LostMyPants
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Great news! Hopefully, you follow the advice from @Scorpion Ghost and make your online hustle work even better.
PayPal banned me
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Blue Panda
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Well on Payoneer its like 2% to receive and also fees to convert from usd to eur. Both of it is free on paypal....
Im only doing fiverr. Not much else. Its a buyer account, which i used to buy stuff. Was fairly easy because they just collected it from my bank account later (All for free).
I will simply use revolut for that now....
Fiverr isnt that good. Many ppl wont pay 25$ for a coder and expect one to work for free.
I used payoneer as a business account and for private too, back when they were partnered with wirecard. I dont like it. And PayPal is 0% fees as a buyer (only when sending cash through paypal, which i never do).
PotatoWatts
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Same here, opened pp acc when under 18, but when I was 18 I reached out to them and let them know and they opened a new one for me without a problem
- Mar 22, 2013
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Oh my god bro, i lost respect for you now
Paypal has a higher conversion fee than Payoneer, but they HIDE IT FROM YOU! They give you a lower conversion rate than Payoneer does, and thats how they get you. And you dont even know about it.
How do you feel now to be fooled like that? To have the truth hidden from you by dickface paypal? No transparency.
Oh my god i cant believe you man...
Payoneer is also 0% as buyer. But Payoneer is also 0% or some funny amount as seller. But paypal rapes you in the fees if you receive payments.
And payoneer doesnt ban you by flipping a coin, paypal does.
You got it twisted bro im sorry.
- Mar 22, 2013
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Bro you know I love you, but I can't let you get away with your "G*y for paypal" propaganda
paypal son of a bitch thief cunt!
Payoneer beautiful loving heavenly love mwah <3
Never mind me, because I wasn't born yesterday. But noobs are gonna read your comments and believe it, and go on to hurt themselves economically, unnecessarily.
You said:
You prove it! Prove it, now, please!
How do you feel now? Having been tricked by paypal like that?
Blue Panda
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Its not free. Not even close.Oh my god bro, i lost respect for you now
Paypal has a higher conversion fee than Payoneer, but they HIDE IT FROM YOU! They give you a lower conversion rate than Payoneer does, and thats how they get you. And you dont even know about it.
How do you feel now to be fooled like that? To have the truth hidden from you by dickface paypal? No transparency.
Oh my god i cant believe you man...
Payoneer is also 0% as buyer. But Payoneer is also 0% or some funny amount as seller. But paypal rapes you in the fees if you receive payments.
And payoneer doesnt ban you by flipping a coin, paypal does.
You got it twisted bro im sorry.
But true, paypal actually gives a little less when converting. But on payoneer you cant even do that as they dont support euro or they dont pay to germany...
Tho their page say its like that:
However imo they both suck. Thats why i dont want to use any of this, only normal payments to my bank account with a invoice from me. Just the old way.
I also dont want to loose that 45$, means i will test it out with my last fiverr payout. Then i will withdraw everything.
Dont want to pay the 30$ for not using payo. I think thats not better than paypal in this regard...
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- Mar 22, 2013
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I don't know what it says there, I don't speak German. But I have used Payoneer for years to convert USD to EUR, and then get it out in cash using the Payoneer Mastercard. Works perfectly, every time.
"A little less"? So on $10,000 I get 9,668 euros on paypal, and I get 9,994 on Payoneer. That's 330 euro difference. On $100,000 it's 3,330 euro. Maybe for you 3,330 euros is a little bro, but for me it's a lot. My standards are lower than yours certainly.
It's not? No see, you've just been brainwashed because all you know is Fiverr, and they send you the money on paypal for free. But go out into the real world a little bit.
Here is the truth:
And Payoneer:
So you can talk your paypal-loving stuff all you want, but i'm not gonna let a company that fucks people in every which way it can get a positive comment here on BHW without hitting back.
I've given you proof. Payoneer is cheaper to convert between currencies, it's cheaper to receive money, and they're way less likely to ban you. Also, if you ever have to do a chargeback with Payoneer, you're gonna get an actual person to look into the situation objectively and fairly. On paypal, like they ban people, in the same way they deal with chargebacks - they flip a coin.
Honestly, go do some real business in the real world with paypal and payoneer, and then you'll know better.
For all the noobs and inexperienced guys who read this. You got your proof right there. I gave you screenshots and everything. DITCH FUCKING PAYPAL and use Payoneer and Transferwise and other alternatives. You'll get to keep more of your money, and you'll sleep better, I swear, and I promise
Blue Panda
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I would never do real business through paypal or payoneer. None of them.I don't know what it says there, I don't speak German. But I have used Payoneer for years to convert USD to EUR, and then get it out in cash using the Payoneer Mastercard. Works perfectly, every time.
"A little less"? So on $10,000 I get 9,668 euros on paypal, and I get 9,994 on Payoneer. That's 330 euro difference. On $100,000 it's 3,330 euro. Maybe for you 3,330 euros is a little bro, but for me it's a lot. My standards are lower than yours certainly.
It's not? No see, you've just been brainwashed because all you know is Fiverr, and they send you the money on paypal for free. But go out into the real world a little bit.
Here is the truth:
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And Payoneer:
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So you can talk your paypal-loving stuff all you want, but i'm not gonna let a company that fucks people in every which way it can get a positive comment here on BHW without hitting back.
I've given you proof. Payoneer is cheaper to convert between currencies, it's cheaper to receive money, and they're way less likely to ban you. Also, if you ever have to do a chargeback with Payoneer, you're gonna get an actual person to look into the situation objectively and fairly. On paypal, like they ban people, in the same way they deal with chargebacks - they flip a coin.
Honestly, go do some real business in the real world with paypal and payoneer, and then you'll know better.
For all the noobs and inexperienced guys who read this. You got your proof right there. I gave you screenshots and everything. DITCH FUCKING PAYPAL and use Payoneer and Transferwise and other alternatives. You'll get to keep more of your money, and you'll sleep better, I swear, and I promise
All my direct clients have to pay the invoice by bank transfer in Euro.
I also never said i love paypal lol. Those motherfuckers are not my friends at all.
But i say that payoneer isnt free and everyone can check the fees here: https://www.payoneer.com/about/fees/
The other thing is, it says its a commercial mastercard. I dont think i should use it for shopping private stuff. As said, i used paypal only for private stuff and the only exception was fiverr and actually one client but you can always send as friends&family.
- Mar 22, 2013
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Of course it's not free, they gotta make money too.
But Payoneer is infinitely better than paypal on every level.
The fees you're mentioning are a debit/credit card payment, and the sender has the option to pay the fee, or have the receiver pay the fee. And there are also small fees for bank transfers. But Payo-to-Payo balance payments are free.
what? paypal tells you via email you can open another account? can you paste the text or ss with this? from what I know if they ban you for any reason you can't create another account anymore.
- Mar 22, 2013
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I believe his case is specific.
He was under 18 when he opened his account, so they had to close that "illegal rule breaking account".
However, now he is over 18, and he can open a new account, and that account will be "legal".
In a way, it makes sense.
It's all bullshit though...
slippery_slider
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https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.paypal.comI've read stories of small and bigger businesses going bankrupt after paypal decided to indefinitely suspend their accounts without any reasoning and no ability to withdraw balance.
They also have their own "TOS" which is undisclosed to the public and if you disobey it, your account gets permanently banned and their reason when asked for is "sorry, we cant disclose the reason". Vast majority of innocent accounts get closed this way.
The takeaway from this is to read TOS and user agreement instead of blindly checking every box that pops up. I mean, you got what signed up for.
They also have their own "TOS" which is undisclosed to the public and if you disobey it, your account gets permanently banned and their reason when asked for is "sorry, we cant disclose the reason". Vast majority of innocent accounts get closed this way.
The takeaway from this is to read TOS and user agreement instead of blindly checking every box that pops up. I mean, you got what signed up for.
- Mar 22, 2013
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It may not even be what you signed up for initially.
They change that user agreement in 2 seconds and now new rules apply
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Same here, after 15+ years in many of many accounts of mine they have started asking for docs. I used to have two accounts (one linked to each of my bank accounts, for all this long).
I've passed the check-ups because I have my freelancer/company docs, but still, I know that many won't. I assume that if you have been receiving payments from any source, they start to inspect.
For example, I have received many considerable payments from Amazon FBA trials, this obviously may have raised their control systems up.
But I remember back in time when they claimed to be the "payment processor to send money among your friends for paying your bills". Now they have asked me for an invoice about that payment that a friend send me for a dinner we had like 1 year ago.
PayPal has become obnoxious. I've started using Binance payment processor for many of my online businesses, although many digital-oldies (40yr+) still want their payments fulfilled through PayPal (and it's funny the number of scams I have eaten through PayPal without many returns, their fees are 100% not justified).
For me, PP is a NO NO except for certain payments I cannot care less. I would not work on my main job for anyone who demands PayPal for payments.
I've passed the check-ups because I have my freelancer/company docs, but still, I know that many won't. I assume that if you have been receiving payments from any source, they start to inspect.
For example, I have received many considerable payments from Amazon FBA trials, this obviously may have raised their control systems up.
But I remember back in time when they claimed to be the "payment processor to send money among your friends for paying your bills". Now they have asked me for an invoice about that payment that a friend send me for a dinner we had like 1 year ago.
PayPal has become obnoxious. I've started using Binance payment processor for many of my online businesses, although many digital-oldies (40yr+) still want their payments fulfilled through PayPal (and it's funny the number of scams I have eaten through PayPal without many returns, their fees are 100% not justified).
For me, PP is a NO NO except for certain payments I cannot care less. I would not work on my main job for anyone who demands PayPal for payments.
- Mar 22, 2013
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I just want to say, I can understand everything. The high fees, the banning of accounts, the dishonest way they hide their fees (giving you a bad convertion rate on currency conversion, with you thinking they have no fee on that), the shit support, all of it I can understand and I don't even hate them for it.
But, they steal money. The thing that they do where they ban accounts and freeze money for 6 months, and then STEAL the money! That's where we become enemies. You can't do that. That's illegal, immoral, wrong! You're stealing somebody's labor from them! You're stealing somebody's time from them! You can't do that!
So I have to shit on paypal forever and ever now, because they STEAL money. They crossed that line. You NEVER cross that line.
But, they steal money. The thing that they do where they ban accounts and freeze money for 6 months, and then STEAL the money! That's where we become enemies. You can't do that. That's illegal, immoral, wrong! You're stealing somebody's labor from them! You're stealing somebody's time from them! You can't do that!
So I have to shit on paypal forever and ever now, because they STEAL money. They crossed that line. You NEVER cross that line.
Blue Panda
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Yes im allowed, with a new mail adress and a new bank account.
Im also enabled to cash out from the account.
I would paste it, but it is in german and im not sure if thats helpful.
Yes, but ofc thats bullshit. Because im 32 now. Its nonesense. Thats why i dont want to signup again.
As said, its not the first verification. And also not first trouble with gaypal. I wasnt able to use the account for years. I forget the acc and then i needed to paste the number of a expired vcc, which did already not exist. It took ages to get the account back. They wanted that vcc number so badly. After 5 years and probably thousands of calls, one employee did understand that its bullshit to ask for such an old expires vcc number....
Gaypal is a son of a bitch if it comes to support. They are stupid as fuck. I used Skrill for a long time. I just dont like skrill, because they dont even have a way to file a dispute. And after Microworkers scammed me, i dont use skrill anymore (short: ive send 16$ to microworkers to try it and get some social signals, they sinply took the cash and never gave it to my acc).
Maybe i should give payo a chance. I think i will.
I just dont want gaypal anymore. If i have trouble with a payment service, i wont use it anymore. Because it is about trust. I cant trust them now. After all i read and this stupid banning now... Same as i cant trust skrill...