Please try to understand, i said its terms. All online services come with terms as you know otherwise Marketplace doesn't allow us to offer products.
It never means that after 2 days i changed it, if i do this then you should see more shitlist here with me with other buyers.

You are right, all online services don't just normally change their product info once it's been sold. That's why I didn't even bother changing it in the first place.

 

[Digital_Hub]

Hello,

I do think you need to read my message again. I bought the product on the 25th of December, you provided it on the 27th of December, and I reported the issue to you on January 14th, 2023. That's pretty much simple math.

And I guess you can still recover the email address since you didn't provide the account of the recovery email (hd*****@gmail.com) on the file. And again, someone is still using the bank account.

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Is the account you provided actually owned by you?. I'm, not so sure anymore. The bank account uses yahoo mail, while Paypal uses outlook mail.


You are right, all online services don't just normally change their product info once it's been sold. That's why I didn't even bother changing it in the first place.

Hello,
sorry, i did the wrong count of date. It's from 26 Dec to 14 Jan in my timezone.

We can use different mail for different purposes that never means i do not own this account. And I never faced it any buyer too. And you can't blame me for directly that i changed any info. And if the account was hacked by someone do u really think i have still access to anything? You know everything changed, cause you tried recovery first and then message me. Tell me mate will you allow your money site access to anyone? Until you inform me i even don't know about the issue and you directly blamed me here just because your thought i changed it when. No one will allow me on their money site after handover it over to them. I think we should wait for @Mod judgment.

 

[aw1212]

Hello,
sorry, i did the wrong count of date. It's from 26 Dec to 14 Jan in my timezone.

We can use different mail for different purposes that never means i do not own this account. And I never faced it any buyer too. And you can't blame me for directly that i changed any info. And if the account was hacked by someone do u really think i have still access to anything? You know everything changed, cause you tried recovery first and then message me. Tell me mate will you allow your money site access to anyone? Until you inform me i even don't know about the issue and you directly blamed me here just because your thought i changed it when. No one will allow me on their money site after handover it over to them. I think we should wait for @Mod judgment.

Hello,

That's right, so I have no idea where you get the 29 days before telling you or something.

We can use different mail for different purposes that never means i do not own this account.

What do you mean by this?.

I too never faced this issue before, never had anyone issues with any seller here. And it is kinda impossible for me not to blame you since you're the only one I know who has other access to those accounts that I bought from you. Right?

I don't really believe that those accounts were hacked. 3 accounts you provided were hacked at the same time is a kinda impossible thing to do. If you're still insisting that those were hacked I only have 1 possible way to get it done. By having access to the file you provided to me, which can be done by having remote access to my VirtualBox or yours. Which is pretty much an impossible thing to do for anyone else.

So now we both agree that we should ask for others' opinions as I suggested in the first place.

 

[Digital_Hub]

I too never faced this issue before, never had anyone issues with any seller here. And it is kinda impossible for me not to blame you since you're the only one I know who has other access to those accounts that I bought from you. Right?

Due to respect then should I say the same way you r saying that we both have the pass info and you changed it and blamed me? Did I say it for once? No, I even didn't think about it, I know it's not a valid point when I don't have any proof of it. But you are saying the same things to me without just proof. How do you know I did this? Can you prove it? And I send you the terms in the instructions that you have to change your info In Tg chat clearly.

Tell me to Mate after delivery 1 account login if I provide even 7 days password guarantee and within these 7 days if the buyer changed info his/herself and comes to me for a replacement do i have to do anything except give a replacement? No, I don't have that's why we have terms that come with a policy for selling products otherwise a lot of products can't be sold.

I am happy with any opinion and any result.

 

[aw1212]

Due to respect then should I say the same way you r saying that we both have the pass info and you changed it and blamed me? Did I say it for once? No, I even didn't think about it, I know it's not a valid point when I don't have any proof of it. But you are saying the same things to me without just proof. How do you know I did this? Can you prove it? And I send you the terms in the instructions that you have to change your info In Tg chat clearly.

Tell me to Mate after delivery 1 account login if I provide even 7 days password guarantee and within these 7 days if the buyer changed info his/herself and comes to me for a replacement do i have to do anything except give a replacement? No, I don't have that's why we have terms that come with a policy for selling products otherwise a lot of products can't be sold.

I am happy with any opinion and any result.

Hello,

As I said before that I didn't change anything on the accounts you provided, Which is my fault because I trusted you. And I do know because there's no one else. I didn't even know that you had staff working on you.
I even contacted the exchanger I used to cancel my exchange since I no longer have access to the PayPal account but they sent it anyway. Why would I add funds on the Paypal account that I no longer have access with?. If @Mod allows me to send the screenshot or browser's data to check our chats of me canceling the exchange (BTC to PayPal). I'm happy to do it. If not then I'll leave the rest to @Mod.

Thank you

 

[Digital_Hub]

Hello,
Look like we are repeating the same things in a different ways. i think we should wait for @Mod

Thanks

 

[aw1212]

I can't find a good account that is similar to the one I purchased from @Digital_Hub I bought 2 accounts from another provider but the funds keep going to on-hold. These accounts can't be used for my project, I am willing to pay another $500 and give the account back to me, I am wasting too much time and money because of this.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

I can't find a good account that is similar to the one I purchased from @Digital_Hub I bought 2 accounts from another provider but the funds keep going to on-hold. These accounts can't be used for my project, I am willing to pay another $500 and give the account back to me, I am wasting too much time and money because of this.

@Digital_Hub - this seems fair.

 

[Digital_Hub]

@Digital_Hub - this seems fair.

Thanks for the message. Based on the above conversation & reply we know I don't have the account the buyer talking about.

But due to respect for judgment, i can send another person or business account to the buyer when i get good account stock & i don't need any money for this.

All i will ensure is that before selling any old pp accs to any buyer in BHW first i will show @aw1212 & if the buyer like it i will handover it over to her.


The buyer was also aware that getting a good old PayPal account is not instant, before the buyer purchased from me I was also informed that it's hard to get an old PayPal.

I am innocent here & still trying to do my best. Hopefully, the buyer won't deny the deal.

Thank you